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P4 Class 55 "Deltic" Conversion - project back on track! P4 Deltic Pt 17


Jon020

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Since my last entry, there has been some work completed. The loco body was eventually stripped with Modelstrip, which was far easier and kinder that the results achieved on one GUV using Superstrip... which I won’t be using again.

The photo shows the results on the two GUVs, one (upper) stripped in super strip, the other in Modelstrip.

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The other photo shows the 55 “modelstrip’d”. One etch (an exhaust) was found in the bowl... and some others needed a little sticking back down, but generally it went well.

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The Extreme Etchings parts are more robust that I’d imagined. Those bufferbeam footsteps take a lot of hammering and knocking and they’re still holding fast... well done Brian!

SO.... a big thank you to all of you who contributed comments to my last blog entry; I was a little low... and you bucked me up; which was at least a few letters of the alphabet away from how I was originally feeling. THANK YOU.

After a little careful rubbing with 2000 grade paper, I applied two light coats of Halfords grey and Railmatch primer white to the ends... which is where she’s at now.

 

Hopefully, I’ll get some daylight time at home in the next few days (the shorter evenings now are a nuisance) and get some yellow onto the ends... and then (after a few days drying) start the blue again. Fingers crossed, and GUVs ready to be practiced on again!

 

Whilst all that’s been settling, I turned my attention to the chassis/bogies, to add some more of the details needed there – although the final length of speedo cable from the body will come in after painting.

The modifications included fitting 0.2mm wire pieces to enable the brake chains to be attached at the bogie, near the cylinders. This is a different method to before given that this time I used the Hornby 50 cylinders... but hopefully the end result will look ok. I also added small 0.25 wire hoops under the brake “hangers” to allow the fitting of elastic “sanding pipes”. To get these to droop at the right angle, I also added a small piece of microstrip just inboard of the hoop... and the result looks ok.

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The elastic is the inner core of sheering (?) elastic from a fabric shop... that needs the outer (2) layers of fabric (Cotton?) unwinding... leaving this thin elastic inner which is suitable here.

Early on in this project, I acquired some access to 55022 to photograph the points that the sanding pipes (used to) attach to on the body underside. Whilst I will not be representing the inner end hopper in any detail, the positioning is something I’ve tried to show... and I drilled 8 0.55mm holes in the plastic chassis to take these “pipes”.

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About 35mm of elastic is used on each point, to allow enough material to sit inside the chassis and not fall out. Looking at the trial fit, the outer ends ones will need some persuading to sit out a bit – so that they protrude behind the bufferbeam steps as they should on an ETS equipped loco – but a touch of “glue” should help this.

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Apologies for the bent airbrake train pipe hangers – they need straightening and I didn’t notice when I took the photos.

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Finally, here’s the chassis with all bits fitted... and now safely stored in its “really useful box”... complete with bass reflex speaker cable coiled on top... should I fit a Loksound V4.0 at some point.

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Well done Jon - am happy to see this back on the blog again.

 

Some very nice detailing again on the bogies...I am guessing once finished, this Deltic won't be thrashing around on your sons layout!

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Huzzah! Glad to see you've bitten the bullet and got back to it, and that the modelstrip worked so well. The in-primer shot shows an excellent finish and all the detail is still there.

 

The use of elastic for sandpipes is intriguing. I've fallen foul of the class 60 ones a couple of times (they're a springy engineering plastic and are so close to the wheel treads that if the bogies have any sag they clip pointwork) and have ended up trimming them back. Maybe I can look at replacing them. Presumably the elastic just deflects if it encounters an obstacle?

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NIce to see everything back on track Jon (pardon the pun!) bogies are looking exquisite, might have to revisit mine now........

Ill try get some pics of mine up at the weekend, progress is a bit slow this week what with a bit of bother at work and other assorted stuff getting in the way, i still cant get over the attention to detail you get crammed in to to every nook and cranny, i love to admire but never seem to get it right on mine!

 

Just waiting for my sound unit to drop through the door to go with the speaker, although its a long way off from finished a test run will be in order, cant wait.

 

Good to see another post so soon, Hope all goes well with painting round 2.

 

All the best

James

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Well done Jon - am happy to see this back on the blog again. Some very nice detailing again on the bogies...I am guessing once finished, this Deltic won't be thrashing around on your sons layout!

Pete, thanks! work progressing slowly as wanted to get my boys layout further than before - and now has powered upper level... so less time working on this project. And no, my Nimbus will not be negotiating 2nd radius curves - look boys the wheels don't fit - a good excuse for P4 if ever I heard one ;-)

 

Huzzah! Glad to see you've bitten the bullet and got back to it, and that the modelstrip worked so well. The in-primer shot shows an excellent finish and all the detail is still there. The use of elastic for sandpipes is intriguing. I've fallen foul of the class 60 ones a couple of times (they're a springy engineering plastic and are so close to the wheel treads that if the bogies have any sag they clip pointwork) and have ended up trimming them back. Maybe I can look at replacing them. Presumably the elastic just deflects if it encounters an obstacle?

I'm hoping that this is what the elastic will do - the Hornby ones on the 60 (and 31 I think) are much finer and more accurate, but I didn't see how to model these accurately for this project. The use of elastic came origianlly from Jon S (43179) who did this to a 37 he detailed a while back.. and it looks ok from a distance, and should look better once weathered (I hope)

 

NIce to see everything back on track Jon (pardon the pun!) bogies are looking exquisite, might have to revisit mine now........ Ill try get some pics of mine up at the weekend, progress is a bit slow this week what with a bit of bother at work and other assorted stuff getting in the way, i still cant get over the attention to detail you get crammed in to to every nook and cranny, i love to admire but never seem to get it right on mine! Just waiting for my sound unit to drop through the door to go with the speaker, although its a long way off from finished a test run will be in order, cant wait. Good to see another post so soon, Hope all goes well with painting round 2. All the best James

Thanks James... I'm hoping that the paint will go better this time - but I'll be sticking with railmatch this time (lesson learnt) - I suppose I can at least work with paint stripper now ;-) another new skill tackled! I did wonder about buying some railmatch aerosoles.... but i think that I'll stick with my airbrush and see how it goes.

Thanks for the detail comments - I think that this just goes to show what you really can achieve, and whilst the basic model isn't at all bad... if you want to get down and photo-realistic, then there is still quite a bit left for the modeller in you to tinker with. So.. thanks go to Brian Hanson for producing the fine etch parts that have gone into this project... and to RMWeb as a whole for giving me the ideas and inspiration on how to do all the other bits... As for the level of detail, please remember that I've been working this since last October (too long!) although it shouldn't take that long...I'm quite looking forward to finishing this... although there is a lot of "finishing" to do (mostly little jobs) but I hope it'll be worth it eventually. Then I need to build up a small P4 photoplank to display it. I have the Bachmann single road servcing shed sat in its box that I will include... possibly with 2 or 4 tracks as I did (3) before in OO... so that it can be sat in a realistic surrounds. I may consider pointwork... but in P4 that's always going to be another step that I'll have to climb.. and it might just wait until I've recovered from the loco project here. I'm quite looking forward to the other projects I have to turn to, which include an old Bach 37 (split headcode Blue 37038) and Domino Blue 47... and a blue 50 (No. 13). I susepct that I might be able to use the other pair of ultrascale P4 (class 55) wheels in my 37.. so that might sway decision that way.. although the 47 already has a sound chip fitted... and that makes for some more fun - flush glazing to play with next me thinks.

Anyway... thanks all for your comments, and thanks too to the wider (reading) audience.

Jon

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HI Jon,

Glad it all went ok, and you didn't have too many bits to stick back on. Best of luck with round two I am sure it will be ok this time.

The extra work on the chassis is superb I really need to do some sanding pipes on a class 37 and hadn't thought of useing elastic, I have used it on some DMU speedo cables in the past so will still have some laying around. I used elastic from an old bungi cord ( think thats what you call'em). Looking forwards to the next loco what do you think you will do next?

 

Cheers Peter.

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Thanks Peter. Well, tonight (thanks to a medical appt) I got home earlier than usual... and had some time after dinner, and after washing up... :angel: to get out to do some airbrushing. It was a nice evening - been warm all day - nice walk in sunshine at lunchtime, down by the river and railway... shame there's so much noise from the A23 and Airport! Evening sounds nice out there - it also sounds like the Shoreham Harvard is giving someone a pleasure flight - quite an unmistakable sounds as it goes over!

Anyway - enough rambling.... this time, I used a much thinner mix and lowered the pressure a little... and made sure that after a dusting coat, I applied "enough" paint. The results are ok. One end seems to have picked up a small piece of detritus (hair?) but I'll leave that until it dries... and on the same end around the headcode brackets, there is a little white showing... so a light recoat once cleaned up should suffice... but the finish with the thinner paint and lower pressure is, er, smooth. Which is good - maybe I'm learning.

I did consider using elastic from a bungie cord... but when I started to take the ones I had apart (and looked at news ones) the inners were square cross section and quite big - no use at all. In fact Brian Hanson suggested this to me... but I'm going to stick with Jon S's suggestion, which I think looks fine - one real of this stuff will last a lifetime - if only it was easier to unravel.

 

There was an image here - but I've edited this text and now really can't get the image back. This always bugs me!

 

Deltic with some colour again

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Fantastic to read this blog post Jon - excellent news and I wish you good luck with the respray. The underframe detailing is truly exquisitite - you've pushed the boundaries for me on this one. Good job!

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Fantastic to read this blog post Jon - excellent news and I wish you good luck with the respray. The underframe detailing is truly exquisitite - you've pushed the boundaries for me on this one. Good job!

 

Thanks James. It's been a bit of a voyage of discovery for me... thankfully some of the lessons seem to have been learnt and correct action is now being taken. Fingers crossed on the blue.

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Hi John,

Well done for biting the bullet,I know the 2nd spray job,will do the fantastic job you've done on it so far justice!As it is my favourite class of loco I am hoping you will be building a ECML layout of some sort soon

Regards

Dave

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