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An intriguing post, Ray. The white roof may be royal, but in my view it does look a lot better without it!

 

The bee's wax is interesting. Here's someone who has taken it all the way! http://www.martinatnewton.com/page21.htm

Hello Mikkel

 

Where do you find these links? 

 

We have to say that it seems to have taken the subject too far

I found it while searching for bee's wax, inspired by your post. He seems to be enjoying it. Putting in a motor and powering it might not work very well though!

I think it might have been going up the wrong line - looks like Royal Scot not Flying Scot!

 

.... He seems to be enjoying it....

We have got the hens now but we are still thinking about bees,

 

Regards

 

Ray

Great stuff, Ray, as always. I think the white roof was a "Statford Special" and  not limited to Brit 0. Your comments on 70004 are helpful in that I have photo circa '63 with the old emblem and one  circa '62

with the later emblem.

I can give you a list, if you requre, of all the brits with handrails on the deflectors.

Hello Alan

 

Thank you for the support.

 

I have already provided links to Derek Dean's research which I have tried to cross check with other people's pictures.  Derek makes a lot of a picture of 70004 with Early Emblem and overhead power plates, but no speedometer which he says is dated 1961.

....Your comments on 70004 are helpful in that I have photo circa '63 with the old emblem and one  circa '62

with the later emblem.

I can give you a list, if you require, of all the brits with handrails on the deflectors.

As to Britannias with handrails Derek has the following. 

 

3. SMOKE DEFLECTOR MOD. We will look at four categories in this section: 1. Original type - 16 engines were not changed; 2. LMR type 1 - 25 engines received this modification; 3. LMR type 2 - 5 locos were so treated, and finally 4. WR type - 9 engines received this design.Original type - those that were basically maintained at Crewe Works, and included Nos. 70004, 70014, 70021, 70031, 70032, 70033, 70042, 70043, 70045, 70046, 70047, 70048, 70049, 70050, 70051 & 70052 (total 16). Of note, that although No 70021 was on the WR for 7 years, she was not changed in any way, and No 70042 was allocated to GE section for almost 5 years, yet it wasn't altered at all. The handrails on the smoke deflectors were sometimes referred to as 'the dangerous handrails' by engine crews in direct reference to the decision made to remove them on safety grounds.

 

I would be interested to hear if you agree?  The later Britannias - mostly Scottish - are not of interest because they have different tenders.  Thanks again

 

Regards Ray

Hello Alan

 

Not so much smoke deflectors but the cab roof - did any other members of the class share the same design of cab roof as Britannia?

I can give you a list,...

I am thinking that 70004 would not be a bad choice for a new identity!

 

Regards

 

Ray

Hi Ray

I will have some info for you shortly --it's cross reffing about 20 books with my notes and photos! Working away from home Weds on for a week but on my return I have some bank days. I am "on" a couple of Brits too!

Thanks Alan

Hi ...Working away from home ...!

I am glad those days are gone - later the driving 140 miles each day wasn't much better!

 

Speak again

 

Ray

Hello Ray,

If you're still pondering a Britannia class with its original 'railed' smoke deflectors, then 70021 Morning Star might be of interest. Despite serving at the Canton shed 1957 through early '58, she was the only Class 7 to escape the smoke deflector modification. Also, uniquely of all the Britannias, she retained her lined green livery throughout the entirety of her career. (For a good history of 70021, of course, it's David Hayes' excellent website.)

 

I'm currently working on detailing and weathering a Hornby R.2207 'Britannia' to represent 70021 Morning Star during her brief spell at Canton. Part of this will include the fitting a rubberized canvas weather shield between the cab and tender. Of course, to make this work, I'll need to do some kind of self-adjusting close-coupling system, as sometimes fitted to carriages. If you've any suggestions in that direction, please let me know. I see Hornby do offer a 'close-coupling sprung drawbar' for their Britannia (which one?), part No. X9053, which might be worthy of investigation.

 

Regards,

Rick

Thanks Rick  - a quick reply before I do some thinking.  Yes I had spotted 70021 - interesting that it was a Canton based engine although Derek Dean infers it was maintained at Crewe and that is why it retained the handrails.

 

Hello Ray,

If you're still pondering a Britannia class with its original 'railed' smoke deflectors, then 70021 Morning Star might be of interest. Despite serving at the Canton shed 1957 through early '58, she was the only Class 7 to escape the smoke deflector modification. Also, uniquely of all the Britannias, she retained her lined green livery throughout the entirety of her career. (For a good history of 70021, of course, it's David Hayes' excellent website.)

 

...... If you've any suggestions in that direction, please let me know. I see Hornby do offer a 'close-coupling sprung drawbar' for their Britannia (which one?), part No. X9053, which might be worthy of investigation.

 

Regards,

Rick

Close coupling - I am guesswing that part no. X9053 is for use with the tender drive models.  Hornby have various lengths of close couper available and do remember in the past having changed the 'part number on an old tender drive Hornby 2800 so that engine and tender were even closer coupled.  I don't think that it will be suitable for the latest range of Britannia models.

 

Again this is without researching but I am almost certain that one of the Hornby tender drive models was 'Morning Star'.  Now whether you wanted to swap parts around - and what level of detail you would end up with and whether you be satisfied with is another question!

 

Food for thought

 

Regards

 

Ray