M Graff Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Merry Christmas! I got a new camera as a gift from my wife. [] I have used my old Sony DSC320 for several years, but it has starting to show its age... The new one is a Sony DSC QX100: It uses my smartphone as a display, and if I mount the lenz separately, I can be 30 feet away with the phone to control it. Very useful feature. It is a very nice piece of hardware which will be very fun to use more. Here is a test pic from this mornings "Julotta" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julotta) Anyone tried it for model photos? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Very clever. Looking forward to seeing more examples of its output. Railway themed of course 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Graff Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 HI again! I took a couple of test shots today. I used no additional lights and in the photo size that is standard when transferred to the phone. Feels like it's got potential. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Very nice and yes it does seem to have potential. What are outside shots like. The ones above seem to have a slight soft focus to them possibly due to low light. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted December 26, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 26, 2015 i have the older DSC-QX10 its quite good on the layout for usual angles but even more fun on a selfie stick out and about (not under ohle obviously) and on a tripod some of my remote pics taken on it the only downside is there can be a bit if a lag between pressing the shutter on the phone and the picture taking which with a moving train pic is a pain, other than that its a clever piece of kit i think roundhouse has one too 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Very good results and a good use of the tripod to give a remote aspect to the photos. Interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Graff Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 In higher resolution: I will try some outdoor pics when the weather gets better... :-) 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Much better. I have had a look at the back ground to the camera and its been out for nearly 2 years. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Graff Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 My wife had some good luck as she found it on sale for £120 including the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted December 26, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 26, 2015 not bad for video too, this one was done in very low light and edited together with splice, the good thing about it is you can zoom in and out remotely https://youtu.be/7BO68Wl3lVw the downside now though is i also use my iphone to control the layout so i'll have to take my ipad out to the shed to control the camera! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkeNd Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) It's a brave choice for a novelty alternative to just using the mobile phone sensor on its own. The 1" sensor refers to a sensor the same size as used to be found in what used to be referred to as a 1" TV camera tube - still tiny and only about 13.2mm X 8.8mm I think. Reviews show its edge definition to be below photographic quality in terms of pixel density. At its normal selling price it would be hard to imagine any sales at all but I guess at £120 that compensates for its limitations. Were you to try one you would find a conventional micro 4/3 camera would easily outperform this Sony in terms of resolution, speed of use, and freedom from glitches like locking up on complex scenes. Edited December 28, 2015 by ParkeNd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Graff Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) It's a brave choice for a novelty alternative to just using the mobile phone sensor on its own. The 1" sensor refers to a sensor the same size as used to be found in what used to be referred to as a 1" TV camera tube - still tiny and only about 13.2mm X 8.8mm I think. Reviews show its edge definition to be below photographic quality in terms of pixel density. At its normal selling price it would be hard to imagine any sales at all but I guess at £120 that compensates for its limitations. Were you to try one you would find a conventional micro 4/3 camera would easily outperform this Sony in terms of resolution, speed of use, and freedom from glitches like locking up on complex scenes.No, that's wrong...I have used other cameras, and they are NOT better than this. This gives the same quality pics as the (much more expensive) SONY RX100. And the glitches?? Locking up? Edited December 28, 2015 by M Graff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkeNd Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 No, that's wrong... I have used other cameras, and they are NOT better than this. This gives the same quality pics as the (much more expensive) SONY RX100. And the glitches?? Locking up? It is a similar sensor to the RX100 but apparently not the same. The QX100 lens unit is also a JPEG only device and is not capable of RAW exposures unlike the RX100 which limits its resolution and throws away many pixels when it saves its files. Reviews shows it can lock up when presented with a complex image such as tree branches with twigs at the edge of a frame. Most reviews rate it at 2.5 stars out of 5 stars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted December 28, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 28, 2015 i must admit i got mine for the novelty value but its still a good camera, i didn't buy it as a replacement my main camera and i wouldnt use it as a complete replacement, more of a compliment to it, and i use the iphone camera for quick shots while out and about anyway ive not experienced mine locking up, an issue you can get is loss of wifi signal if you get too far away from the lens (which is a no brainer really) i think i gave £90 used from CEX for my xq-10 about 18 months ago, 2nd hand they have dropped down to around the £70 mark in there now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Graff Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) It is a similar sensor to the RX100 but apparently not the same. The QX100 lens unit is also a JPEG only device and is not capable of RAW exposures unlike the RX100 which limits its resolution and throws away many pixels when it saves its files. Reviews shows it can lock up when presented with a complex image such as tree branches with twigs at the edge of a frame. Most reviews rate it at 2.5 stars out of 5 stars.The new firmware has made the early glitches a non issue according to M3 magazine.And RAW? I can't edit RAW in my tablet anyway. So that is also a non issue for me. It is rated 4 out of 5 by me, and that is what counts. Besides, tbe ratings on newer reviews are in the 4 out of 5 range. It is very suitable for the job I need it for. Edit: the lag and lock up are almost all on iOs. Edited December 28, 2015 by M Graff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted December 28, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 28, 2015 The firmware update definatly made it more stable than when i first got it, must check on the sony site if there are any futher ones as ive not done it for a good 12 months, the last one added a couple of extra features to do with the focusing 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkeNd Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) The new firmware has made the early glitches a non issue according to M3 magazine. And RAW? I can't edit RAW in my tablet anyway. So that is also a non issue for me. It is rated 4 out of 5 by me, and that is what counts. Besides, tbe ratings on newer reviews are in the 4 out of 5 range. It is very suitable for the job I need it for. Edit: the lag and lock up are almost all on iOs. Why can you not edit RAW files on your tablet? Photoshop Express is a free app with RAW processing ability. If you look at your photos you have both burned out highlights and heavily blocked shadow details in the same shots. RAW would enable you to recover detail in both rather than this detail being discarded by your JPEGs. A conventional Panasonic micro 4/3 compact with about 25mp and RAW may just surprise you - try this for instance. And this is just a 16mp Panasonic GX1X but shooting RAW and converted in Aperture 3. Usually I use a Nikon D810 but find micro 4/3 can really perform if you shoot RAW. Try to lose the JPEGs as soon as you can. Edited December 29, 2015 by ParkeNd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Graff Posted December 29, 2015 Author Share Posted December 29, 2015 So, you compare the results of no added light photo's taken without reflectors, with outside shots!? Okay.... just to get a different opinion, as you seem to be very opinionated against anything that is outside the standard sphere, my friend who is a prize winning photographer saw my pics and said that: 1- the depth of field was very good, better than his SLR's ever could manage. And 2- that the low light results were very much better than his digital Leica could manage. So, show me your inside, no added light other than 2! 4 watt LEDs with better resolution or quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkeNd Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 So, you compare the results of no added light photo's taken without reflectors, with outside shots!? Okay.... just to get a different opinion, as you seem to be very opinionated against anything that is outside the standard sphere, my friend who is a prize winning photographer saw my pics and said that: 1- the depth of field was very good, better than his SLR's ever could manage. And 2- that the low light results were very much better than his digital Leica could manage. So, show me your inside, no added light other than 2! 4 watt LEDs with better resolution or quality. You can already compare your outside photos with a micro 4/3 outside photo. I don't deliberately take photos with less than the best kit I have - unless there is a risk of it being taken off me and then I take the Panasonic. Here is micro 4/3 in RAW taken inside in low light with absolutely no additional photographic lighting. And picking up your point aimed at the inadequacy of DSLR's for layout photos. This is a DSLR shot from last week of part of my N gauge layout. Single flash bounced off the ceiling. If only depth of field is your requirement then going to the smallest sensor you can find - like an iPhone - will meet this need - but with big limitations elsewhere. This is my final post on the topic - and yes I am opinionated when there are facts and evidence to balance against claims - the £120 you spent on your Sony beats a camera phone and was not much money for any photographic device - but in terms of the absolutes you claim for it, your pictures are neither sharp nor well exposed in comparison with alternatives available at modest cost - but you do need to be open minded to reap the benefits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Graff Posted December 29, 2015 Author Share Posted December 29, 2015 Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Graff Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 Some more pics: Getting there slowly... :-) 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Louch Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Apologies for highjacking someone else's thread however, I too have a 'new toy'!! Just had a play with new camera and lenses and some resultas attached. Particularly pleased with 'low-level' shot of 9F - camera has a 'tilt viewfinder' so I can get low without having to kneel in the detritus of Ropley Yard!! Andy 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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