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Hey all,

 

I'll soon be starting construction on my portable South London based layout, and before starting anything, I really need a track plan. 

 

I just wondered if anybody had any accurate, clear track plans of either Kensington Olympia, Penge West, Forest Hill (Overground), Sydenham (Overground), or indeed any other similar South London/West London Station?

 

Cheers,

Matt

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Hey all,

 

I'll soon be starting construction on my portable South London based layout, and before starting anything, I really need a track plan. 

 

I just wondered if anybody had any accurate, clear track plans of either Kensington Olympia, Penge West, Forest Hill (Overground), Sydenham (Overground), or indeed any other similar South London/West London Station?

 

Cheers,

Matt

 

Era please - it makes a big difference. For example Kensington Olympia has, since the early 90s consisted of nothing more than a very long platform loop, 2 main lines (the easternmost having a newish 8 car platform built out over the lifted loop to serve it) and a couple of back to back crossovers at the south end to facilitate bi-directional working.

 

For todays situation this site may be of interest:-

http://carto.metro.free.fr/cartes/metro-london/index.php

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Era please - it makes a big difference. For example Kensington Olympia has, since the early 90s consisted of nothing more than a very long platform loop, 2 main lines (the easternmost having a newish 8 car platform built out over the lifted loop to serve it) and a couple of back to back crossovers at the south end to facilitate bi-directional working.

 

For todays situation this site may be of interest:-

http://carto.metro.free.fr/cartes/metro-london/index.php

 

Ah yes, sorry, I did mean to put the era. I'm going to me modelling the present day.

 

Cheers,

Matt

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Ah yes, sorry, I did mean to put the era. I'm going to me modelling the present day.

 

Cheers,

Matt

 

I see - well unfortunately most suburban stations in South London are going to be pretty boring to model with simply two running lines as well as solely featuring trains that will require scratchbuilding (e.g. Electrostars and 455s).

 

The best candidates if you want a bit of variety in traffic terms would probably be stations on the Catford loop south London line (used by freight for the Channel tunnel) or the South London line through Denmark Hill and Brixton is another possibility as that adds the option of freight to the likes of Hoo Junction to Channel tunnel traffic. Obviously the West London line also adds traffic from Sussex to the mix as well.

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I see - well unfortunately most suburban stations in South London are going to be pretty boring to model with simply two running lines as well as solely featuring trains that will require scratchbuilding (e.g. Electrostars and 455s).

 

The best candidates if you want a bit of variety in traffic terms would probably be stations on the Catford loop south London line (used by freight for the Channel tunnel) or the South London line through Denmark Hill and Brixton is another possibility as that adds the option of freight to the likes of Hoo Junction to Channel tunnel traffic. Obviously the West London line also adds traffic from Sussex to the mix as well.

 

I guess you're right, but Kensington Olympia has some interesting movements, with passenger, freight and even the occasional rail tour.

 

I'll keep having a look though :)

 

Cheers,

Matt

You can get accurate plans by looking at Google Earth/Maps plus it even has a handy measuring tool.

 

Cheers, Mike

 

Actually, I've been doing just that this afternoon ;)

 

Cheers,

Matt

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I see - well unfortunately most suburban stations in South London are going to be pretty boring to model with simply two running lines as well as solely featuring trains that will require scratchbuilding (e.g. Electrostars and 455s).

 

The best candidates if you want a bit of variety in traffic terms would probably be stations on the Catford loop south London line (used by freight for the Channel tunnel) or the South London line through Denmark Hill and Brixton is another possibility as that adds the option of freight to the likes of Hoo Junction to Channel tunnel traffic. Obviously the West London line also adds traffic from Sussex to the mix as well.

 

Bratchell Models do a 455 and 456 so no need for scratchbuilding those. People have made 377s from Bachmann 170s before now (as shown on this here forum). A 376 is a more difficult prospect (and just typical that I'd like one eventually). As is 365/465s.

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Era please - it makes a big difference. For example Kensington Olympia has, since the early 90s consisted of nothing more than a very long platform loop, 2 main lines (the easternmost having a newish 8 car platform built out over the lifted loop to serve it) and a couple of back to back crossovers at the south end to facilitate bi-directional working.

 

 

 

Don't forget the District Line! Even though operation on weekdays is extremely limited (much to the chagrin of Tube Challengers!), there is a train every 20 minutes on Saturdays.

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Don't forget the District Line! Even though operation on weekdays is extremely limited (much to the chagrin of Tube Challengers!), there is a train every 20 minutes on Saturdays.

 

Of course! The single tube platform! That'd also add variety. If only I could get my hands on the new Bachmann Tube Stock in the future ;)

 

Cheers,

Matt

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More West than South, but somewhere like Feltham has a mix of Class 450, 455 and 458, plus freight. Also diversions when engineering work on SWML, so brings in Class 444. Regular steam specials too.

 

Station a mix of the old and modern. Good scenic break at one end (road overbridge), with a level crossing at the other (and footbridges). Plus bus interchange.

 

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I am really struggling to think of any location in South London that is of a reasonable size to model in 4mm and yet has any operating interest as a layout.

 

Perhaps the OP needs to look a bit further out for somewhere with a freight siding of some sort and/or terminating passenger trains.

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South Tottenham? It's North East London, but there's at least something going on there; the GOB trains aren't a massive stretch from a 170, there should be freight and some operation on the Lea Valley to Southbury loop route. It's also got short platforms...

Or somewhere on the Hounslow loop, maybe?

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More West than South, but somewhere like Feltham has a mix of Class 450, 455 and 458, plus freight. Also diversions when engineering work on SWML, so brings in Class 444. Regular steam specials too.

 

Station a mix of the old and modern. Good scenic break at one end (road overbridge), with a level crossing at the other (and footbridges). Plus bus interchange.

 

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That view will be history by this time next year as Network Rail want to close the crossing to extend the platforms. The Southern Railway concrete footbridge on which the photographer is standing will also be gone.

 

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More West than South, but somewhere like Feltham has a mix of Class 450, 455 and 458, plus freight. Also diversions when engineering work on SWML, so brings in Class 444. Regular steam specials too.

 

Station a mix of the old and modern. Good scenic break at one end (road overbridge), with a level crossing at the other (and footbridges). Plus bus interchange.

 

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Hi Peter,

Very interesting and certainly something to look into. Might have a job scratch building stock, but I'm sure I can cross that bridge when it comes to it :)

 

Cheers for the photo and suggestion,

matt

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South Tottenham? It's North East London, but there's at least something going on there; the GOB trains aren't a massive stretch from a 170, there should be freight and some operation on the Lea Valley to Southbury loop route. It's also got short platforms...

Or somewhere on the Hounslow loop, maybe?

 

Having seen South Tottenham multiple times, I certainly agree that it has a decent range of stock. Although it is NE London as you have said, I'm sure I could use a bit of 'rule 1' to add even more interest to the operation of the layout ;)

 

Cheers,

Matt

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That said, unless you're really set on modelling a prototype station, there's nothing to stop you "inventing" one of your own, taking elements from one or more different stations and maybe adding some more e.g. Tube or Tramlink connections.

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Don't forget the District Line! Even though operation on weekdays is extremely limited (much to the chagrin of Tube Challengers!), there is a train every 20 minutes on Saturdays.

 

The District has been one of Sullivan's buses since before Christmas. According to District Dave, there isn't enough capacity to cross over the trains to Olympia.

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The District has been one of Sullivan's buses since before Christmas. According to District Dave, there isn't enough capacity to cross over the trains to Olympia.

Strange, I haven't seen anything about that on the Tube Challenge forum, and one member of that Forum completed a Full Network Challenge in April, including visiting Olympia bu District Line...

 

And come to think of it, I went to Olympia on the District Line in February when I was setting the current record for visiting all the Zone 1 and Zone 2 Underground stations.

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Tried to post this yesterday - but the Post hung.

 

There is a book, London Railway Atlas by Joe Brown, publishers Ian Allan.  It gives maps of all lines within zone 6 including all Underground Surface and Tube lines.  All municipal railways including power stations and sewage works.  It even includes the Battersea Park minature railway - and Crossrail.

 

The details include who built the line, trackwork (sidings etc.) and evolution.  For some places such as Stratford, there are multi maps as it is not possible to show the evolution in one diagram.  Also some complex junctions etc are shown to an enlarged scale.

 

Might be worth a look before committing to a particular track plan? 

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That said, unless you're really set on modelling a prototype station, there's nothing to stop you "inventing" one of your own, taking elements from one or more different stations and maybe adding some more e.g. Tube or Tramlink connections.

 

Well this really is what I'm considering. I might take ideas from several stations that spring to mind and create my own fictional, yet 'accurate' South London station of my own :)

 

Cheers,

Matt

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