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Prototype Revealed

Posted by Kenton , 08 October 2009 · 1,308 views

reference 0-4-0 allocation North British Judith Edge Kit
OK - Perhaps it is time to expose the prototype Posted Image

The prototype is the North British MAN 225hp 0-4-0DH
Specifically the third batch D2745-D2780 that were introduced from January 1960.

Yes. It is another kit from the Judith Edge range. Michael Edge has previously started a thread on RMWeb discussing the early development of the kit. This has now been released as two kits one for the second batch (D2720-D2744, June 58 - April 1959) and one for the third batch (D2745-D2780, January 1960 - March 1961).

The differences between the first batch (11708-11719, D2708-D2719, August 1957 - November 1957) and the later two batches were fairly significant (weight, height, length, wheel base, wheel size, tractive effort, max speed, brake force and fuel tank capacity) so it is understandable why the kits cover the second two batches.

Sticking to information about D2745-D2780:
They were ordered by BR specifically for the Scottish Region being delivered in sequence as sub-batches to the sheds: St. Margrets, East field, Parkhead, Dawlston, Grangemouth, Polmont and Bathgate. D2745, D2746 and D2750 strayed as far as Dundee in 1966; D2750 was in Kittybrewster in 1963; D2776 and D2778 were transferred to Grangemouth in 1966 to replace D2774 which had been sent to Eastfield; but otherwise they remained and were withdrawn pretty well where they were first allocated.

An excellent source of information, drawings and photographs, as always on shunters, is The Diesel Shunter by Colin J Marsden (OPC/Ian Allen) ISBN 0 86093 579 5 pp120-123. In there, are good photographs of D2754, D2755, D2758 and D2760. There are also photographs of D2709, D2711 & D2718 from the first batch and D2723 from the second batch which illustrate the differences in appearance between the batches.

The fate for most of these was the cutters torch, however, a few were sold off for use in industry (eg. NCB South Wales). Unfortunately I have no details of which ones and can find no photographs of them during this period.

D2767 and D2774 have survived. Initially preserved at the East Lancashire Railway both have since returned to Scotland; D2767 at Bo'ness & Kinneil Railway and D2774 on the Strathspey Railway.

Web searches for photographs has turned up only a few in pre-preservation era. This one of D2745 at Edinburgh Haymarket, 7th July 1960 by Alan Curtis, is possibly the most interesting as it confirms that this loco took part in the wasp stripe experimentation. Note the stripes here are inverted and probably the white/black type. This is surprising, as I thought that this experimentation had concluded in the adopted form by the end of 1957. It is noted in the above reference that 3 other members of the first batch (D2709 photo) took part in this experiment.

The first batch were all delivered in BR black livery with the number below the cab window and the Lion over Wheel logo on the engine compartment side. The following two batches (and first batch on renumbering) were all delivered in BR Standard Green with the Lion over Crown above the number on the cab sides. It is also reported that when delivered in the green livery they all supported the adopted wasp stripes. Though we see, above, that this was initially not the case at least with D2745.


Photographic Source References: (Book and Internet)
1. D2754 at St Margarets on 11th June 1960 (J P Cornish) in The Diesel Shunter by Colin J Marsden (OPC/Ian Allen) ISBN 0 86093 579 5 p122.
2. D2755 at Dalry Road on 11th May 1960 (Norman E Preedy) in The Diesel Shunter by Colin J Marsden (OPC/Ian Allen) ISBN 0 86093 579 5 p123.
3. D2758 at Glasgow Eastfield on 19 June 1960 (Gavin Morrison) in The Diesel Shunter by Colin J Marsden (OPC/Ian Allen) ISBN 0 86093 579 5 p123.
4. D2760 unspecified location and date (CJM collection) in The Diesel Shunter by Colin J Marsden (OPC/Ian Allen) ISBN 0 86093 579 5 p122.
5. D2745 at Edinburgh Haymarket on 7th July 1960 (Alan Curtis).
6. D2771 at Parkhead on 15th July 1965 (Bill Wright).
7. D2774 at Celynen South Colliery, S. Wales in Industrial Railways in Colour: South Wales by Adrian Booth (Irwell Press) ISBN 1 90326 651 3 p54.
8. D2774 at Celynen South Colliery, S. Wales on 12th June 1983 in Industrial Railways in Colour: South Wales: Vol 2 by Michael Poulter (Irwell Press) ISBN 1 90326 663 7 p46.
9. D2749 at Granton on 10 May 1965 (Castlerahan)


Allocation History:
The build and withdrawal dates along with the shed allocations are given on this web page.


Any further information on these locos, especially photographic or of their industrial use, would be most welcome. I will try to keep the references on this page updated.

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Miss Prism
Oct 14 2009 13:38
Sorry Kenton. Posted a comment here, but it was on the wrong part of your blog. Please delete.

Kenton, have you seen Barkingbill's shot on Flickr here: http://www.flickr.co...ill/2127672728/
I haven't read through the Judith Edge/oldRMWeb link to see if it's linked from there.
D2774 was at Celynen South Colliery in S. Wales and there is a good broadside shot of it in Irwell Press's 'Industrial Railways in Colour: South Wales", p. 54. Unusually for that sort of colour album there are lots of excellent views of industrial diesels as well as the usual decrepit (and otherwise) steam.

Adam
Thanks Adam,
I will also add that to the list. I must seek out a copy for my own library.

Is it showing as re-liveried in NCB or otherwise? Also, is there a date given?
Mmmmm VERY tasty beastie :icon_thumbsup2:
Interesting information as well here - enlightening...
Reliveried, but still green (a sort of bluish mid green) with diagonal stripes running top right to bottom left as to face it on the radiator front (in the same green) but not the sides. I'll double check as regards lettering detail, date and so on when I get home.

It also clearly had another, later repaint because when it entered preservation it looked like this:

http://preservedshun...c0aefa6fa59dbe0

More photos of D2774 here:

http://preservedshun...=101&loco=D2774

and of the other preserved example here:

http://preservedshun...=101&loco=D2767

Adam
Thanks Adam. I was limiting my reference list to "in service" rather than "in preservation". I have some considerable reservations about loco photographs take "in preservation" as all to often changes are made that are not really relevant to history - like colours and painted faces ;) - for example that first link shows it painted blue Posted Image
True enough - D2774 is illustrated as it left service (ok, dumped), by the NCB - think there's another photo of it in this 'livery' (but in better nick) in the Booth book. A bona fide part of its working life. Shunters tend not to have too much done to them however (beyond possibly being piped for vacuum brake), in preservation as they are very rarely expected to haul passengers. I agree, the rail blue is a bit odd...

Adam
In passing, looking for something else altogether, I came across this shot of D2749. Note the back and white edging to the buffer beam - nice NB touch that.

http://www.scot-rail...to/scaled/3062/

There's another shot of D2774 in the second volume of Industrial Railways in Colour: South Wales (Michael Poulter), p. 46 in the same sky blue as in the web link.

Adam
Thanks Adam,
Having acquired a copy of the second volume of Industrial Railways in Colour: South Wales (Michael Poulter), I can confirm the photo on p46 and is an interesting livery, though a pity it is side on. It does look very run down by that date.

I am having some problem with the above in correlating the works numbers for the class. The caption for that photo indicates that the one in front with w/n 28027 was removed for preservation in September 1986.

A nice find for that scot-rail image as well so I have added it to the list above.
Oh I don't know, byt the standards of most of the diesels in that book, they're positively sparkling!
It is the same loco and livery as the first link I located (which was D2774, wks no. 28027) but with some touch-ups with red oxide primer:

http://preservedshun...c0aefa6fa59dbe0

Can't help with the works numbers however.

Adam
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luckymucklebackit
Jan 10 2010 20:13
I don't think that the allocation history tells the full tale, many Eastfield Locomotives were stabled at Kipps (65E) during their life, there is a photograph in "Scottish Region Colour Album" by George C O'Hara that shows about five of them stabled there in October 1961.

Jim Howie

I don't think that the allocation history tells the full tale, many Eastfield Locomotives were stabled at Kipps (65E) during their life, there is a photograph in "Scottish Region Colour Album" by George C O'Hara that shows about five of them stabled there in October 1961.

Jim Howie

Thanks Jim.
The allocation history is really only "offical" allocations. There may have well been local reallocation to other sheds due to local requirements/space/use. Though have to say five seems quite a lot in one go. That would be an interesting photo - can you list the numbers ? Meanwhile, I will seek out copy of the book as it sounds as if it is worth adding to the library.

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