JSpencer Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 I nearly went into panic mode when I saw March April, this on top of P class, B4, Heljan 07, then I saw it was 2019! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 . I didn't really know where to post this, but I thought that the sort of people interested in the 45-tonner would possibly be interested in their smaller (and odder) relatives. This is volume 3 of the series ; https://www.amazon.co.uk/Railway-Cranes-rail-mounted-Britain-Breakdown/dp/0860936848/ref=sr_1_20?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1522689609&sr=1-20 Railway Cranes Volume 3: 3: Hand, steam and diesel rail-mounted cranes of Britain (Railway Breakdown Cranes) Hand, steam and diesel rail-mounted travelling cranes of Britain Hardcover – 30 Sep 2018 by Peter Tatlow (Author) Hardcover: 256 pages Publisher: OPC Railprint (30 Sept. 2018) ISBN-10: 0860936848 ISBN-13: 978-0860936848 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 . I didn't really know where to post this, but I thought that the sort of people interested in the 45-tonner would possibly be interested in their smaller (and odder) relatives. This is volume 3 of the series ; https://www.amazon.co.uk/Railway-Cranes-rail-mounted-Britain-Breakdown/dp/0860936848/ref=sr_1_20?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1522689609&sr=1-20 Railway Cranes Volume 3: 3: Hand, steam and diesel rail-mounted cranes of Britain (Railway Breakdown Cranes) Hand, steam and diesel rail-mounted travelling cranes of Britain Hardcover – 30 Sep 2018 by Peter Tatlow (Author) Hardcover: 256 pages Publisher: OPC Railprint (30 Sept. 2018) ISBN-10: 0860936848 ISBN-13: 978-0860936848 I take it that this title is yet to be published? Having bought the first two volumes, I will be in the market for the third, but I've seen no notice of its publication. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 . As noted, the publishing date, ACCORDING TO AMAZON, is 30th September 2018. However, publishing dates do tend to slip backwards nowadays. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 . As noted, the publishing date, ACCORDING TO AMAZON, is 30th September 2018. However, publishing dates do tend to slip backwards nowadays. . Only publishing dates? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDJR7F88 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 (edited) Two prototypes of the Crane were on display over the weekend at the Bristol Model Railway Exhibition. The amount of detail Bachmann have gone into is just outstanding! Here's a quick video of the Bachmann Stand, featuring some close-ups of the Cranes. Hope it's of interest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKM-LBeloeU Edited May 11, 2018 by SDJR7F88 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 When are these due in to shops? Kind regards Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 When are these due in to shops? Kind regards Neil Showing March 2019 on https://www.Bachmann.co.uk/availability/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delticfan Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Showing March 2019 on https://www.Bachmann.co.uk/availability/ That means March 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portchullin Tatty Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 . As noted, the publishing date, ACCORDING TO AMAZON, is 30th September 2018. However, publishing dates do tend to slip backwards nowadays. . Volu I take it that this title is yet to be published? Having bought the first two volumes, I will be in the market for the third, but I've seen no notice of its publication. Regards, John Isherwood. Hi John Volume 3 will be launch at Scaleforum on 22/23 September 2018. The author (my father) will be in attendance over the weekend. Mark 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) I know very little about these cranes, so my question is... Were any of these cranes ever painted in BR yellow livery? And if so when would they have operated as such? And lastly, are there any photographs around? I can find photos in BR red livery but seemingly nothing beyond this era... although this photo suggests that there must have been yelow examples at some point... https://www.flickr.com/photos/67438684@N07/6800598547/in/album-72157629127106743/ thanks Al Edited June 29, 2018 by YesTor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 I know very little about these cranes, so my question is... Were any of these cranes ever painted in BR yellow livery? And if so when would they have operated as such? And lastly, are there any photographs around? I can find photos in BR red livery but seemingly nothing beyond this era... thanks Al As far as I can recall none of these made it into Yellow, by that time I think only diesel cranes were in service (though I expect to be proved wrong) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 (edited) As far as I can recall none of these made it into Yellow, by that time I think only diesel cranes were in service (though I expect to be proved wrong) That was my suspicion too, although I'm sure I read somewhere that some cranes were converted from steam to diesel, although again not sure that it applies to the Ransomes crane? Speaking to the guy on the Bachmann stand at DEMU and he did mention the possibility of a yellow liveried version in the future which only fuelled my curiosity that maybe some did make it into yellow... And looking again at this photo https://www.flickr.com/photos/67438684@N07/6800598547/in/album-72157629127106743/ and this would suggest that this particular crane has received a donor part from a yellow liveried sister... Edited June 30, 2018 by YesTor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 ...this would suggest that this particular crane has received a donor part from a yellow liveried sister... or that the 'hazardous' swinging boiler end was painted yellow at some point rather than painting the whole crane! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert17649 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 That means March 2021 unless the transition period is extended Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craneman Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 (edited) Re. the above:- 1) None of the the R&R 45-ton cranes that operated on the UK main lines was ever converted from steam to diesel operation. All remained steam powered to the end of their days, or if preserved are still steam powered today. 2) Only one was ever painted in yellow livery, the former GWR No 19 crane, which as ADRR 95213 was painted yellow whilst allocated to Plymouth (Laira) circa 1984, and a very few photos exist showing it carrying this rather unflattering livery. It carried the yellow livery into preservation in 1987 at which time it was repainted black. If anyone has, or knows of, good photos showing '213 in its yellow livery I would be extremely grateful to hear of them. ADRR 95215 (the crane in the linked photo above in 'hybrid' livery) was in that state when withdrawn from Newton Heath and sold to the Bluebell Railway in 1981. The paintwork on the cab does suggest that there was probably an intent to repaint the crane into yellow livery immediately prior to the decision to withdraw. It is not known, however, when the cab was repainted in that way. The crane never carried full yellow livery, and the incongruous parts were definitely not 'donated' from another crane. (Edited for spelling - oops!) Edited July 2, 2018 by craneman 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 That was my suspicion too, although I'm sure I read somewhere that some cranes were converted from steam to diesel, although again not sure that it applies to the Ransomes crane? Speaking to the guy on the Bachmann stand at DEMU and he did mention the possibility of a yellow liveried version in the future which only fuelled my curiosity that maybe some did make it into yellow... And looking again at this photo https://www.flickr.com/photos/67438684@N07/6800598547/in/album-72157629127106743/ and this would suggest that this particular crane has received a donor part from a yellow liveried sister... None of the 45t ARP cranes were full yellow in BR service, I seem to remember reading the one linked in your post was a preservation paint job. Also none of the ARPs were converted to diesel IIRC, but I'll double check Tatlow's guide next time I have access to it. Longmoor Military Railway lined Blue however, that is fair game... Oops, posts crossed. Take cranemans answer over mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgj Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 The crane looks impressive in the video- very compicated and detailed. It is so detailed that anyone worried about the high price will probably find a few second hand ones that have fallen to bits to buy a bit more cheaply! Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentor95 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Re. the above:- 1) None of the the R&R 45-ton cranes that operated on the UK main lines was ever converted from steam to diesel operation. All remained steam powered to the end of their days, or if preserved are still steam powered today. 2) Only one was ever painted in yellow livery, the former GWR No 19 crane, which as ADRR 95213 was painted yellow whilst allocated to Plymouth (Laira) circa 1984, and a very few photos exist showing it carrying this rather unflattering livery. It carried the yellow livery into preservation in 1987 at which time it was repainted black. If anyone has, or knows of, good photos showing '213 in its yellow livery I would be extremely grateful to hear of them. ADRR 95215 (the crane in the linked photo above in 'hybrid' livery) was in that state when withdrawn from Newton Heath and sold to the Bluebell Railway in 1981. The paintwork on the cab does suggest that there was probably an intent to repaint the crane into yellow livery immediately prior to the decision to withdraw. It is not known, however, when the cab was repainted in that way. The crane never carried full yellow livery, and the incongruous parts were definitely not 'donated' from another crane. (Edited for spelling - oops!) Hi craneman, reading your request for a good photo of '213, I have found this one, not so good, taken at Laira 07-09-1985. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craneman Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 That is by far the best and most detailed photo I have seen yet of 95213 in that colour, and I am very grateful to you for posting it. Many thanks! Did you take any more photos of it at the time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbles2 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) https://flic.kr/p/JnQu1J https://flic.kr/p/Cyzsdj GWR No 19 crane, which as ADRR 95213 was painted yellow whilst allocated to Plymouth Laira. Edited August 16, 2018 by bubbles2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craneman Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) Unfortunately the two flickr photos are not 95213, they're the Cowans Sheldon crane ADRC 95221 which replaced it c.1987 when the Ransomes & Rapier was sold into preservation. ADRC 95221 was a 45-tonner built as an oil fired steam crane for the WD but demobbed into BR service. It had been converted from steam to diesel-hydraulic operation prior to going to Laira. In fact the reason for the disposal of '213 and its replacement with '221 was to avoid the need for a diesel depot to continue to support steam machinery. Edited August 16, 2018 by craneman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbles2 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Unfortunately the two flickr photos are not 95213, they're the Cowans Sheldon crane ADRC 95221 which replaced it c.1987 when the Ransomes & Rapier was sold into preservation. ADRC 95221 was a 45-tonner built as an oil fired steam crane for the WD but demobbed into BR service. It had been converted from steam to diesel-hydraulic operation prior to going to Laira. In fact the reason for the disposal of '213 and its replacement with '221 was to avoid the need for a diesel depot to continue to support steam machinery. Thanks for the reply and explanation. Which is this one? https://flic.kr/p/Dkdx4w Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craneman Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 That one is ADRR 95213, the Ransomes 45-tonner whilst sporting the rather ghastly yellow livery. It is one of only three photos I know of showing it in that livery (it was only two photos until Brentor95 kindly posted the photo above in this thread). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portchullin Tatty Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Although not strictly about breakdown cranes (because it deals with permanent way cranes), those with an interest in cranes will wish to know of the next of my father's books which will be launched at Scaleforum in September this year. Or it can be bought through the usual sellers and the publisher Crecy. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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