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Joined Up Thinking


richbrummitt

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A lack of posts over the last few weeks has been down to a lack of progress worth sharing. I've spent quite some time trying to get a system of operating the TOUs going over and over the options, trying and failing and re-thinking.

 

Initially I used wires linked directly from the switches to the TOUs and when these were removed in favour of the lever frame I intended to use some kind of mechanical system and installed a crank arrangement to lead out from the frame.

 

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Servo arms were drilled out and mounted on telescoping brass tubing. This was connected to different control rod systems. The first wire in tube system from Model Signal Engineering was, in my opinion, very poor. There was a lot of clearance in the tube and a large input movement would be required to have any useful output movement once the slack is taken. This is worsened by every curve required. Sadly the movement from the lever frame and crank arrangement is not very large and although by not nearly the same margin the problem was found to exist in higher quality systems marketed as model aircraft control rods.

 

I had a brief interlude considering servos based on some ideas I found on rmweb3

 

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The servo is stripped of it's control and microswitches with diodes are used to create the end stops. Although they would be cheaper than point motors there would be a lot of fabrication required that I don't have time for and I hadn't figured out how it would be possible to incorporate much, if any adjustment so I did what I should probably have done from the outset; dug deep and bought point slow motion motors.

 

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I went for cobalts because they are slow motion with a long springy actuation and a smaller footprint. I still had to cut them up a bit to fit them in where needed in this baseboard construction that, whilst it seemed like a good idea at the time, I continue to regret.

 

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The thing keeps consuming wire. I've moved the rest of the control to the front of the layout too. It should be possible to see from the photographs that the switches for the uncoupling magnets that I intend to need one day are recessed into the front.

 

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I had to have a good chop about to create access to fit the microswitches in the lever frames. This was not fun. What was worse was that initially I wired them up like am SPDT toggle but the common on a microswitch is not in the middle and so this didn't work. It took me a while to realise why the readings on the multi-tester did not make any sense. I had to unsolder and resolder the connections in these little apertures.

 

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Don't worry: I can hide the mess behind a facia covering of appropriate coloured mount board.

 

 

It still didn't work. I checked the fuse and there wasn't one. When fitted I found that it worked and what's more I wired the first motor up the right way around first guess :good: The feed is half wave AC provided by using diodes on the connections to the microswitches to avoid adding a further power supply to the layout. This winding on the transformer is shared with the electromagnets, but the power requirements for the point motors is not high and I think there will be enough juice to go around.

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  • RMweb Gold

Hey Rich - good to see progress.

 

Isn't the latest MSE w-i-t using plastic tube? Assume you were referring to the brass system?

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Great to see all the internal bits coming together

 

(trying to think of the right technical phrase, but could only think of 'gubbins'..)

 

There is something about the construction of your boards (not just the servos) that does bring to mind a sturdily built large model aircraft, I keep expecting you to iron on some fabric covering, take it to a field on a blustery day and fly it!

 

Do you have a background in model aircraft as well? Pardon my curiousity...!

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Good to see your perseverance Rich! I'm sure that you will get through the difficult uphill stuff soon. I'm hoping that the same is true for me - I seem to be making more backwards progress than forwards for the past couple of days.

 

Regards, Andy

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Hey Rich - good to see progress.

Isn't the latest MSE w-i-t using plastic tube? Assume you were referring to the brass system?

Thanks Pete. This is the plastic stuff with nickel silver wire in.

 

There is something about the construction of your boards (not just the servos) that does bring to mind a sturdily built large model aircraft, I keep expecting you to iron on some fabric covering, take it to a field on a blustery day and fly it!

 

Do you have a background in model aircraft as well? Pardon my curiousity...!

No problem will. I 'borrowed' the idea for the baseboards from someone. No doubt it was not originally their idea either. They are still light and seem stiff enough. I plan to cover the front with a king of skin with grass matting and other detail on such that it can be lifted to get into the workings. As much as it is a pain to work things out this way it could be just as frustrating trying to do all this laid on my back underneath thing although it would make the scenic considerations easier.

 

I've played r/c boats and cars but planes never appealed: I built a glider once (Keil Kraft Cadet) and when I finally got it up in the air it subsequently smashed to pieces when it came down rather than land. After putting weeks into building it I didn't have the mind to repair it or build another one.

 

Good to see your perseverance Rich! I'm sure that you will get through the difficult uphill stuff soon. I'm hoping that the same is true for me - I seem to be making more backwards progress than forwards for the past couple of days.

Ah yes. I know exactly how you feel. Hopefully I'll see some results at the weekend.
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  • RMweb Gold

I have had similar problems before. A system of linkages connected to a switch failed because the loss in the system took up all the throw of the switch the point blades only twitched. I found the Tortoise motors such a relief after that I have stuck with them. I used pos and neg half cycles and fed each motor via a bi-polar led which gave a visual indication of the way the turnout was switched. You wont need it with your lever frame but useful if you did'nt have the frame.

Anyway glad to see you have got there in the end.

Don

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