RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted August 28, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 28, 2015 That beggars belief!! They need to go to specsave Indeed. The "heavy shunt" to the nose effect does it no favours. This is the same company which can't tell the difference between an original and a modified Hall at the moment. The Bachmann Deltic stands out like a sore thumb in their range the same way as the Hornby Dublo one did 50 years ago in their range. I'm sure it will get retooled in the not too distant future or another manufacturer or commissioner will seize the opportunity to produce a top class model of the production version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gary H Posted August 28, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 28, 2015 This is the same company which can't tell the difference between an original and a modified Hall at the moment. The Bachmann Deltic stands out like a sore thumb in their range the same way as the Hornby Dublo one did 50 years ago in their range. I'm sure it will get retooled in the not too distant future or another manufacturer or commissioner will seize the opportunity to produce a top class model of the production version. Indeed, lets hope so like Dapol did with the western after Heljan's first run of it. Even the 34 year old Lima Deltic had the basic shape of it correct, certainly the nose was anyway and was a lot closer than Bachmann's!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peak experience Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 That beggars belief!! They need to go to specsavers then. If it was correct I'd have added a few to my roster and swelled their coffers as it is I don't own a single one. The reply just came across as arrogant and final in the face of what everyone else knows is an incorrect shape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peak experience Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I'd be interested to hear if anyone has attempted to graft a Lima Deltic nose onto the Bachmann model and if it can be done successfully? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gary H Posted August 28, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) I'd be interested to hear if anyone has attempted to graft a Lima Deltic nose onto the Bachmann model and if it can be done successfully? I'm not sure. There was a feature in one of the monthly's quite recently on a modification to the nose. Cant remember what mag it was as I quickly glanced through it on a shelf in Smiths. It involved from what I (very vaguely) remember, removing the bonnet tops completely and rebuilding it with an etch and filler. I used to do a lot of 'plastic surgery' on British outline diesels years past but even this looked like a right PITA and a lot of work! The finished model looked real nice but to me, I've got more interesting things to do with my time, probably the reason I didn't buy the mag in question for the Deltic mod when I saw it. I too would buy a few of them if it looked right, but for me, I just cant take it seriously. Such a shame for what is such an icon of British engineering at its best. Edited August 28, 2015 by Gary H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Its not just the nose and ride height that is not right. The rain strips on the grilles on the nose side are made far too heavy - Lima got this about right, and the thin supports in the middle of the radiator slats are missing, again Lima got this right. Not only that, but the sandbox fillers are molded on on the Lima model, but are just printed on the Bachmann, as is the access hatch on one of the noses, although I can't remember if Lima molded it or left it off all together. Not such a biggy as you could always assume you were looking at the loco from the other side. It is such a pity about the Lima model being under length! Someone somewhere must be capable of doing a Deltic properly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimbus Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Someone somewhere must be capable of doing a Deltic properly! It's been written that someone has laser-scanned one of the survivors... The Nim. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 It's been written that someone has laser-scanned one of the survivors... The Nim. Indeed Bachmann scanned the original prototype DP1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocomotionatShildon Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Hi all Deltic DP1 and KOYLI in stock this week so hopefully shipping starts on Friday. Watch for UPS on Monday! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) Woohoo! Best get a decoder for it! /me sets up camp under the letterbox, ready to bite! Edited September 1, 2015 by Coldgunner 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Even the 34 year old Lima Deltic had the basic shape of it correct, certainly the nose was anyway and was a lot closer than Bachmann's!! If anyone wishes to swap their new inferior Bachmann Deltic for my old superior Lima one, I am up for it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD0-6-0 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Hi all Deltic DP1 and KOYLI in stock this week so hopefully shipping starts on Friday. Watch for UPS on Monday! That'll make my first day at college easier knowing I can go home to a DP1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocomotionatShildon Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 My cupboard is a tip with all these KOYLIs and Deltics.... Hope to get rid of some tomorrow! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocomotionatShildon Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Stuart enjoying himself wrapping up all the deltics! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
srihaggis Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Just been to the wrapping room to collect said model... Was worth the 250mile round trip :-) 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
srihaggis Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan452 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I'd be interested to hear if anyone has attempted to graft a Lima Deltic nose onto the Bachmann model and if it can be done successfully? I'm not sure. There was a feature in one of the monthly's quite recently on a modification to the nose. Cant remember what mag it was as I quickly glanced through it on a shelf in Smiths. It involved from what I (very vaguely) remember, removing the bonnet tops completely and rebuilding it with an etch and filler. I used to do a lot of 'plastic surgery' on British outline diesels years past but even this looked like a right PITA and a lot of work! The finished model looked real nice but to me, I've got more interesting things to do with my time, probably the reason I didn't buy the mag in question for the Deltic mod when I saw it. I too would buy a few of them if it looked right, but for me, I just cant take it seriously. Such a shame for what is such an icon of British engineering at its best. 'Rail Express' - Modeller Yearbook (Pages 50-63) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted September 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 7, 2015 My DP1 arrived an hour ago. It looks good and runs well on my test track. Now its on the rolling road being run in. I do like the packaging which does make you feel that you are helping the NRM by purchasing their models. Well done to everyone involved in producing this which arrived much sooner than I expected. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD0-6-0 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 My DP1 has also arrived according to my gran who accepted it for me, going to collect it from her later on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) Nothing yet for me, unless it shows up this afteroon. Edit: 2 mins after posting this, my pristine one arrived! Edited September 7, 2015 by Coldgunner 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peak experience Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I recall in one of the modelling magazines recently, a reader asked the question to the Bachmann head honchos regarding a retool of the Deltic to which the reply came that, 'no they weren't considering it as there was nothing wrong with the shape/dimensions'. I actually stumbled across the article today. Word for word it reads thus; Q: Would you consider retooling the Class 55 in 'OO' gauge with the correct nose profile and better detail? (Scott Hulme) A: GH: ''No - there's nothing wrong with it. We can show you the original drawings and we scanned it as well.'' DL: ''In one of the Collectors Club magazines many years ago when the furore over this started we had a drawing, a scanned drawing file and a photograph together with one of the models. We overlaid all of them and there was nothing in it. So this thing about it being totally wrong is incorrect.'' My opinion is that Bachmann produce some splendid product but i know that there are an awful lot of modellers who would disagree with their analysis of the dimensional merits of their class 55. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Can anyone provide scrutinizing photos of their pristine KOYLI's? Just unpacked mine and it's a dog that shouldn't have got through quality control. I've emailed locomotion for a replacment, but i'd like to know if anyone else has these same issues; Paint chips on the nose Flaking paint on the nose Green bottom edges to the nose Green patches on the nose Black overspray from the buffers onto the nose Yellow overspray from the nose onto the body Black overspray on the inset body panels onto the body Speckled finish to the blue paint on the body Doesn't say much about Bachmann's QC now, does it.... Poor mans weathering ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
47423 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Mine arrived yesterday, Pristine KOYLI. Have to say i`m also deciding whether or not to return mine, first thing i noticed was part of the nose top grab handle broken and wedged inside the sleeve so clearly not damaged in transit. The nose bracket nowhere even in the box and i was a little bit disappointed with the state of the box, scruffy with loose edges. Looked more like something you would get off ebay, not a £125 model. Poor QC indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted September 8, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 8, 2015 Another pristine DP1 delivered here. All ok, and currently undergoing mileage accumulation runs on ecs duties. I hadn't looked forwards to a parcel as much as this for some time. Needless to say UPS turned up in the very 30 mins we were both out, but he put it under the mat 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Had a chance to play with my pristine DP1 yesterday. Fitted a Sapphire decoder to her. First thing I noticed was the sheer weight, certainly one of the heaviest in my fleet. Second thing was how much time it took to defrock her to install the chip. One screw was consumed by the carpet monster, but there's still another 7 to hold her together! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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