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#101 gismorail

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 17:49

It was good to see you at the Liverpool show over the weekend enjoyed our chat about future layouts and as usual enjoyed the scene at Ellesmere Station in all it's glory...... :sungum:  It's one of those layouts that one notices something new each time it is viewed. 


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Posted 24 April 2018 - 09:37

2239 needs a little bit more than lamps and crew. Without checking against my list, balance weights, vacuum pipes, screw link coupling on the front buffer beam and fallplate come to mind.

 

The weathering needs a little more attention too. Pleased with how it's turned out though. Now where did I put that coach you wanted doing???

 

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 14:34

Apologies to anyone who was hoping to see us at Aylesbury Railex.  Unfortunately, we've had to cancel at the last minute! Our next exhibition is currently Warley at the NEC in November.



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Posted 25 May 2018 - 14:54

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However, we have finished the Mess van which we saw in a photo taken when it was parked at Ellesmere in 1961. It was presumably there when the Elson Road bridge at the west end of the station was being strengthened.  It belonged to the Oswestry Division Bridge Department which was based at Caersws near Newtown. The model is a modified Ratio GWR 4 wheeler. Transfers were produced by Railtec and the end detail and painting were done by Ian Chapman. The roof still needs sticking on and it still lacks screw couplings.  Plenty of time to do that now!

 


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Posted 29 May 2018 - 22:49

What a cruel close up picture that is. It looks better "in the flesh". It will look good parked up in the siding.

 

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Posted 07 July 2018 - 19:11

Phil's superb Ellesmere layout features in the BRM June digital edition. 



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Posted 08 September 2018 - 10:15

Having decided to rekindle the thought of a model railway (in 2mm as you can get more in less space!) I was trying to find a "real" location and came across Ellesmere, which fits the bill quite well. Having found a 1920's 25 inch map showing the track layout, it was surprising the differences in pictures in the 1950/60's. After much practice with Templot have managed to come up with a reasonable incarnation of the layout but am stuck on one thing. THere re three exits from sidings onto the main line and from the maps and photographs there do not appear to be any trap points at all. Your layout has no traps from the two sidings behind the signal box but has a single blade trap at the exit from the main yard. Can anyone confirm whether there was a trap here or not. As an old P.Way engineer I'd have expected to see one but for whatever reason there mightn't have been one.

 

Look forward to the views of the audience!

 



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Posted 09 September 2018 - 16:22

Having decided to rekindle the thought of a model railway (in 2mm as you can get more in less space!) I was trying to find a "real" location and came across Ellesmere, which fits the bill quite well. Having found a 1920's 25 inch map showing the track layout, it was surprising the differences in pictures in the 1950/60's. After much practice with Templot have managed to come up with a reasonable incarnation of the layout but am stuck on one thing. THere re three exits from sidings onto the main line and from the maps and photographs there do not appear to be any trap points at all. Your layout has no traps from the two sidings behind the signal box but has a single blade trap at the exit from the main yard. Can anyone confirm whether there was a trap here or not. As an old P.Way engineer I'd have expected to see one but for whatever reason there mightn't have been one.

 

Look forward to the views of the audience!

 

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The track plan I have used is from the late 1950s after the turntable was taken out. Earlier plans do show different access to the goods yard but photos from the late 50s/60s clearly show just the one point accessing the yard from the down line and protected by the trap point with a ground signal.  On the up side the two sidings come off a headshunt/refuge siding which continues under Grange Road bridge. It isn't double track although it appears that way. One thing that has bothered me is that I can't see any ground signals controlling movements from the headhunt back onto the up running line although arlier photos show a 2 arm shunt signal. I have put a double ground signal in on my layout!

 

Ellesmere model railway club had an old 2mm model of Ellesmere but I am not sure where they are up to with it after it suffered some damage a while ago.

 

Derek Lowe's book on the Cambrian Main lIne has some useful views of Ellesmere.

 

Hope that helps and I am glad to answer any questions you may have

 

Cheers

 

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 19:31

Hi

The track plan I have used is from the late 1950s after the turntable was taken out. Earlier plans do show different access to the goods yard but photos from the late 50s/60s clearly show just the one point accessing the yard from the down line and protected by the trap point with a ground signal.  On the up side the two sidings come off a headshunt/refuge siding which continues under Grange Road bridge. It isn't double track although it appears that way. One thing that has bothered me is that I can't see any ground signals controlling movements from the headhunt back onto the up running line although arlier photos show a 2 arm shunt signal. I have put a double ground signal in on my layout!

 

Ellesmere model railway club had an old 2mm model of Ellesmere but I am not sure where they are up to with it after it suffered some damage a while ago.

 

Derek Lowe's book on the Cambrian Main lIne has some useful views of Ellesmere.

 

Hope that helps and I am glad to answer any questions you may have

 

Cheers

 

Phil

 

Phil,

 

Many thanks for the reply, it just goes to show how one shouldn't presume! I thought layout was double track from the Wrexham/Welshpool junction toward Whitchurch, it never occurred that it was in fact single. Nicely explains lack of traps to the sidings behind the box  :senile:

 

Have spent an enjoyable evening with Templot doing the required changes - oh the joy! Now just have to build baseboards and lay some track!

 

Will also try to get hold of a copy of the book for additional pictures. Have also mentioned a possible weekend away to the management to look at the old station building, fingers firmly crossed!

 

Thanks for the offer of help, hopefully you won't regret the offer!

 

Cheers,

 

Paul



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Posted 12 September 2018 - 10:01

Phil,

 

Many thanks for the reply, it just goes to show how one shouldn't presume! I thought layout was double track from the Wrexham/Welshpool junction toward Whitchurch, it never occurred that it was in fact single. Nicely explains lack of traps to the sidings behind the box  :senile:

 

Have spent an enjoyable evening with Templot doing the required changes - oh the joy! Now just have to build baseboards and lay some track!

 

Will also try to get hold of a copy of the book for additional pictures. Have also mentioned a possible weekend away to the management to look at the old station building, fingers firmly crossed!

 

Thanks for the offer of help, hopefully you won't regret the offer!

 

Cheers,

 

Paul

 

Hi Paul

 

I passed through Ellesmere a couple of weeks ago.  The site is owned by Fulwoods and it appears to be surrounded by new security fencing so access at a weekend may not be possible (Maybe a Saturday if Fulwoods are open). I assume the gates will be open during the week and you might be able to get in (I never got chased off!). Otherwise the Elson Road bridge provides a vantage point.

 

The Vic Rogers and Keith Mitchell book - Oswestry to Whitchurch is also useful. Have you tried the Disused Stations website on t'interweb? And Google images will throw up so pics as well.

 

 

Phil



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Posted 15 September 2018 - 16:05

Hi Paul

 

I passed through Ellesmere a couple of weeks ago.  The site is owned by Fulwoods and it appears to be surrounded by new security fencing so access at a weekend may not be possible (Maybe a Saturday if Fulwoods are open). I assume the gates will be open during the week and you might be able to get in (I never got chased off!). Otherwise the Elson Road bridge provides a vantage point.

 

The Vic Rogers and Keith Mitchell book - Oswestry to Whitchurch is also useful. Have you tried the Disused Stations website on t'interweb? And Google images will throw up so pics as well.

 

 

Phil

 

Phil,

 

Yes indeed, have been trawling any information I can come across, it's surprising how much is out there. But, I think I'll have problems finding details for other railway buildings.

 

Looking at the working timetable, it was interesting to see a couple of freight trains to "Elson Sidings" but I've had difficulty working out exactly where they were. Looking at the 25 inch map my money is on what seems to be an industrial building on the Welshpool line just around what looks like an abandoned triangle. As a local, is this right and do you know what was produced there? Looking at current Google maps the buildings seem to be in process of reclamation by nature. It'll give me some idea of the sort of freight traffic one would have expected to see.

 

Paul



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Posted 16 September 2018 - 13:39

Phil,

 

Yes indeed, have been trawling any information I can come across, it's surprising how much is out there. But, I think I'll have problems finding details for other railway buildings.

 

Looking at the working timetable, it was interesting to see a couple of freight trains to "Elson Sidings" but I've had difficulty working out exactly where they were. Looking at the 25 inch map my money is on what seems to be an industrial building on the Welshpool line just around what looks like an abandoned triangle. As a local, is this right and do you know what was produced there? Looking at current Google maps the buildings seem to be in process of reclamation by nature. It'll give me some idea of the sort of freight traffic one would have expected to see.

 

Paul

 

Hi Paul,

 

Phil is on holiday for a week but I'm sure he'll reply on his return.

 

Ian



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Posted 17 September 2018 - 15:20

Forgive me for joining in. During WW2, Elson had been home to a factory making all sorts of fabric goods for the Forces. Apparently, they also supplied some to the USSR, and the Russians had personnel based there. My source was a piece on the BBC site that dealt with eye-witness accounts of the 'Home Front'- I just Googled 'Elson' and went from there.

I had hoped these had been 'Molar Products' factory, but that was nearer Wrexham; into the 1980s, they received wagon-loads of china clay to make false teeth...

Elson had also been the site of a fatal rail accident in 1954; looks as though it was due to a crane overbalancing.



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Posted 18 September 2018 - 08:08

Forgive me for joining in. During WW2, Elson had been home to a factory making all sorts of fabric goods for the Forces. Apparently, they also supplied some to the USSR, and the Russians had personnel based there. My source was a piece on the BBC site that dealt with eye-witness accounts of the 'Home Front'- I just Googled 'Elson' and went from there.

I had hoped these had been 'Molar Products' factory, but that was nearer Wrexham; into the 1980s, they received wagon-loads of china clay to make false teeth...

Elson had also been the site of a fatal rail accident in 1954; looks as though it was due to a crane overbalancing.

 

Mmm, had a couple of minutes to look and the best I could find was that Elson Halt was closed during the war because of an army depot nearby. I came across the fatal accident and some photographs, which were interesting because the crane in question was a road crane and was being recovered by the railway breakdown crane! Trying to decipher the photographs, it seemed as though the road crane was loading a skip with bricks. You can see location is where two tracks joint into single line with trap (or lifted connection beyond) Curious why a road crane would have been where it was as no roads nearby, and loaded with bricks (demolition of signal box, P.Way cabin, platform? Link to photographs - http://search.digido...page=1&img_id=4

 

Haven't come across anything on the fabric goods as yet but it'll not help those in charge saying it was an army depot! Must dig a little further while waiting for Phil to return from holiday.