MGR Hooper! Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Taken from the MREmag page.... http://www.mremag.com/index.php/news/505-locomotionhsdt Locomotionmodels.com are pleased and proud to announce the production of the groundbreaking High Speed Diesel Train, with the power cars being later designated Class 41 and were the forerunners to the iconic HST. Working in association with Rapido Trains Inc., Locomotionmodels.com have taken the opportunity at this years Warley Model Railway Exhibition to announce their intention to produce a ‘00’ model of the prototype High Speed Diesel Train as part of their continued plan to introduce collectable iconic motive power units that form the National Collection in Miniature. Following on from the APT-E, of which production models can be seen on both the Rapido Trains Inc. and Locomotionmodels.com stand at the Warley Show, both brands are keen to use what many believe to be the high spot of the model railway exhibition season to announce the introduction of a ‘00’ scale model of the HSDT. When asked about this latest Locomotionmodels.com exclusive, Brian Greenwood, Chairman of the Locomotion Management Board said, ”When we first sat down with the team from Rapido to discuss the introduction of the APT-E we all agreed that once the production of the APT-E had started we should move straight into the development of the Class 41 HSDT. To us all sitting around the table it was obvious that one iconic train should follow the other and I am pleased that at last we can announce Phase 2 of our plans.’ Bill Schneider, Rapido’s Product Designer added, ‘Producing the APT-E for Locomotionmodels.com presented us with some special challenges which we were more than capable of overcoming. As for the HSDT, this unit is a natural progression and we are most definitely excited about what we can build in to what we know will be an amazing model’. The final make up of the HSDT train pack has as yet not been finalised, neither has the eventual retail price and delivery date, however all those interested in the project are encouraged to subscribe to the Locomotionmodels.com Newsletter and watch out for further announcements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 In a while we'll be able to reproduce this in OO gauge then. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 See http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/105412-locomotion-announce-prototype-hst/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delticfan Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Brilliant news this will look fantastic well done Rapido and Locomotion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 See http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/105412-locomotion-announce-prototype-hst/ Sorry, had no idea it was hush-hush this morning...Since it was on the MREmag website, I thought I could post here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted November 28, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 28, 2015 In a while we'll be able to reproduce this in OO gauge then. The DMU afterwards? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 It makes sense to me to model the full train. Pretty pointless otherwise. However, I'm sure Rapido set the price of the APT-E on the low side and the vehicles of this will be more expensive - especially if we have two motored power cars with sound. Add on the number of Mk. IIIs needed and it's going to be difficult to afford for some of us (meaning me). We also want to avoid chicken and egg - power cars not ordered because the Mk. IIIs aren't available. It will take some clever marketing. The best way might be to make the vehicles available in stages with assurances that all of them will be available eventually. There have been requests for re-tooled Mk. IIIs. Would it be too risky to develop production Mk. IIIs at the same time? Hornby might react to that or already be planning re-tools. On the other hand, a range of production Mk. IIIs would spread the cost. I think the bogies on the prototypes were different from the production versions for a start. Offhand, I don't know what other differences there are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) A number of the details of the prototype Mk.IIIs were carried over onto the loco-hauled versions (roof vents and buffers) though there are obvious differences too, most notably the doors. Yes, the bogies were slightly different, but only in detail. Of course, you could always hunt out old Jouef ones to modify like this one I (nearly) completed around 35 years ago: Edited November 29, 2015 by BernardTPM 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shreds Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) Good as they were in the day, I am totally confident that Jason and the crew will develop a better Mk3 than Jouef produced. Cost wise, there will be no expensive problems with the tilt reproduction, as it was not a tilting train, and whilst the carriages had BT5 vice BT10 bogies and a different electrics/jumpers, the detail differences should mean that it will be possible to reproduce 1x power car body, 1x 1st class coach body, 1x 2nd class coach body, 1x TRUK Kitchen car body, 1x TRSB restaurant/buffet catering vehicle body; the other differences being largely cosmetic in a model, and not particularly difficult to reproduce in 4mm. And no cheese butties to wedge under doors. Paint differences and a second power car, being possibly as a dummy, could be purchasers' own choices. Those worrying about cost are probably not going to have to worry too much, plus there is likely to be a lead time for these to be produced, meaning diligent saving over the next say 12 months will allow a version of the train to be obtained. My one plea to Jason is:- like the APT-E, make it without compromise, (in fact, with less compromise as it doesn't have to tilt), and ensure that it is once again P4 compatible. I will be looking like the APT-E, to recreate the complete 1973 train... Edited November 29, 2015 by shreds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Good as they were in the day, I am totally confident that Jason and the crew will develop a better Mk3 than Jouef produced. ... I'm probaby being thick, but where does it say Locomotion/Rapido are producing the coaches? All I can find is this quote: "Working in association with Rapido Trains Inc., Locomotionmodels.com have taken the opportunity at this years Warley Model Railway Exhibition to announce their intention to produce a ‘00’ model of the prototype High Speed Diesel Train as part of their continued plan to introduce collectable iconic motive power units [sic] that form the National Collection in Miniature." [my emphasis] I'd be delighted if they're in fact producing the whole train - but I've only seen reference to the power cars. Help! Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I don't think it's been said anywhere that the coaches are being produced. What we've been saying is that they ought to be produced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted November 29, 2015 Author Share Posted November 29, 2015 I'm probaby being thick, but where does it say Locomotion/Rapido are producing the coaches? All I can find is this quote: "Working in association with Rapido Trains Inc., Locomotionmodels.com have taken the opportunity at this years Warley Model Railway Exhibition to announce their intention to produce a ‘00’ model of the prototype High Speed Diesel Train as part of their continued plan to introduce collectable iconic motive power units [sic] that form the National Collection in Miniature." [my emphasis] I'd be delighted if they're in fact producing the whole train - but I've only seen reference to the power cars. Help! Paul I don't think it's been said anywhere that the coaches are being produced. What we've been saying is that they ought to be produced. I've also been wondering why many are saying Mk.3s will be made. Not seen it mentioned anywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Good as they were in the day, I am totally confident that Jason and the crew will develop a better Mk3 than Jouef produced. I'm sure they will - if they do them! If not, then the Jouef has to be the best starting point (and there was no other Mk.3 worth looking at back in the late '70s when I converted that one). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium HillsideDepot Posted November 29, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2015 I take "The final make up of the HSDT train pack has as yet not been finalised" in the original announcement to mean that there will be Mk3s, but they haven't yet decided how many will be in the train pack. But others are reading it differently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 If Rapido do a set of Mk IIIs like their LRC coaches, they will be onto a real winner. These outclass any available Mk III or MK IV coach by some margin, and consider them better than any MK II we currently have in RTR too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamperman36 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 If they are doing the pair of power units they are already breaking from just the NRM stock as only 41001 still exists after the other power car was cut up. Thus why not do the mkllls as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
owentherail Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 You don't need too many Mk3s tho. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 The poster shows the powercars with MK3s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 My one plea to Jason is:- like the APT-E, make it without compromise, (in fact, with less compromise as it doesn't have to tilt), and ensure that it is once again P4 compatible. I don't think Jason has the word 'compromise' in his dictionary. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
srihaggis Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 As long as the model has buckeye style couplings and not those horrid hook & loop things that everybody makes models with then i'll be happy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidotrains Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Hi all, Bill and I are actually meeting with the NRM tomorrow to discuss our options for the HSDT. I would like to be able to offer the coaches as well, but it has to make economic sense for us to do it. My guess is it will be some months before the official announcement with product numbers and pricing, but I may be wrong... One thing though. We don't make dummies. While I normally say "never say never," I am pretty sure we will never produce a dummy locomotive again. We did it once - what a mistake. They cost us exactly $6 less than a powered locomotive. That's the cost of the motor. All other costs are the same. So all of our Class 41s will be powered. Sorry if that hurts your bank balance! -Jason 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) Hi all, So all of our Class 41s will be powered. Sorry if that hurts your bank balance! -Jason While some may want to save money, others, like myself dislike have two powered vehicles at either end of a train. This is not only due to issues with balance of push/pull but because it is a pain when they go between sections. Edited November 29, 2015 by Bomag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Makes you wonder why Hornby don't provide two powered cars, Just an excuse to fleece us perhaps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shreds Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Hi all, Bill and I are actually meeting with the NRM tomorrow to discuss our options for the HSDT. I would like to be able to offer the coaches as well, but it has to make economic sense for us to do it. My guess is it will be some months before the official announcement with product numbers and pricing, but I may be wrong... One thing though. We don't make dummies. While I normally say "never say never," I am pretty sure we will never produce a dummy locomotive again. We did it once - what a mistake. They cost us exactly $6 less than a powered locomotive. That's the cost of the motor. All other costs are the same. So all of our Class 41s will be powered. Sorry if that hurts your bank balance! -Jason Don't apologise for not compromising, two powered power cars are what I envisaged anyway. Especially if a full complement of coaches can be assimilated too. Good luck....can I place my order today? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted November 30, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2015 Two motorised power cars, both with DCC sound please. I've got a Bachmann Blue Pullman set up like this by Howes and it is superb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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