16'' Manning Wardle 0-6-0 (Corby design)

[rope runner]

Hi All, 

 

Does anyone have a copy (or knows where I can get one) of a general arrangement drawing for a 16'' Manning Wardle 0-6-0 of the type used at Corby Steel Works?

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/31514768@N05/3805218688

 

The design also carried over to Kitson and RSH, who built several locomotives to an almost identical spec. Drawings of one of these would also do... 

 

Many thanks

 

Paul A. 

 

 

Edited November 18, 2016 by 1whitemoor

[Mark Saunders]

Paul

 

Alas I can't help with the locomotive, but it is a nice picture of the digger trolley, I wonder if it's the same one that is now at Cottesmore?

 

Mark Saunders

[wagonbasher]

Paul

 

Alas I can't help with the locomotive, but it is a nice picture of the digger trolley, I wonder if it's the same one that is now at Cottesmore?

 

Mark Saunders

Hi All, 

 

Does anyone have a copy (or knows where I can get one) of a general arrangement drawing for a 16'' Manning Wardle 0-6-0 of the type used at Corby Steel Works?

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/31514768@N05/3805218688

 

The design also carried over to Kitson and RSH, who built several locomotives to an almost identical spec. Drawings of one of these would also do... 

 

Many thanks

 

Paul A.

 

The write up suggests they were 15" ?

 

Andy

[avonside1563]

The write up suggests they were 15" ?

 

Andy

Only the first ones Andy, the later batches were 16"

[RANGERS]

Cottesmore might be a good starting point, followed by the Industrial Railway Society.

[rope runner]

Paul

 

Alas I can't help with the locomotive, but it is a nice picture of the digger trolley, I wonder if it's the same one that is now at Cottesmore?

 

Mark Saunders

Hi Mark, 

 

It is. We also have the runner wagon seen in the photo, both lasted until the closure of the system.

 

Cottesmore might be a good starting point, followed by the Industrial Railway Society.

Alas, Cottesmore has nothing in the "archives". I've posted on the IRS yahoo group also, but no takers yet. 

 

Paul A.

[Adam]

Possibly the Leeds Industrial Museum (or Statfold farm? Wasn't Hunslet the successor to Kitson and Manning, Wardle?).

 

I understand that most of the RSH material is at the NRM - based on a search of the National Register of Archives, now part of the National Archives' "Discovery" search facility: http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=robert%20stephenson%20and%20hawthorn

 

Adam

[rope runner]

Hi Adam, 

 

Thanks for those ideas. I'll try Statfold, as I hadn't considered this.

 

I will also try the NRM next time I'm in the vicinity, although I don't hold out too much hope as only a relative handful were made, they may well have used MW/Kitson plans.

 

Paul A. 

[rope runner]

Not an GA drawing, but try the North Norfolk Railway as there was a drawing of K 5470 No 44 Conway which isn't to a normal scale as this drawing was in an early M&GNJR journal. 

Any idea which issue this was? Presumably it was No.45 Colwyn, which was at the North Norfolk. No.44 is currently at Shildon undergoing cosmetic restoration. Unfortunately, they are not working to any plans, though I have been told I am welcome to measure it up - obviously this would be quite time consuming and drawn-out, so I'd rather have a simple drawing to start with...

 

Paul A. 

[Osgood]

Paul - I think this is the drawing referred to from the NNR / Joint Line magazine.  I would be a little wary of relying on scaled measurements.

 

Tony

 

Edited May 21, 2016 by Osgood

[rope runner]

Thanks Tony for scanning that, it's a good starting point.

 

I will double check the measurements when I measure the real thing - it does at least give me a drawing on which to annotate. 

 

Paul A. 

[wagonbasher]

I'm pleased your going to measure the real thing... It is the assured route. Ideal to have a drawing to measure against.

 

I measured up a wooden working boat at else mere port, the thing was half submerged, I never did make a model but me and a mate had a great afternoon climbing over the thing

 

Good luck with the project

 

Andy

[rope runner]

Hi All, 

 

 

I now have something more tangible to share on this project. In fact, you could say it's come on leaps and bounds.

 

I'm using etches and castings from the Agenoria "Cleobury" type Manning Wardle kit to kitbash a pair of these locos in 4mm scale. 

The build will be supplemented by some simple etches from my own artwork, which were produced for me by PPD Ltd. These being the chassis, connecting rods, footplate, buffer beams, tank and cab rear. 

 

It's fairly basic, built to 00 gauge with no compensation etc. My soldering ability is also fairly basic!

 

I'll be taking the next week of work, during which time I'm hoping to build 90% of the model - and I'll be updating as I go...

 

The progress so far:

 

 

Folded up, with brake hangers in position (not trimmed to length yet)

 

 

Hoping for quick progress - I'm planning to build a pair of them. 

 

Paul A. 

 

[RANGERS]

Hi All, 

 

222.jpg

 

I now have something more tangible to share on this project. In fact, you could say it's come on leaps and bounds.

 

I'm using etches and castings from the Agenoria "Cleobury" type Manning Wardle kit to kitbash a pair of these locos in 4mm scale. 

The build will be supplemented by some simple etches from my own artwork, which were produced for me by PPD Ltd. These being the chassis, connecting rods, footplate, buffer beams, tank and cab rear. 

 

It's fairly basic, built to 00 gauge with no compensation etc. My soldering ability is also fairly basic!

 

I'll be taking the next week of work, during which time I'm hoping to build 90% of the model - and I'll be updating as I go...

 

The progress so far:

 

DSC_0036.JPG

 

Folded up, with brake hangers in position (not trimmed to length yet)

 

DSC_0035 (2).JPG

 

Hoping for quick progress - I'm planning to build a pair of them. 

 

Paul A. 

 

Looks promising. I'll be following closely, looking forward to seeing the results.

 

I believe etched plates are available for at least some of the Corby locos.

[Adam]

Ambis do plates for quite a few of the Stewarts and Lloyds engines - I've used the plates for Carnarvon:

 

http://www.ambisengineering.co.uk/

 

Adam

[rope runner]

Today has seen the assembling of the brakes and rods. At the moment the brakes are just soldered to flat strip. I'll need something to mimic threaded bar to go on the end. Again, I can only apologize for my soldering skills. 

 

Ignore the break hangers reference I made before - these locos have a different arrangement to the aforementioned Cleobury type, so I've had to knock something else together this morning. 

 

 

The whole thing rolls freely, which was a pleasant surprise. I etched the rods to accept Romford crank pins immediately, so I didn't have to ream them out as per usual 4mm loco kits...

 

 

I've also folded up the footplate. 

 

 

Next up, to look at the buffer beams and cab. 

 

 

Ambis do plates for quite a few of the Stewarts and Lloyds engines - I've used the plates for Carnarvon:

http://www.ambisengineering.co.uk/

Adam

Hi Adam, 

 

Yes, indeed they do. They also include the internal number oval plate. I've used a set on RHOS as below, another S&L Minerals Corby loco: 

 

 

Paul A. 

[phil_sutters]

While on the subject of Manning Wardle 0-6-0STs - am I right in thinking that this is one on their's? The cab has been extended forward to meet the back of the saddle tank. The photo is from a 1928 Railway Magazine article on The Railways of Mesopotamia. (Well out of copyright I think) The caption says all the information given. I guess that this would have been the metre gauge rather than 2'6", which was the other frequently used narrow gauge.

Edited November 19, 2016 by phil_sutters

[PGH]

While on the subject of Manning Wardle 0-6-0STs - am I right in thinking that this is one on their's? The cab has been extended forward to meet the back of the saddle tank. The photo is from a 1928 Railway Magazine article on The Railways of Mesopotamia. (Well out of copyright I think) The caption says all the information given. I guess that this would have been the metre gauge rather than 2'6", which was the other frequently used narrow gauge.

Elephanta 0-6-0ST Iraq WW1.jpg

 

This would be Manning Wardle works no.1673, a Class M loco built to standard gauge and despatched new in February 1906 to Price, Wills & Reeves (contractors), Bombay.

It still looks as built in the photo, so presumably still standard gauge.

Edited November 19, 2016 by PGH

[phil_sutters]

This would be Manning Wardle works no.1673, a Class M loco built to standard gauge and despatched new in February 1906 to Price, Wills & Reeves (contractors), Bombay.

It still looks as built in the photo, so presumably still standard gauge.

I have to say that it didn't look narrow gauge to me, despite the Railway Magazine caption.

Sorry to have barged in on an interesting construction thread, but having people, knowledgeable about MW locos. around, seemed like an opportunity to clear up a puzzle for me. Thanks.

[rope runner]

Hi All, 

 

A few more bits done today - cab sides and front assembled from the Agenoria etches.  A couple of hand rail holes have been intentionally filled with solder.

 

 

Rear windows were etched from my own artwork, these should have slightly rounded corners but I won't lose any sleep over it. These windows were modifications carried by S&L, and are different to the standard circular portholes. 

 

 

I'm still on the lookout for an appropriate mechanical lubricator for this loco - if anyone has any ideas...

 

 

Paul A. 

Edited November 20, 2016 by 1whitemoor

[rope runner]

More progress once again. 

 

The new tank wrapper (longer version of that supplied with the kit) appears to have served its purpose. The ends are from the Agenoria bits. Pretty sneaky eh? 

 

 

The smoke box went together ok - though the wrapper for this was etched a tad short. I left tags (see above posts) between the left and right footplate to fold up and fix the springs to, and the reversing leaver is scrap etch, as the Agenoria one is now too short. 

 

Paul A. 

 

 

[rope runner]

Hi All, 

 

 

 

Today saw the fitting of the sand boxes, buffer beam laminations and coupling hooks. 

 

Also added are the "safety chains" which were worn by many of the S&L Corby locos. Latterly, these were even fitted to the ex-BR class 14's and Steelman locos which took over from steam. The chains were used whenever the locos were coupling to the PW vans, which often carried staff and supplies between areas under maintenance. A number of these vehicles have been presevred at Rocks by Rail, Rutland - note the safety chains still in-situ.

 

Whether these would really be man-enough to stop a runaway on a steep quarry line, in the event of the main coupling failing, is probably debatable. 

 

 

By I'm starting to think about pipework and appropriate footsteps. I'll only add the white metal castings once all the brass has been added. It's actually a fairly large loco by industrial standards, seen here with an old Airfix Austerity. 

 

 

That's all for now folks

 

Paul A. 

 

 

 

 

[avonside1563]

Hi All, 

 

DSC_0042.JPG

 

 

Today saw the fitting of the sand boxes, buffer beam laminations and coupling hooks. 

 

Also added are the "safety chains" which were worn by many of the S&L Corby locos. Latterly, these were even fitted to the ex-BR class 14's and Steelman locos which took over from steam. The chains were used whenever the locos were coupling to the PW vans, which often carried staff and supplies between areas under maintenance. A number of these vehicles have been presevred at Rocks by Rail, Rutland - note the safety chains still in-situ.

 

Whether these would really be man-enough to stop a runaway on a steep quarry line, in the event of the main coupling failing, is probably debatable. 

 

corby coupings.jpg

 

That's all for now folks

 

Paul A. 

When it first started operating as a preserved railway Foxfield used safety chains well into the 1970s in lieu of vacuum brakes and they were tested on the 1 in 19 before being sanctioned for use.

[rope runner]

Hi All, 

 

A few more bits added. Namely all the footsteps, blower pipe, injectors for one side and the Stones generator pipework. 

 

 

The kit will be built up as MW1762 of 1910 "Dolobran", internal number "38". In the last few years in active service, she was fitted with a Stones generator and electric headlamps. As far as I'm aware, this was the only 16'' 0-6-0 of this design so-fitted by S&L.  

 

The newer "56 Class" locos by RSH were all equipped with these, so it's possible that "38" was a test-bed, for retro-fitting the earlier locos of the fleet. 

 

For those unfamiliar with the Stones generator, here's an old advert by the manufacturer. Of course, I'm lucky that RTmodels have one in their range of detailing parts (seen posed on the footplate, above). 

 

 

That's all for now. 

 

Paul A. 

[rope runner]

Hi All,

 

The soldering of the model has now been taken as far as I'm willing to go. Headlights, whistle, etc. added today

 

 

 

Also added is the pipework and push rods for the apparatus which drops water in front of the flanges on the leading and trailing wheel sets. This was a common practice on quite a few ironstone quarry locomotives, the rationale being that this would minimize flange wear/noise round tight corners. 

 

 

Next will be a good clean (I'll stock up on some fibreglass brushes at Warley), then the white metal castings can go on, followed by the hand rails.

 

Paul A.