Southern_Trains_Fan Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Hey all, I'll soon be starting construction on my portable South London based layout, and before starting anything, I really need a track plan. I just wondered if anybody had any accurate, clear track plans of either Kensington Olympia, Penge West, Forest Hill (Overground), Sydenham (Overground), or indeed any other similar South London/West London Station? Cheers, Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted June 1, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 1, 2016 Hey all, I'll soon be starting construction on my portable South London based layout, and before starting anything, I really need a track plan. I just wondered if anybody had any accurate, clear track plans of either Kensington Olympia, Penge West, Forest Hill (Overground), Sydenham (Overground), or indeed any other similar South London/West London Station? Cheers, Matt Era please - it makes a big difference. For example Kensington Olympia has, since the early 90s consisted of nothing more than a very long platform loop, 2 main lines (the easternmost having a newish 8 car platform built out over the lifted loop to serve it) and a couple of back to back crossovers at the south end to facilitate bi-directional working. For todays situation this site may be of interest:- http://carto.metro.free.fr/cartes/metro-london/index.php Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Trains_Fan Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 Era please - it makes a big difference. For example Kensington Olympia has, since the early 90s consisted of nothing more than a very long platform loop, 2 main lines (the easternmost having a newish 8 car platform built out over the lifted loop to serve it) and a couple of back to back crossovers at the south end to facilitate bi-directional working. For todays situation this site may be of interest:- http://carto.metro.free.fr/cartes/metro-london/index.php Ah yes, sorry, I did mean to put the era. I'm going to me modelling the present day. Cheers, Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted June 1, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 1, 2016 Ah yes, sorry, I did mean to put the era. I'm going to me modelling the present day. Cheers, Matt I see - well unfortunately most suburban stations in South London are going to be pretty boring to model with simply two running lines as well as solely featuring trains that will require scratchbuilding (e.g. Electrostars and 455s). The best candidates if you want a bit of variety in traffic terms would probably be stations on the Catford loop south London line (used by freight for the Channel tunnel) or the South London line through Denmark Hill and Brixton is another possibility as that adds the option of freight to the likes of Hoo Junction to Channel tunnel traffic. Obviously the West London line also adds traffic from Sussex to the mix as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted June 1, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 1, 2016 You can get accurate plans by looking at Google Earth/Maps plus it even has a handy measuring tool. Cheers, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Trains_Fan Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 I see - well unfortunately most suburban stations in South London are going to be pretty boring to model with simply two running lines as well as solely featuring trains that will require scratchbuilding (e.g. Electrostars and 455s). The best candidates if you want a bit of variety in traffic terms would probably be stations on the Catford loop south London line (used by freight for the Channel tunnel) or the South London line through Denmark Hill and Brixton is another possibility as that adds the option of freight to the likes of Hoo Junction to Channel tunnel traffic. Obviously the West London line also adds traffic from Sussex to the mix as well. I guess you're right, but Kensington Olympia has some interesting movements, with passenger, freight and even the occasional rail tour. I'll keep having a look though Cheers, Matt You can get accurate plans by looking at Google Earth/Maps plus it even has a handy measuring tool. Cheers, Mike Actually, I've been doing just that this afternoon Cheers, Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 I see - well unfortunately most suburban stations in South London are going to be pretty boring to model with simply two running lines as well as solely featuring trains that will require scratchbuilding (e.g. Electrostars and 455s). The best candidates if you want a bit of variety in traffic terms would probably be stations on the Catford loop south London line (used by freight for the Channel tunnel) or the South London line through Denmark Hill and Brixton is another possibility as that adds the option of freight to the likes of Hoo Junction to Channel tunnel traffic. Obviously the West London line also adds traffic from Sussex to the mix as well. Bratchell Models do a 455 and 456 so no need for scratchbuilding those. People have made 377s from Bachmann 170s before now (as shown on this here forum). A 376 is a more difficult prospect (and just typical that I'd like one eventually). As is 365/465s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Era please - it makes a big difference. For example Kensington Olympia has, since the early 90s consisted of nothing more than a very long platform loop, 2 main lines (the easternmost having a newish 8 car platform built out over the lifted loop to serve it) and a couple of back to back crossovers at the south end to facilitate bi-directional working. Don't forget the District Line! Even though operation on weekdays is extremely limited (much to the chagrin of Tube Challengers!), there is a train every 20 minutes on Saturdays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 I can't find it right now but somewhere I do have a book which contains relatively modern plans of most of the railways South of the Thames, though alas not to scale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Trains_Fan Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 Don't forget the District Line! Even though operation on weekdays is extremely limited (much to the chagrin of Tube Challengers!), there is a train every 20 minutes on Saturdays. Of course! The single tube platform! That'd also add variety. If only I could get my hands on the new Bachmann Tube Stock in the future Cheers, Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 More West than South, but somewhere like Feltham has a mix of Class 450, 455 and 458, plus freight. Also diversions when engineering work on SWML, so brings in Class 444. Regular steam specials too. Station a mix of the old and modern. Good scenic break at one end (road overbridge), with a level crossing at the other (and footbridges). Plus bus interchange. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted June 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2016 I am really struggling to think of any location in South London that is of a reasonable size to model in 4mm and yet has any operating interest as a layout. Perhaps the OP needs to look a bit further out for somewhere with a freight siding of some sort and/or terminating passenger trains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 South Tottenham? It's North East London, but there's at least something going on there; the GOB trains aren't a massive stretch from a 170, there should be freight and some operation on the Lea Valley to Southbury loop route. It's also got short platforms... Or somewhere on the Hounslow loop, maybe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 2mmMark Posted June 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2016 More West than South, but somewhere like Feltham has a mix of Class 450, 455 and 458, plus freight. Also diversions when engineering work on SWML, so brings in Class 444. Regular steam specials too. Station a mix of the old and modern. Good scenic break at one end (road overbridge), with a level crossing at the other (and footbridges). Plus bus interchange. DSCN0604.JPG That view will be history by this time next year as Network Rail want to close the crossing to extend the platforms. The Southern Railway concrete footbridge on which the photographer is standing will also be gone. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Trains_Fan Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 More West than South, but somewhere like Feltham has a mix of Class 450, 455 and 458, plus freight. Also diversions when engineering work on SWML, so brings in Class 444. Regular steam specials too. Station a mix of the old and modern. Good scenic break at one end (road overbridge), with a level crossing at the other (and footbridges). Plus bus interchange. DSCN0604.JPG Hi Peter, Very interesting and certainly something to look into. Might have a job scratch building stock, but I'm sure I can cross that bridge when it comes to it Cheers for the photo and suggestion, matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Trains_Fan Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 South Tottenham? It's North East London, but there's at least something going on there; the GOB trains aren't a massive stretch from a 170, there should be freight and some operation on the Lea Valley to Southbury loop route. It's also got short platforms... Or somewhere on the Hounslow loop, maybe? Having seen South Tottenham multiple times, I certainly agree that it has a decent range of stock. Although it is NE London as you have said, I'm sure I could use a bit of 'rule 1' to add even more interest to the operation of the layout Cheers, Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 A little bit bigger, but what about Richmond? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 That said, unless you're really set on modelling a prototype station, there's nothing to stop you "inventing" one of your own, taking elements from one or more different stations and maybe adding some more e.g. Tube or Tramlink connections. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Don't forget the District Line! Even though operation on weekdays is extremely limited (much to the chagrin of Tube Challengers!), there is a train every 20 minutes on Saturdays. The District has been one of Sullivan's buses since before Christmas. According to District Dave, there isn't enough capacity to cross over the trains to Olympia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 How about modelling Clapham Junction? A bit of variety there.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 The District has been one of Sullivan's buses since before Christmas. According to District Dave, there isn't enough capacity to cross over the trains to Olympia. Strange, I haven't seen anything about that on the Tube Challenge forum, and one member of that Forum completed a Full Network Challenge in April, including visiting Olympia bu District Line... And come to think of it, I went to Olympia on the District Line in February when I was setting the current record for visiting all the Zone 1 and Zone 2 Underground stations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I may be Barking up the wrong tree here.......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Just let me know which couple of stations you'd like maps for and i'll PM them over (can't share on here). I have access to a detailed mapping tool that's very useful for modern track layouts and building positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knitpick Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Tried to post this yesterday - but the Post hung. There is a book, London Railway Atlas by Joe Brown, publishers Ian Allan. It gives maps of all lines within zone 6 including all Underground Surface and Tube lines. All municipal railways including power stations and sewage works. It even includes the Battersea Park minature railway - and Crossrail. The details include who built the line, trackwork (sidings etc.) and evolution. For some places such as Stratford, there are multi maps as it is not possible to show the evolution in one diagram. Also some complex junctions etc are shown to an enlarged scale. Might be worth a look before committing to a particular track plan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Trains_Fan Posted June 3, 2016 Author Share Posted June 3, 2016 That said, unless you're really set on modelling a prototype station, there's nothing to stop you "inventing" one of your own, taking elements from one or more different stations and maybe adding some more e.g. Tube or Tramlink connections. Well this really is what I'm considering. I might take ideas from several stations that spring to mind and create my own fictional, yet 'accurate' South London station of my own Cheers, Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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