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GWR 1854 Saddle Tank (2)

Posted by Mikkel , in Locos, Construction 12 October 2016 · 989 views

GWR 1854 class saddle tank 8750 class pregrouping

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My GWR 1854 ST is now done. To recap, this is a much modified Finecast body on a Bachmann chassis.



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My original plan was to find an acrylic spray paint that gave a suitable representation of the pre-1928 green. When that failed, I was recommended the Belton bottle green which has the RAL code used for landrover green. However, while this and some of the others looked fine outside in the sun, they all looked wrong under my layout lights.



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So in the end I reverted to good old brush painting. Not my best effort but I can live with it.



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Lining is HMRS Pressfix. I never use the preprinted shapes as they rarely fit. Instead I cut out individual bits and piece them together.



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I know some people do not like Pressfix. Personally I feel that it gives good flexibility and leaves no traces of film.



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The number plates are from Narrow Planet. You enter the number you need on their website and receive the plates pre-painted. We have it easy these days. No. 1853 is for a future model of an 1813 class.



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I was going to fit a cab sheet, but on the photos I have of 1854s none actually have a cab sheet, so unless further evidence turns up I’ll leave it off. The fire irons are the Springside set for tank locos.



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Incidentally, I saw this nice fire irons fret by DJM on Mark’s blog, and ordered some from Kernow. They turned out to be a bit too long for this particular loco, but will find use on my 3232 class.



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So here she is messing about on the new layout. In my defence, there is progress at the other end of it!

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I couldn't find those fire irons Mikkel, can I have a link please. Superb modelling btw.

Excellent Mikkel!  I think the green looks spot on.  Did you use Railmatch enamel or is it from the Precision range?  I use a cocktail of the two brands on my 7mm stock, the Precision is a little dark for my taste but it covers really well.

 

The red wagons really compliment the Indian red frames on the loco, a lovely assortment of freight stock. I particularly like the curved ended wagon, I need to find a 7mm version of one of those! :-)

 

Looking forward to seeing No 1853

 

Best wishes

 

Dave

A lovely looking loco now she is finished Mikkel, especially with those red wagons behind.

 

It just makes me realise how much work I still have ahead of me yet, ah well I'll get there eventually.

 

It sounds as if you need to invest in an airbrush too, it does make life a lot easier and I remember my first one, a cheap Humbrol one powered by a compressor from an old Dentists drill, things have moved on a bit since though.

 

Jim

A lovely piece of modelling Mikkel.  The finish on the loco has a nice patina and depth.  I wonder if there's a paint in the Revell or Tamiya range that would work for pre-1928 GWR green in a spray can?

 

Stephen at NP always provides an excellent service and the plates are good value.  My Dukedog is to receive a set eventually.

 

Agree with Dave about the red wagons complementing the loco nicely.

 

You've reminded me to order some more DJM fire irons as well. 

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

Fine work as ever, Mikkel - and makes me hanker after a similar saddle tank.

 

Coincidentally I've been fitting some Narrow Planet plates myself tonight. As you say, we really do have it easy.

I couldn't find those fire irons Mikkel, can I have a link please. Superb modelling btw.

 

Hi Rob, they are here: http://www.kernowmod...-Accessory-Pack

 

Beware that there is a 2mm Dapol version too, which many traders have. Kernow seem to be the only ones that have the 4mm one.

 

 

Excellent Mikkel!  I think the green looks spot on.  Did you use Railmatch enamel or is it from the Precision range?  I use a cocktail of the two brands on my 7mm stock, the Precision is a little dark for my taste but it covers really well.

 

The red wagons really compliment the Indian red frames on the loco, a lovely assortment of freight stock. I particularly like the curved ended wagon, I need to find a 7mm version of one of those! :-)

 

Looking forward to seeing No 1853

 

Best wishes

 

Dave

 

Thanks Dave, I mixed up my own green from standard colours - the same as on my 517 class. I'm glad you like the shade of green. The whole issue of how different kinds of interior lighting affects the look of model liveries isn't much discussed. Maybe I should do some experiments.

 

The round ended 3-plankers are also one of my favourites. I'll be interested to know if there is a 7mm version. Another option could be to build new ends for the Coopercraft 3-planker kit. You have built one of those, so I take it that kit is acceptable?

 

 

A lovely looking loco now she is finished Mikkel, especially with those red wagons behind.

 

It just makes me realise how much work I still have ahead of me yet, ah well I'll get there eventually.

 

It sounds as if you need to invest in an airbrush too, it does make life a lot easier and I remember my first one, a cheap Humbrol one powered by a compressor from an old Dentists drill, things have moved on a bit since though.

 

Jim

 

Thanks Jim, yes I am definetely warming to the idea of an airbrush. Spray cans have helped me get some experience in spraying but I am realizing their limitations. A couple of those pictured above had truly awful nozzles (especially the "Gold" type which seems to be all the rage among grafitti artists).

 

I look forward to seeing trains running on Hemyock, but meanwhile the landscaping you are doing is extraordinary!

A lovely piece of modelling Mikkel.  The finish on the loco has a nice patina and depth.  I wonder if there's a paint in the Revell or Tamiya range that would work for pre-1928 GWR green in a spray can?

 

Stephen at NP always provides an excellent service and the plates are good value.  My Dukedog is to receive a set eventually.

 

Agree with Dave about the red wagons complementing the loco nicely.

 

You've reminded me to order some more DJM fire irons as well. 

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

 

Hi Mark, I did have a look at the Revell and Tamiya ranges and a couple of the Tamiya greens were on my list. But then I lost my patience :-)

 

Glad you like the red wagons. Seeing them together with the loco and its red wheels etc made me wonder whether I should surrender to logic and paint the "underframes" of my wagons red too...

 

 

Fine work as ever, Mikkel - and makes me hanker after a similar saddle tank.

 

Coincidentally I've been fitting some Narrow Planet plates myself tonight. As you say, we really do have it easy.

 

Hi Al, thanks very much. A saddle tank would look great on your layout, crossing the river on the summer module. Or a Welsh one to go with your Rhymney vans!

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nick_bastable
Oct 13 2016 10:04

excellent work as always

 

Nick

Hard to imagine the time when shunting engines looked as smart as this.  That last photo made me think it might have strayed to 'Little Point' :)

excellent work as always

 

Nick

 

Thanks Nick, it took a while but was an enjoyable project. I'm sure Bachmann will bring one out in RTR now!

 

 

Hard to imagine the time when shunting engines looked as smart as this.  That last photo made me think it might have strayed to 'Little Point' :)

 

Ha, yes I see what you mean Mike. Little Point is one of my big favourites on here, but even so I really need to get the ground cover coloured... 

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Job's Modelling
Oct 14 2016 12:04

Excellent work. I think to give them some personality they need some weathering. Martin Welch has discribed very good in his book "the Art of Weathering".

Hi Job. Ah yes, I am a bit ambivalent about weathering my stock. The locos I think were mostly very clean during my era.

 

For the goods stock the picture is a little less clear. I do actually weather the wagons, but only with a bit of light dry-brushing, followed by light powder from above, and some darker grey from below.  I also try to use slightly different shades of red in the first place.

 

I could go further, especially if the theory is correct that GWR red weathered to grey - but I am reluctant to take that extra step as long as our knowledge on that point is limited.

Excellent work. Look forward to the next project. Drduncan

Thanks Duncan. In locomotive terms the next project will be either 2021 ST that we've discussed - if I can see any way forward with it - or the 1813 T.

Nearly wrote this the last time I was here but did not, and it may be completely spurious.  I read somewhere, and it must have been pre BR who never cleaned anything, that express locos were cleaned daily, secondary passenger, twice a week, and goods locos once a week.  That could have been relating to between the wars when wages were relatively higher though.  If however, a loco only had one driver, (is there a thread on that or have I read about how the practise was discontinued elsewhere?) then they would have taken a pride in keeping it clean.

Hi Chris, that's interesting, hadn't heard about those cleaning schedules before and how they differ for loco classes. This is where my ignorance comes in though, as I don't have a clear picture of how a goods loco looks when it hasn't been cleaned for a week?

 

On the drivers, I know the LBSCR had dedicated footplate staff, but I can't actually remember what the GWR did there. I think they stopped that practice fairly early?

I read an article, I think, unless it was in a book, about the practise of drivers having their own engine, but I cannot remember when I read it or what in.  I have had a quick look in my magazines that I have and cannot find it.  However, it was dying out if not almost completely gone by 1905, so maybe not important.

 

A loco that has not been cleaned for a week, I would think a light to medium weathering, just not pristine.  Then there are stories of goods trains being held in a lay by siding all day, not from the GWR of course, where the only thing the crew had to do was clean their engine.

Thanks for that info Chris. As my layouts are (normally!) set somewhere between 1900-1914, the info on drivers having their own engines is certainly relevant for me.

 

Light to medium weathering sounds good to me. I will experiment with some powders.

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brian777999
Dec 20 2016 11:19

Where did you get the curved end wagons kits or are they scratch built ? What does your brake van look like on that train ?

Hi Brian, the curved end wagon is a three-planker from one of David Geen's whitemetal kits. I described the build here:

http://www.rmweb.co....pen-in-gwr-red/

 

His website hasn't been touched for ages but he does still respond to mail order. There's a new e-mail for him here: http://www.rmweb.co....of-future-kits/

 

The brake van in my case would be this one (scratchbuilt second-hand item, but there was a kit by D&S once, hard to get but sometimes appears on ebay):

 

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It seems that GWR brake vans were painted grey before the wagons. Atkins, Beard & Tourrett state: "a light red colour had been adopted for the wagon stock with white lettering, but the goods brakes were grey." 

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