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Hi all, hope this is okay posting this in this section but it seems appropriate. 

 

The Dean Forest Coal Company was a coal factor company set up in 1870 by an employee of Henry Crawshay & Co., a Forest of Dean Colliery Company. George Frederick Morgan worked as Trade Manager for Crawshay & Co and due to this, the two companies had a close relationship. Dean Forest Coal was still trading in 1935. The 7 plank coal wagon represented here is number 437, which was a wagon from the first batch of ten ordered from Gloucester Carriage & Wagon works in 1914.

 

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NR-P906 by Derails Models, on Flickr (Apologies for the quality, it is an image of the sample from Peco and has a very low res!)

 

Limited to 100 pieces at £8.20 each plus postage, in stock online (below) and in our Coleford shop now.

 

The research and development of this wagon was aided considerably by the book "Private Owner Wagons of the Forest of Dean", written by Ian Pope and published by Lightmoor press. The book, although out of publication, can still be obtained using the ISBN number 1 899889 09 4 from a variety of sources, including the local Dean Forest Railway.

 

 

We hope to add more wagons to this range in the future!

 

Seasons Greetings!

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I've ordered three of these, thanks for comissioning them.

 

Do you have any intentions of commissioning wagons form the other pits, especially those of the Severn & Wye, such as the Cannop Ponds livery ?

 

I would also be interested in the cord wagons for the timber distillation works, if you were ever to commission those.

 

 

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I've posted this on the N Gauge forum to generate a  bit more interest.

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I've ordered three of these, thanks for comissioning them.

 

Do you have any intentions of commissioning wagons form the other pits, especially those of the Severn & Wye, such as the Cannop Ponds livery ?

 

I would also be interested in the cord wagons for the timber distillation works, if you were ever to commission those.

 

 

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I've posted this on the N Gauge forum to generate a bit more interest.

Firstly, thanks for the order, and thanks also for the N gauge forum post, I had forgotten about that one! :)

 

Secondly, we certainly do have those intentions, although we haven't decided where to go next. Cannop seems popular, since this release its the livery that we've been asked for the most - they were produced commercially within the past ten years which is why we didn't go with it before - so one to look at now though! The Severn & Wye is the main area of interest for us, both living, working and volunteering there!

 

Do you have any images of the cord wagons? Again, might be something to look into.

 

Seasons Greetings.

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My sources say that more have been ordered from the N Gauge forum, so sales could be going well.

 

My apologies it seems the cord wagons although used on standard gauge tracks were hauled by horses, or by the works own engine, and never saw the light of day on the branch on mainline, the only photo I've seen of them is in Ian Popes book  "Severn & Wye Railway V2" ISBN0906867 28 2

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Thanks, yes orders for these have risen today just a little!

 

We hope to be launching one every few months or so for as long as we can find liveries - ideas on a postcard please (an email would also be sufficient however)!

 

No problem on the cord wagons, I'll have a look at them anyway though, they sound interesting!

 

Seasons Greetings.

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Mine turned up today, extremely well packed, and they gave me a discount on the postage, good honest shop thanks Derails, when I am next home in the Ross area I shall pay you a visit.

Thanks for the kind words - if you do come down make sure you introduce yourself!

 

The Berry Wiggins bitumen tankers would be interesting.

Thanks for the suggestion :-)

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The FOD was a hive of industry in it's day, I would imagine almost all the pits had their own wagons, Cannop I know did, so that is one you could put me down for three of, any more would be a bonus.

The Timber distillers outside Coleford also produced charcoal for the furnaces, naptha and cordite among other things, all this had to be moved around, there were also numerous quarries supplying stone, and sawmills making the pit-props and other wooden products.

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The FOD was a hive of industry in it's day, I would imagine almost all the pits had their own wagons, Cannop I know did, so that is one you could put me down for three of, any more would be a bonus.

The Timber distillers outside Coleford also produced charcoal for the furnaces, naptha and cordite among other things, all this had to be moved around, there were also numerous quarries supplying stone, and sawmills making the pit-props and other wooden products.

 

 

Indeed it was. Having just had to write a short history of one section of line and struggled to fit it on one page, the amount of industry that revolved around the railways here was large.

 

I'll keep this page updated as and when something comes my way, hopefully as soon as possible! :)

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The Berry Wiggins bitumen tankers would be interesting.

 

And in OO as well.... ;)

 

Could you approach Bachmann for a special commission three tank set?

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

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For further local interest -

 

How about a Crawshay's Lightmoor colliery PO coal wagon- as illustrated in the magnificent colour photo of Tintern , circa 1937 on page 227 of Neil Parkhouse's most excellent 'West Gloucestershire and Wye Valley lines'. (Lightmoor press)

 

(In N ).

 

Best regards

 

Matt W

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In a couple of months the new OO scale Bachmann anchor mounted tank wagons will come (38-775/6/7). Wouldn't that be a nice base for that Berry Wiggins triple set? I think I see the same tankers in "BR steam in Dean" on page 75.

 

Kind regards from the Netherlands, Jelle Jan

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In a couple of months the new OO scale Bachmann anchor mounted tank wagons will come (38-775/6/7). Wouldn't that be a nice base for that Berry Wiggins triple set? I think I see the same tankers in "BR steam in Dean" on page 75.

 

Kind regards from the Netherlands, Jelle Jan

Sounds like a great idea.

 

Welcome to RMWeb, by the way!

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Thanks very much all for the suggestions, after yesterday's local Monmouth show we're down to about 30 of the current issue, I have two more liveries I'm seriously looking into at the moment so I'll let you all know when something comes about. Both have been suggested above so you have most certainly helped! :) Don't stop with the suggestions either, we'll look into just about anything!

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We're now down to a sufficent amount of the current release to allow me to get the ball rolling for the next one...it is again N gauge, and I am currently finishing off research so I can pass the photographs on to Peco for the artwork to be created.

 

Watch this space! :dancing:

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Good morning everyone!

 

We're back with the next edition, an N gauge Berry Wiggins Tank wagon in the more common black livery. Aided by pictures of the preserved wagon no. 171 at Cinderford and through pictures in the book "Private Owner Wagons of the Forest of Dean", written by Ian Pope and published by Lightmoor press, we have the following first sample for paroosal. 

 

The second underframe is present as the Peco design engineers were not happy with the way that the wagon plates had been printed, due to the deep surface - I think we will go with them though as it does add to the model, even not printed perfectly. The wagon number will also be changed to No. 28 as this represents the wagon Peco produce better than No. 171 which has a longer wheelbase and no headstocks. 

 

The main question we have is regarding pricing vs. detail - we can add the numbers to the ends of the tank as per the prototype but it means the price of the wagon will be raised by a £1 to around £11 each - would the potential customers prefer the price to be lower without the number, or would you prefer the numbers on the wagon to be present and not mind paying the extra supplement? All thoughts appreciated.

 

33770343845_ab5396957a_b.jpgNR-P916 First Sample by Derails Models, on Flickr

 

Kind Regards. :)

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Good morning everyone!

 

We're back with the next edition, an N gauge Berry Wiggins Tank wagon in the more common black livery. Aided by pictures of the preserved wagon no. 171 at Cinderford and through pictures in the book "Private Owner Wagons of the Forest of Dean", written by Ian Pope and published by Lightmoor press, we have the following first sample for paroosal. 

 

The second underframe is present as the Peco design engineers were not happy with the way that the wagon plates had been printed, due to the deep surface - I think we will go with them though as it does add to the model, even not printed perfectly. The wagon number will also be changed to No. 28 as this represents the wagon Peco produce better than No. 171 which has a longer wheelbase and no headstocks. 

 

The main question we have is regarding pricing vs. detail - we can add the numbers to the ends of the tank as per the prototype but it means the price of the wagon will be raised by a £1 to around £11 each - would the potential customers prefer the price to be lower without the number, or would you prefer the numbers on the wagon to be present and not mind paying the extra supplement? All thoughts appreciated.

 

33770343845_ab5396957a_b.jpgNR-P916 First Sample by Derails Models, on Flickr

 

Kind Regards. :)

 

I love them as they are with the nos at £11. How do I order 4 please.

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Some OO stuff would be great, I know Hereford models have done a few in the past but the Berry Wiggins wagon in OO would be great. Also possibly severn and wye buildings, such as the buildings at Parkend, Whitecroft and lydney ect, or the buildings at Tintern and St.Briavels........which would suit me a treat!!!

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