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The Locomotive shop - Dean Goods 2322 part 2

drduncan

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While continuing to work on the loco and tender chassis I have started compling the list of modifications that will have to be made to the body for it to represent 2322. As a reult I have been diggin around for information on the Dean Goods. The first point to note is that there were two different widths of footplate. Before 2450 they were narrow, after 2451 they were wider. Having run a ruler over the martin Finney drawings it looks like there is a scale 3 inch difference between wide and narrow, or put it another way only 0.5mm difference on each side. Whether this is enough to make a difference to me I'll have to have a think....

 

The first major difference to my eye is the arrnagement of the cylinder covers at the front end.

 

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This is an unusual arrangement and has caused me to post a question about it on the GWR rolling stock: model and prototype thread:

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/92972-dean-goods-locos/

 

I will also have to replace the front footplate step:

 

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Replace the curved reverser included in the High level Kit with a scrtahc build version of the earlier straight version.

 

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Also does anyone know what the sloping pipe that can be seen on the boiler side is for?

 

The chimney will have to be replaced with a parallel sided version.

 

The smoke box door will also have to be replaced with something that loos like this:

 

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(its not a picture of 2322 but shows the front more clearly than the almost broadside image I have of 2322.)

 

The pipework cover on the left side of the smoke box will also have to be removed and replaced with a single pipe.

 

The final possible modification is to the spectacle plate as there were two different versions, one with a much higher top curve than the one on the Mainline/Hornby model

 

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Any info about this higher curved version of the belpaire spectacle plate or more references for pictures of 2322 will be most warmly received!

 

Anyway this list of mods, some involving quite a bit of work might cause me to look afresh for apre 1914 wide footplate belapired boiler Dean Goods to model - any suggestions for a suitable prototype?

 

drduncan

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garethashenden

Where did you get the pictures?

 

Isn't there a list of re-boiler dates somewhere? Can't you look through and find another number? Or is that too much like the day job?

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drduncan

Hi Gareth

The pictures are from locomotives illustrated 55 and 157 (off the top of my head so dont quote me) and Clements book on wiliam dean and the dean goods (good images but problems with text and captions).

 

The picture of the early smokebox door is a likely candidate as it is i think 2512 so ticks many of the boxes but watch this space

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Brassey

I too am building 2322 with the B4 belpaire.  There were many pre 1914 Belpaire Dean Goods with the wider footplate.  I guess it depends on whether you can source a photograph and the numberplates as to which you want to build.  The RCTS volume lists the boiler change dates.  I think 2322 got the B4 in 1901 but some were still being outshopped with the roundtop S4 boilers in 1912.  I have one of these to build too.  I am using the parts mainly from a Finney kit to make both versions.  Peter

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drduncan

Dear Peter,

My apologies for not replying sooner to your post. How is your build going? Any pictures or construction notes you can share?

drduncan

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