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2mmFS 3D Printing - GWR Outside Framed Van (Part 2)


Ian Smith

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Well having completed my 3D artwork for the Van, I uploaded it to Shapeways. Disaster!!

 

Whether it is Google Sketchup, the export to an STL file, or me (probably the latter :scratchhead:) I don't know. In any event the uploaded file had several problems, it was a solid lump (rather than a nice hollow van), quite a bit of the detail had also disappered too (rivet detail on strapping plates).

 

A little dis-heartened, but still keen to try to produce this little van I decided to completely re-draw the whole thing. This time I have made the minimum measurement 0.15mm (rather than 0.1mm - 50% bigger), so the gaps between the planks are now 0.15mm with a depth of 0.2mm, the strapping plates are now 0.15mm thick too. Also to ensure that it is hollow when uploaded to Shapeways, I have only formed the roof profile on the ends (about the last 2mm of the roof) - I don't see this as a problem as I always intended to fit a roof overlay of either metal or plastic-card anyway.

 

The model as uploaded can be seen in the image below (a check on the uploaded .STL version reveals that this time it is hollow and all of the detail is intact.

 

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The only question now is what to have it printed in? Any idea what the difference between "White Detail", "Frosted Detail" and "Frosted Ultra Detail" is? If I chose a "Detail" rather than "Ultra Detail" material will the detail still be visible? Ideas ...?

 

Ian

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I would recommend that Frosted Ultra Detail is your friend here. The White Detail material is very coarse when compared and will struggle to print details below 0.3mm. Also the print depth of FUD is finer than either of the other two requiring less post printing clean up and smoothing.

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Another vote for 'Frosted Ultra Detail'... the saddle tank I showed you was made from it, it will make all the work with the rivets worth it!

 

Good luck with the mysterious world of printing, it will make more sense as you make more progress!

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Sorry to hear about the set-back, Ian, but impressed tht you redrew it all. Sometimes it seems that persistence is the most important skill a modeller needs.

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Sorry to hear about the set-back, Ian, but impressed tht you redrew it all. Sometimes it seems that persistence is the most important skill a modeller needs.

Mikkel,

In all honesty having to re-draw it was in the end beneficial - I had learnt a lot during the initial drawing, so with the benefit of experience the re-draw was much quicker and the end result is probably better. I've uploaded it onto Shapeways, and now need to wait until pay day to order some. I've also made it available to others and allowed downloads too so that if others would like one, or want to make improvements to my rendition they are free to do so (I'm not proud :-)).

 

 

how do you design something like that and get all the dimensions?

Rheneas,

I had a drawing of the van in "GWR Wagons" by Atkins, et al. This gave the general dimensions, obviously you have to take into account the thickness of the sides (I drew the ends to fit between the sides - hence the vertical line on the ends a mm or so inboard of the outside frame). A couple of photo's helps in the size positioning of the detail, some of the elements were re-drawn as they didn't quite look right. Even the positioning of the bolt heads were jiggled a bit so that they would go into the frames where it made sense (as originally drawn they would have been too close to the end of a framing piece to have been secure in a real wagon).

 

Ian

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For this particular prototype it's probably also worth consulting "A Pictorial Record of Great Western Wagons" by Jim Russell. The drawing isn't quite as useful (no details of the underframe), but the photograph (end view) is helpful.

 

David

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I have heard of company policies (I've yet to work somewhere that has a policy like this but some colleagues have) that require the re-creation of models from scratch once the design is approved. The idea is that you will make it better a subsequent time.

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I read somewhere that the CAD software gives options for thickness to print.

 

Waht 3-D drafting software do you use?

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Dazzler Fan,

 

I am currently using Google Sketch-Up. I don't know about "options for thickness to print", as effectively I am building up cuboid shapes to represent the side and end panels of the wagon which I then put slots in to represent the gaps between the planks . For this wagon, I made the slots 0.15mm high, with a depth of 0.2mm - the side panel I made 1mm thick. For subsequent wagons I will try making the side and end panels a little thinner (as the Cattle wagon and Brake van have visible insides).

 

Ian

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