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P4 Class 55 "Deltic" conversion: Fuel tanks - part 2 - P4 Deltic Pt 13


Jon020

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Well... I did miss the members’ day today – I hope it went well for all! I did manage to get my two boys up to the Bluebell railway... and that was quite nice; what they’ve now done at Sheffield Park is good... an improvement, and we had a nice run with the Std 4 and a 6 coach train... and the E4 with the metro set (looking very smart). Only disappointment was the response I got when I bought a copy of Bradford Barton Diesels in action 4 at the Bulleid shop... when they said that they don’t dare mention diesels at the Bluebell – they're not accepted. Well.... I’m sorry, and I know that everyone is entitled to their own opinion... but I suspect that they are missing out on a whole sector of enthusiasts (and their money)... but that’s their choice – personally, I’d love to see something other than coal burners steam engines all day (as fantastic as they are)... I think the other railways have a better (more pragmatic) approach. Shame that. ‘twas still a nice day though... and it is a lovely line and well worth the visit every time. The boys were happy as they came home with a OO second hand coach each – for their trains... and very reasonable these were too. So, I missed Stafford, but the day wasn’t anywhere near a total loss.

 

Now... to the reason for this entry..... This is probably the final part of the initial “modelling†bit; the daunting task of painting the loco can probably now no longer be avoided... and I’ll have to find a time slot when I can get this started.

 

The last month or so has been spent working the fuel tanks... and this is a pt2 to my previous blog entry. Firstly, given that the depth of the fuel tanks was now more evident, I bulked these up a bit by adding some appropriately shaped plasticard strips on the inside... which once painted should give the appearance of the tanks sitting under the body. These couldn’t go too far in as I was leaving space for the speaker... but if no speaker was required, these areas could be fully built up. To allow the speaker to sit snugly (between the new plasticard fuel tank packers, I constructed a small rectangular frame that would occupy the remaining space in the void and “pin†the speaker to the other end... plasticard strips cut to shape and braced in the corners... with one end containing a cut out to accommodate the speaker wires... as shown in one of the final photos.

 

Then additional details were added... working in all cases to reference photos. I’ve added a few of mine to a thread on the Class 55 group page. I’ve linked to Brian Daniels flickr pages for the same... and Brian Hanson has agreed to let me post his deltic detail pictures on my flickr site... at least until he re-homes his from his fotopic site- but I’m only doing the Deltic ones – none of the others (there were quite a few!). Hopefully I’ll get around to doing this later in the week... for anyone interested. Again, there will be a link on the class 55 group page (when I’ve done it).

 

Tank details: I added tank end pipes using 0.4 and 0.6mm brass wire with pastic end fittings. Some of these were attached at the lower ends to bent brackets made from thinned spare etch fret – glued in place. The upper ends of the pipes were pushed through drilled holes, drilled at an appropriate angle to support the wire in the right direction. Having now done all of this, there isn’t much room left between these and the bogies, once fitted, to take the sanding pipes... but photos show these pushed out to the sides, so it should be ok... at least those gaping voids are now filled.

 

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Between the tanks, pipe ends were added in a similar manner – holes drilled in to take the pipes, and a flange added to the upper (moulded) valve. As the body of the speaker is visible here, I added some wires to represent pipes to this too. These are not particularly accurate, buit they’re not recessed enough – they can’t be to accommodate the speaker (a compromise)but once painted they will add variety to the otherwise bland surface and break it up a bit.

 

The steam pipes were a bit of a fiddle. Manufactured from 1.0mm brass wire(and they’ll need painting white) - PLEASE IGNORE THE 0.6MM REF ON THE PHOTO - I REMEMBERED WRONG WHEN EDITING THIS - THEY ARE 1MM. I drilled a hole at the ends of the under side, just before it angles up.... and angled these holes at about 45 degrees to allow the pipes to bend up into them. The pipes are a continuous run on each side – but (from left to right) as it runs towards the centre of the two tanks it dips down out of sight (generally) and reappears near the right hand end of the right tank – so it can be made in two pieces... glued and secured at one end and behind the remaining tank brackets and then dropping from sight (cut off) after about 2†in length. The other end is shorter (about 1â€) and runs similarly... same for both sides. I hope the photos show this. A continuous run would be more accurate but it’s be difficult to fit (I think it’s be a real fiddle!) and there might not be space for the speaker. I’m happy with the end result.

 

Fuel tank gauges. Brian Hanson kindly sent me some old test etches he had for these. I drilled out the existing gauges... using a variety of drills and burr bits... to approximately a 5mm diameter hole. Then I attached at thin slither of 5mm plastic tube, thinned and then burred/sanded to leave the faintest of “lips†to this hole (weld seem)... then using a 3mm dia rod of about 1.3mm long, dropped this into... and stuck the gauge etch on top – to try to get the gauge flush. Some of the photos are a bit crude – and one clearly looks non-centric... but is looks reasonable in the flesh and I think that once painted it’ll be fine. These improve the look of the tanks no end

 

I’d replaced the fuel vent/fillers on the tanks with small rod sections, and corrected these on the “gauged tank†on the B side – I think it’s the B side – the side viewed with No. 1 end to the left... the tank at the no. 1 end – the vent covers are in the middle on all tanks (middle of 4 covers) on all but this one – it was a mod associated with decommissioning of the water tank – and increasing fuel capacity that was introduced in the early 1970s. So once I’d corrected these, I then used 0.3mm wire to represent the vent pipes on the right hand tanks (viewed from the side)... and again, once painted these should look ok.

 

Finally, to get the riveted look to the bottom of the tanks, I bought some of the Archer 3D transfers “rivets†to add to the tanks. These don’t adhere to plastic surfaces (apparently), so I’ll add these to a thin coat of primer once it’s been applied.

 

The intent here is to recognise that the Shawplan etches do wonders to the deltic’s body... and to not try to mimic this on the underframe would be ... well, I want to say a crime... but I know that Brain’s working on that area for the future – so, what I’ve set out to do is frame what can be done with the etches... with some balance... let’s hope that with a little paint I succeed.

 

On the painting bit – the article on painting the JLTRT Class 26 in this month’s MR suggested that to prevent paint bleed, spray some gloss varnish on once the areas are masked - this was done after application of the masking tape to the yellow areas prior to blue paint spraying. I’ve not heard of this idea before, and I can see the advantages. Does anyone else have any comments (pros/cons) or problems with this method... ‘cause otherwise I might give it a try. I did note that several coats of yellow were needed to get the correct effect – I plan to apply some white primer over the (Halfords) grey on the nose ends before spraying the yellow... which I thought was the better option. Any thoughts anyone?

 

Nearly all the photos are at the end of the entry this time - I hope they make sense.

 

As for the day's end... both boys now asleep - so a day out with the trains achieved one result at least... and the house is now quiet B)... a well earned beer is called for :drink_mini:

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OK... I'll post an update. This morning it was sunny, warm with little wind. After a walk in the reserve out back when my boys spent some time chasing grasshoppers - they were very vocal this morning in the meadows (the grasshopeers, not the boys... well, actually!) , the boys were watching some TV... so.... I got the primers out. I cleaned the bodywork with a little white spirit on a cloth to degrease and set aside to dry... then attacked the bufferbeams, chassis and bogie frames... with some Halfords red primer... onto which I will apply some black later - will go for a matt finish here... with just a little brown mixed in. The primer has givem a good base to the pastic and brass and nickel silver components (fingers crossed).

The body then got a coat of Halfords grey primer. I was a little nervous about this having spent months working the body... but the end result looks ok. When I'm back from Germany later this week I will give this a gentle rub down and re-coat a couple of areas.... and then, eventually, apply some white primer (railmatch) to the front via airbrush. What this has done is again unify everything... and the shape is now far more obviously better than before. The cab bulkheads have also been given a grey misting - they'll get a lighter coat of grey later on before adding details.

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Jon - wonderful attention to detail - in some ways I wish I'd progressed my Class 66 project alongside yours as I expect it would have pushed me to include more detail but hey ho...

 

I look forward to seeing some photos of it in primer!

 

The Members Day was a good turnout, some good layouts. Personally though, this year I missed the chance to meet a few more people - but that's just a reflection really I think of me spending less time on the forum these days. Had a good chat with Marc Smith, and watched a few of the layouts in operation, watching how things were done. Widnes seemed to be having quite a few issues mind - not sure if this was just usual setup issues, as they'd only setup that morning or if there was more of an issue. Great attention to detail though, the signalling is exquisite.

 

Anyhow - better get on :)

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Fabulous stuff, not a diesel fan, but I do admire the lengths some folk goto to get it just about spot on. Looking forward to seeing some more photos.

 

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Mike

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Jon, top work as usual.

 

Looking at the zoom in on the fuel tanks and then the last photo, without a doubt this has been thoroughly worthwhile in pursuing - As Mike says, hats off for sticking with it, even if at times you may have questioned it :blink:

 

I look forward to see the paint job and whilst I was a tad disappointed not to see a sneak preview in your update of the initial undercoats, I look forward to the more detailed report tracking it when you are ready to share it.

 

Inspiring...

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Dear James, thanks for the comments. I think if you have a chance, once the garden layout is up and running, a winter return to that 66 may be warranted... it might give you something to focus on away from all that big scale stuff... although I suspect you've plenty to still be getting on with there. I'd love to see a detailed 66 coming out of the Paxton Rd workbench.

 

Mike... thanks. I just hope that the final result gives the overall look that I'm aiming for.

 

Pete, hi... and thanks. I did try to grab a couple of shots of the primed body, but my camera phone doesn't "do" close up... and I had limited time before SWMBO arrived home with friends after weekend away... and I had to resort to barbeque duty. I'm off east this afternoon - but I'll try and grab some shots once back in the UK....

 

If there is anyone that has any comments about overspraying masking tape with varnish to prevent paint bleed... please add some thoughts. Otherwise, I'll try to pose the same question on an appropriate thread.

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Hi Jon,

 

Looking great mate, good to see you have pushed on with this project I think you will find it's all been well worth while. I honestly think you will have the best 4mm Deltic out there. I know you were thinking about the roof grilles but I think that the Bachmann molding is pretty good plus adding an etch that big could be too noticable, if that makes sence.

 

Can't help with the painting tip, do you have a wagon or spare loco body that you could practice with.

I find that I have to be in the right mood for painting a loco, even when it comes to weathering. My class 40 was waiting to be weathered for nearly a year before I felt like doing it.

 

Look forwards to seeing what your next loco project is going to be.

 

Cheers Peter.

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Dear Peter, you are so kind. I'm not sure it'll be the best Deltic... I'd not want to try to step up to that mark... and I'll leave that to Brain to fullfil in time... but hopefully, it'll look ok. The painting tasks are looming and threatening. I must try not to b@@ger it up now.

I do have a couple of spare parcel coach bodies already primed ready for practicing... and yes, i'll try the masking/varnish on these first - thanks for remiinding me that that's what I'd planned to do.:wink_mini:

Yes, there is a need to be in the mood... hopefully, it'll grab me when I'm not busy working, DIYing... or Dad'ing.

 

Now, tonight, I tried some careful rubbing down of the body that had a coat of Halfords grey primer. One or two areas will need patching, and a data plate fell off - glued back on... these were masked prior to priming so that I could leave these partially unpainted if I wanted to later - depending on the period I finally depict - I think they ended up overpainted from the mid 70s... but Brian's etches are nice, and it'd be a shame to loose the text.

Next... er, there's a 47, 37, 08 and 50 waiting... oh, and several other 55s... but I'll try one of the other types before starting another 55 (gawd I need a break :crazy_mini:.

Now.. lets see if these photos load

 

Right - 3rd attempt. I can put the photos in when on edit... but they disappear when I "save changes":cry:. Not only that... but all the text that follows them disappears too... so here goes. again.... oh, and I'll just add links this time.

Right... the images (when you see them) show that I've sanded some of the primer down (2000 grade paper) to get a better top-coat finish (advice from Ian Rathbone at EMExpo) whilst areas that can be left non-shiny (dirty areas) can be left less rubbed down - and will be coated with some weathering effects.

So far... and I reaslise that there's a long long way to go.. but I'm quite happy with the effect so far.

 

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Loving the tank details Jon, iv just started hacking the tanks (and my finger!)about with mine in hope to add as much detail as i dare as yours. As for the painting, all i can really add is take your time and try stay as calm and relaxed as possiblemstakes always creep in when your rushing or stressed! I usually use railmatch aerosols for my locos, bit of a lazy way but i thnk its easier and less fuss than using an air brush and the finish can look (i think) really good with 3 to 4 light coats built up.

Anyway keep up the good work and im sure once you get into the painting its no where near as daunting as you think (and with your skill and attention to detail i reckon youll be a natural in no time)!

Thanks for sharing, keep up the inspirational work.

James

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HI Jon,

 

the varnish over the masking tape is well know in the miliatry and aviation world of modelling. I have yet to try it my self. so will be intreasted to hear your results.

 

It may be worth googling the process just to see what come up on the subject.

 

cheers

Simon

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James, thanks.... good luck with the tanks... I'll just add that I've just been adding rivet details using resin transfers.... half done so far. :blink: Necessary medicinal beer now flowing down throat.

as for painting, I do have a pair of coach bodies to practice on... just need to make sure I can flood the surface enough - may drop pressure from compressor - shame it hasn't got a gauge (guess work).... I'll take it one step at a time.

Simon.... I will.. thats a good idea. I'll practice first too

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