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new year - new layout - new blog...


bcnPete

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:O....I wish he would just get on and finish something... :rolleyes:

 

Firstly, my plans for 2012 will prevail and I am still aiming to try and complete Kyle by the end of this month and spend most of this year back working on coombe junction - moorswater as I would like to make some progress again on my main layout.

 

This is an introduction of something that has been simmering for a while (since that 4CEP landed) and whilst I have started to collect some rolling stock to set aside, the layout is primarily aimed for the Burgess Hill Model Railway Club exhibition 2014, for which I have been pencilled in. On the Boxing Day inbound flight to the UK, armed with sketchbook and a G+T, many ideas were considered for a micro layout that could be both transportable and based upon a prototype.

 

A Wilko boxfile was snapped up as it was noted that the dimensions were slightly more generous then the Muji one I had used before. Once again, in this context, when I mean boxfile layout, rather than build it inside, my use of is for storage and travelling purposes.

 

I really wanted to try and use the 4CEP as having spent 15 years growing up amongst southern emu's and classes 33, 47 and 73, it seemed an interesting challenge.

 

Further to posting this thread last week, Chris (aka Eastwestdivide) posted a photo and suggested the idea of modelling the Bay platform of Paddock Wood with a few sidings in front.

 

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Photo by kind permission of Chris (Eastwestdivide)

 

This began to resonate nicely as I liked the idea (not unlike Kyle) of having a passenger train trundle back and forth, disturbed by a few freight shunting moves in front. As the thread gathered momentum discussing typical rolling stock of that period, I decided it would be a great little challenge. A chance to try and improve on my original KIAB layout and all its shortcomings.

 

So yesterday, to test the idea, I made a 'quick n dirty' mock up...which is best explained in pictures...

 

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The Wilko boxfile...the internal sprung hinge has been removed to maximise the opening space...

 

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Lid open and the two main scenic elements are stored within...

 

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And this time I will try and hinge the box to aid with track alignment and stability...

 

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Giving this as the track plan...station canopy modelled fairly crudely at present!...

 

 

Rather than try and shoehorn the fiddleyards into the same box (as I originally did with KIAB) it is likely I will purchase another Wilko boxfile, which should squeeze into my hand luggage...and leave enough room for my toothbrush... ;)

 

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The Fiddleyard sub bases packed in the boxfile...

 

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Once again, the undersides of these will cradle the rolling stock boxes, most likely lift out foam lined trays...

 

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Fiddleyards aligned against the scenic boards...

 

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Giving an overall of something like this...

 

 

And as much as I liked it...there was something missing. The ability to run through trains which could showcase some more rolling stock and generally add to the scene. But the width was a given, from the boxfile dimensions and I couldn't see a way to squeeze in without overcooking it.

 

Then, with a little lateral thinking...and a small twist to the idea, I realised that within the depth of the base I could have a hinged flap for a single track the otherside of the bay platform, which can still be ballasted and detailed and folds up to meet the platform face. This would then allow trains to run through or stop as per necessary.

 

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The additional track to the otherside of the bay platform in place...

 

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Which is actually hinged within the depth and widths of the available space...

 

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And once elevated, is supported on retractable runners beneath...

 

 

And now, the layout began to become more interesting, it was time to tackle the backscene...which this time I have decided to go for the 'letterbox view' and keep a single linear front fascia, which is hinged and stored in the box on top of the fiddleyard/stock trays.

 

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The fascia is unpacked and ready for positioning along the front...

 

The final layout is just under 2 metres in length (allowing for 600mm fiddleyards at either end) and gives something like this....

 

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a with a nod to Chris's original photograph...

 

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Finally, all the components laid out upon the table. Fiddleyards will need further design development (to allow for the extra width) and I was considering using some of the IKEA strip lighting I used on my diorama comp entry.

 

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I am quite excited about it, but having now made the model and proof tested the idea, it will now develop in a series of sketches to test various ideas, whilst I continue to assemble rolling stock and get back to my other planned commitments for 2012.

 

I hope you find this of interest and I should like to thank Chris (Eastwestdivide) for his initial photo/research/information and indeed to all the others who have kindly contributed to the prototype thread, which I hope will continue...

 

Pete

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Blimey Pete! scribbling on a pad in flight is one thing... but this is really quite amazing... in such a short space of time you've produced something outstanding! 2014 you say... you sure it won't be ready for May 12th 2012.

I wish my in flight scribblings were this productive

Really amazing these architect types... aren't they ..!

Superb!!!!

J

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I feel that there should be a user name change coming up bcnpete multiplelayoutpete.

 

Nice idea.

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Clever design work Pete - you really are a master of 3-D thinking. I can imagine you would do well on "The Krypton Factor" ;)

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Like the idea, Pete.

 

You'll be another one looking for a 21st century Class 33 in N. . .

 

David

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Very, very clever design ideas. Does the corrugated cardboard conduct electricity? And where's the water?

 

Good luck with it

 

Ian

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....I wish he would just get on and finish something..

 

Me too :biggrin:

 

If you viewed it from the other side it has a hint of The Bay at Farthing in a more recent setting.

 

I'll look forward to more of whatever you're producing - it rarely fails to be of interest.

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Hi Pete.

 

That's a really neat solution to the through line problem!

 

You're also not helping my already weakend resistance to buying one of those CEPs!

 

Looking forward to watching this develop.

 

Tom.

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This takes the back of a beer mat to a new level! Is there no involvement of a well known Swedish store in this one?

Like all your layouts I look forward to seeing it progress - if it's anything like the mock up it'll be great.

How very generous of Farish/Dapol/etc to keep inspiring us with new stuff!

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Give the carboard a coat of shellac or something to seal it lay the track and you could be on the scenic's tomorrow. Great design work.

Don

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Thanks for the credits. It was just an idle moment when you asked the original question.

 

Like the idea of cardboard layouts - saves all that tedious detail work. Just fill in the details in your head, which we all do to a certain extent anyway.

Watch this space for more prototype photos, when I get time to rummage and send them on.

If you haven't got room for the entire 30+ wagons of the Allington ARC hoppers, you could have just one detached as a cripple. Would have to be loaded though, as the empties went back via Strood.

 

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Hi Pete

 

What a great idea. Original too. I have a 4mm CEP and haven't yet built a layout for it and wonder how your pack away layout would scale up to accommodate. There's a load of mileage in a design like this - just imagine, we'd be able to pack away a layout when going on holiday. Although I'm not sure what the other half would think! They'll be selling this in IKEA one day!!!

 

I love the way you've designed it and done the cardboard mock up. Usually, I just trundle on with a build and make alterations etc along the way, but this is a much more sensible approach. Perhaps a detailed blog on your thoughts about layout design and build in the future?

 

Good show in the competition by the way.

 

Regards

 

Mike

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Many thanks to you all for your interest in this new project.

 

In more detail...

 

Blimey Pete! scribbling on a pad in flight is one thing... but this is really quite amazing... in such a short space of time you've produced something outstanding! 2014 you say... you sure it won't be ready for May 12th 2012.I wish my in flight scribblings were this productiveReally amazing these architect types... aren't they ..!Superb!!!!J

 

Thanks Jon...It's the Gin Tonic at 35,000ft that gets the mind spinning! Hope you are pleased to see some 'familiar' motive power on this...

 

I feel that there should be a user name change coming up bcnpete multiplelayoutpete. Nice idea.

 

Thanks Kris...or perhaps multipleunfinishedlayoutpete... ;)

 

 

Looking forward to another well documented micro layout, should be a winner Pete :good:

 

Thanks also Bryn...With over two years to produce it, for sure it's going to be recorded on here...warts n all!...

 

 

Very impressed by your ingenuity and vision, and suitably inspired I might add.

 

Many thanks for your kind comments Ian...

 

 

Clever design work Pete - you really are a master of 3-D thinking. I can imagine you would do well on "The Krypton Factor" ;)

 

Thanks Rich...The only thing I remember about that programme was the last activity where they always had to assemble a load of blocks into the shape of a big K...there's another idea for Kyle... ;)

 

Very impressed Pete, looks to be something fantastic in the making.Graham.

 

Many thanks Graham...

 

 

Like the idea, Pete.You'll be another one looking for a 21st century Class 33 in N. . .David

 

Thanks also David...Yes the Farish is just a place holder...need to get hold of a couple of Dapol 73's now...

 

 

Very, very clever design ideas. Does the corrugated cardboard conduct electricity? And where's the water?Good luck with itIan

 

Many thanks Ian...Believe it or not the cardboard does conduct electricity...hence no water on this project... :P

 

 

Me too :biggrin:If you viewed it from the other side it has a hint of The Bay at Farthing in a more recent setting. I'll look forward to more of whatever you're producing - it rarely fails to be of interest.

 

Thanks Rich for your kind comments too - Did wonder whether to spin it 180...but then its quite nice to leave the odd wagon/loco parked in front and then have a little busy activity going on behind...a sort of layering if you like...PS...I finished the diorama competition...well, just missing the balustrade to the viaduct actually ;)

 

 

Hi Pete. That's a really neat solution to the through line problem! You're also not helping my already weakend resistance to buying one of those CEPs! Looking forward to watching this develop. Tom.

 

Hey Tom - Thanks also - The 4CEP really is a nice model...can you justify one of the ones that has been preserved perhaps?...

 

 

This takes the back of a beer mat to a new level! Is there no involvement of a well known Swedish store in this one?Like all your layouts I look forward to seeing it progress - if it's anything like the mock up it'll be great. How very generous of Farish/Dapol/etc to keep inspiring us with new stuff!

 

Tom, hi - Thanks also...and I confirm that nothing from IKEA has been harmed in the process to date on this...but there's still 2 years to go!...

 

 

Give the carboard a coat of shellac or something to seal it lay the track and you could be on the scenic's tomorrow. Great design work.Don

 

Thanks also Don...Nice idea but this one I am thinking a nice wooden base for as weight isn't an issue with hand luggage and the main problem with KIAB was that the card/foamboard twisted in the middle slightly affecting alignment...now sorted with a large hammer!...

 

 

Thanks for the credits. It was just an idle moment when you asked the original question.Like the idea of cardboard layouts - saves all that tedious detail work. Just fill in the details in your head, which we all do to a certain extent anyway.Watch this space for more prototype photos, when I get time to rummage and send them on.If you haven't got room for the entire 30+ wagons of the Allington ARC hoppers, you could have just one detached as a cripple. Would have to be loaded though, as the empties went back via Strood.TTFNEWD

 

Thanks Chris...Had to get out my copies of Dan Brown novels to decipher your code...but got it now!

 

Thanks for all your help to date. More photos would be great, thanks. I like the idea of a domino headcode 47 passing through the platform on a long rake of ARC PGA's...just need to see how many I can fit in 600mm now!...

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OOh nice! As always, your mock-ups are superb Pete. Not to mention the actual modelling that follows. It really is neat, so don't loose that part of your nickname.

 

As for bay platforms, it would be fun to have challenge centered on those at some point. I've got a ton of them I'd like to build. They lend themselves so well to small layouts.

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Hi PeteWhat a great idea. Original too. I have a 4mm CEP and haven't yet built a layout for it and wonder how your pack away layout would scale up to accommodate. There's a load of mileage in a design like this - just imagine, we'd be able to pack away a layout when going on holiday. Although I'm not sure what the other half would think! They'll be selling this in IKEA one day!!!I love the way you've designed it and done the cardboard mock up. Usually, I just trundle on with a build and make alterations etc along the way, but this is a much more sensible approach. Perhaps a detailed blog on your thoughts about layout design and build in the future? Good show in the competition by the way.RegardsMike

 

Mike, hi

 

Many thanks for your comments - Please excuse me...I wasn't ignoring you...but when I set about the replies earlier, your comment was not there...and I only just noticed it nestled in when I saw the list of Blog visitors :O

 

The mock ups normally come about after a few sketches and being as they are 100% sustainable (this one an old box from Christmas pressies) they are fairly easy to adapt and not be too precious about. I will now go back to more sketching of ideas and details and possibly make a more refined mock up in white card (as I did with KIAB) with more detail too flush out any anticipated problems. I guess its come from the way I work in my profession really, going between sketches and models to develop the design.

 

A 00 version sound interesting...perhaps for checked in luggage though rather than hand luggage ;)

 

OOh nice! As always, your mock-ups are superb Pete. Not to mention the actual modelling that follows. It really is neat, so don't loose that part of your nickname.As for bay platforms, it would be fun to have challenge centered on those at some point. I've got a ton of them I'd like to build. They lend themselves so well to small layouts.

 

Many thanks Mikkel - Am a big admirer of your work as you know and I hadn't thought of the similarity of the bay platform until Rich mentioned it above...perhaps as you say, the bay platform could be the next RMWeb challenge...although I think I will sit the next one out...

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Hey Tom - Thanks also - The 4CEP really is a nice model...can you justify one of the ones that has been preserved perhaps?

 

Hi Pete.

 

Unfortunately the closest thing to the CEP that made it on to MHR rails is the Class 205 Hampshire Unit, and I did set myself the rule that I’d only run (buy!) things have appeared on the line. However, I have been giving some thought to my first jump into full 2mm scale, and I'm leaning more and more towards a setting that could quite easily justify one!

 

Tom.

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That's a huge layout given the size of the boxfiles! The engineering of it all looks very cunning - will you be using card, foamboard, timber, plastic or some combo thereof?

 

Should make a lovely home for the 4-CEP.

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Hi Pete,

I have followed your blogs for almost a year now and your blog is how I came across this amazing community of modellers.

Love your new project and, as I currently live in west Sussex, look forward to seeing this latest one at burgess hill in 2014.

Best regards,

Jeremy

 

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However, I have been giving some thought to my first jump into full 2mm scale, and I'm leaning more and more towards a setting that could quite easily justify one!

 

Go on Tom...you know you want to!...

 

That's a huge layout given the size of the boxfiles! The engineering of it all looks very cunning - will you be using card, foamboard, timber, plastic or some combo thereof?Should make a lovely home for the 4-CEP.

 

Many thanks Will - This time I will make a timber base using softwood strip and hardboard and hinge them together. I originally tried that in card and foamboard but there was too much play so I would like to try and improve on that. Perhaps even the backscenes/letterbox will be in hardboard too as weight not an issue, and all makes for a sturdier construction. Am due to upload some more sketches soon to show my recent thoughts on development.

 

I think the 4CEP will be the star of the show so if it just sits in the bay platform within a simple backdrop I hope it will look at home...

 

Hi Pete,I have followed your blogs for almost a year now and your blog is how I came across this amazing community of modellers.Love your new project and, as I currently live in west Sussex, look forward to seeing this latest one at burgess hill in 2014.

 

Jeremy - Many thanks for this - That's really nice to hear that...as you say, a very nice community of modellers on here...without it, I think I would not have taken up modelling again.

Please come and say hello at the 2014 show...I will try to go this year too so will drop you a note before if I am attending it...it's a smallish show, but always nice quality...

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Let me know the date and I'll pop over. Will you be showing one of your layouts?

 

Hi Jeremy - Ok, will do.

 

If its 2012, then I am an observer...2014 I am an exhibitor...but that may be nudging towards 2013... :O

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Hi Pete.

An intriguing solution and well rendered as ever.

2014 seems a long time ahead though I know it will come quickly.

Look forward to seeing this develop.

Chris

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An intriguing solution and well rendered as ever.2014 seems a long time ahead though I know it will come quickly.Look forward to seeing this develop.

 

Thanks Chris...Conceived in 2011 (just), Originally planned for 2014, now considering 2013...and its already 2012... ;)

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