RMweb Gold Ryde-on-time Posted October 31, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 31, 2017 Heads up again. Another new series starts 9pm next Monday - 6th November with a trip through Morocco http://www.channel5.com/show/chris-tarrant-extreme-railway-journeys/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Just a heads up that the new series is starting at 9:00 this evening. Yeah should prove interesting to watch - the short clip/trailer I viewed showed the soles of CT's trainer's "melted" with the heat !! now that's hot ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEAMYAKIMA Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) I thought last night's was brilliant - I real insight into the countries he visited and REAL steam. I would certainly fancy a few days in Bosnia photographing a real working steam loco in 2018 - anyone planning a visit? Maybe John Raby? I'll ask him. Edited November 21, 2017 by TEAMYAKIMA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted November 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2017 I thought last night's was brilliant - I real insight into the countries he visited and REAL steam. I would certainly fancy a few days in Bosnia photographing a real working steam loco in 2018 - anyone planning a visit? Maybe John Raby? I'll ask him. The armoured train was fascinating too - just left exactly where it was disabled as a monument. And the trip through the Montenegro valley and the final descent into Bar were quite awesome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted December 28, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 28, 2018 A new series (number 5) of four hour long episodes starts on Channel 5 on Monday 7th January at 2100 The first week he is touring Europe's alpine railways. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted January 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2019 His alpine railways programme was most enjoyable. Doesn't that Austrian livery look smart! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 8, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) I had to chuckle when he was describing how the engineers came up with a solution on how to get their locomotive around the necessary curves on a mountain route. Various pictures of articulated locos were shown, including a Double Fairlie. All these ideas were dismissed. What was the earth shattering design the engineers came up with? Putting the coal & water into a separate truck. A tender! Sans pareil, Locomotion, Rocket anyone? If you ignore the sometimes inane comments it was OK. Keith Edit: Spain next week. Edited January 8, 2019 by melmerby 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Torper Posted January 14, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2019 If you ignore the sometimes inane comments it was OK. Spain next week. Yes, OK about sums it up. It was just a bit too civilised and not as good as some of his earlier programmes in less developed parts of the world. However, there's more train in Mr Tarrant's programme than in Mr Portillo's which is a Good Thing and I really get the impression that Mr Tarrant is a genuine enthusiast. Looking forward to Spain tonight. DT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 What was the earth shattering design the engineers came up with? Putting the coal & water into a separate truck. A tender! Sans pareil, Locomotion, Rocket anyone? No it wasn't. He was describing an Engerth which I am sure he said. If you've ever seen the workings you will see it's very different to a conventional set up. I'm on my phone on the moment so can't do a link. I am sure wikki will have an entry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) Yes, OK about sums it up. It was just a bit too civilised and not as good as some of his earlier programmes in less developed parts of the world. However, there's more train in Mr Tarrant's programme than in Mr Portillo's which is a Good Thing and I really get the impression that Mr Tarrant is a genuine enthusiast. Looking forward to Spain tonight. DT To be fair Portillos prog is more of a travel programme as it uses Bradshaws which give descriptions of the places visited. So I don't expect much of the trains. Edited January 14, 2019 by Hobby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 15, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2019 Good one on Spain. Nice variety of trains on offer and you can see how Spain has changed from importing TGVs for it's first AVE services to building it's own Talgo trains to use. Fair bit of history as well. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
25901 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) The gauge changing train was a wonder to watch, a whole train done in about a minute Edited January 15, 2019 by 25901 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 and Seville to Madrid times halved from 6 hours to 3 overnight when the high speed route began.......the spanish mustve loved that improvement! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 No it wasn't. He was describing an Engerth which I am sure he said. If you've ever seen the workings you will see it's very different to a conventional set up. I'm on my phone on the moment so can't do a link. I am sure wikki will have an entry. According to Wiki, the Engerth type is more like an articulated tank loco... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engerth_locomotive Odd! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 It can be and it can also involve a tender, the idea is that some of the weight of the tender is transferred to the driving wheels on the loco thus increasing adhesion, so the loco isn't just hauling a dead weight around with it. That's how the Mh Class 760mm gauge Engerths work. So not so odd but a useful way of increasing traction. Here's a (not brilliant!) photo of the chassis of an Mh class we say on the Pinzgaur recently: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I'd suggest people get the book "Engines that Bend" for a full roundup of all the articulated railway locos and how they work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 16, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) No it wasn't. He was describing an Engerth which I am sure he said. If you've ever seen the workings you will see it's very different to a conventional set up. I'm on my phone on the moment so can't do a link. I am sure wikki will have an entry. It wasn't very clear that what he was describing was any different from what had gone before. Unfortunately his sometimes over jocular presentation doesn't help. Keith Edited January 16, 2019 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) Yes, I just watched it again and see what you mean, though he did say "articulating the loco with the tender ... so that the full weight pushed down on the driving wheels..." which is different to the conventional engine/tender combo or tank loco... They key thing with the Engerth system is that some of the tender weight is transferred to the driving wheels, rather than a simple drawbar seen on most loco/tender combinations, so allowing the loco to have more adhesion whilst still being able to get round sharp curves and heavy gradients of that route, I suppose trying to put a full technical description into such a programme would have given most viewers a "woosh" moment! This is what he was describing, taken from the Wikki page: "The distinctive feature of the Engerth design was an articulated tender as part of the main locomotive frame. Some of the weight of the tender therefore rested on the driving wheels, improving adhesion, while articulation allowed the locomotive to navigate the narrow curves of mountain railways." Certainly not what had come before and whilst it may have looked at first glance like a tank loco it wasn't! Edited January 16, 2019 by Hobby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJ Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 That railway in Rio Tinto looks interesting, I'm thinking a long weekend to Spain is called for at some time to visit. I have had haulage and seen locos on an Austrian narrow gauge line that use the Engerth sytem of articulation. If you think that is strange try to get your head around the Klein-Lindor system - locos look normal but the axles move! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klien-Lindner_axle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 16, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) That railway in Rio Tinto looks interesting, I'm thinking a long weekend to Spain is called for at some time to visit. See here: http://parquemineroderiotinto.es/ Keith 11 Euros for a steam train ride doesn't seem a bad price. Here is the Garratt that you could see in the background: https://goo.gl/maps/LHktvWGNGiv Edited January 16, 2019 by melmerby 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 The gauge changing train was a wonder to watch, a whole train done in about a minute Although for me, there were alarm bells going off in my brain when they mentioned the wheels were not on axles. I have no idea of the forces involved in keeping a non-axled wheel in its mounting while cornering at 200mph, but I wouldn't volunteer to ride on a train with that set-up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 16, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) Although for me, there were alarm bells going off in my brain when they mentioned the wheels were not on axles. I have no idea of the forces involved in keeping a non-axled wheel in its mounting while cornering at 200mph, but I wouldn't volunteer to ride on a train with that set-up. Talgo type trains have been operating for many years without a problem (1968-) See this demo: Keith The Variable gauge trains are relatively modern but Talgo axle-less trains have been around for a long time. They were originally designed for their light weight. Edited January 16, 2019 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) Talgo type trains have been operating for many years without a problem (1968-) See this demo: Keith The Variable gauge trains are relatively modern but Talgo axle-less trains have been around for a long time. They were originally designed for their light weight. Lot earlier than that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talgo suggests patented 1941 and I can remember Talgos when I was a teenager, so mid 1960s. I enjoyed it - could have been an entire series. He was dismissive of the broader gauge, but not only does that improve stability it makes Spanish trains a lot more comfortable. I thought it wonderful when I first travelled on it in c1961. The modernisation is incredible, although I did travel the last year of steam hauled trains from Port Bou to Barcelona, they were electrified a year later. One item mentioned, but only about the Rio Tinto operation was that before pack mules were used. Spain had no inland transport of note before railways - they didn't have a canal age like Britain and much of northern Europe. So railways were an incredible development. Paul Edited January 16, 2019 by hmrspaul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ryde-on-time Posted November 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2019 Just a heads up another new series starts tomorrow, 25th November, 9pm Channel 5 - “Railways of the Somme” The second episode on Monday 2nd December is ‘Last train to Transylvania” Details here: https://www.channel5.com/show/chris-tarrant-extreme-railway-journeys/ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ryde-on-time Posted November 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2019 A bit more info here https://www.radiotimes.com/tv-programme/e/kd52sc/chris-tarrant-extreme-railway-journeys--s6-e1-chris-tarrant-railways-of-the-somme/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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