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Just had a trawl through some old notes for workings with the yellow Railease ones. Interestingly, these sightings had relatively few of them, and they were mixed in with other wagon types, including non-car traffic:

 

Queenborough car terminal, Aug 1982, dotted around, some RLS944xx together with a PKA pair RLS92024+25, and MAT cartic-4s.

(There was car import/export traffic via Sheerness)
 
Passing Leicester March 1983, three, RLS94409/18/08, in a train with six MAT cartic-4s - nice and long.
 
Passing Strood, March 1983, a mixed working from Sheerness, with 4 Sheerness Steel bogie opens, 3 SPAs, 3 pairs of PKA car carriers in the RLS92xxx series, and carflats RLS94419/10 at the back.
 
parked at Bordesley (Birmingham) April 1983, carflats MAT94028/120/142/094 (another variant), carflats RLS94424/01/08, PKA RLS92302+03
 
parked in Hoo Junction April 1983, one RLS944xx along with MAT cartic-4s, more PKAs.
 
Passing Strood April 1983, a train to Sheerness again, with 2 BDAs top and tailed by runner wagons for overhanging steel, then 5 pairs of PKA and 5 RLS944xx carflats.
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Price is pretty good by current standards, albeit that they are able to use quite a lot of existing components.

 

Out of the main holiday season, I think that some of the Motorail trains would have been quite short formations. Maybe someone on here has details and/or photos.

 

and of course I cannot remember where exactly, but I have seen a photo in the net of the Brockenhurst portion of the Motorail Service to Stirling with 4 coaches, 2 sleepers, and 2 day coaches

 

I like this photo in the net showing a RR on a Anglo Scottish service!!

 

http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scot-rail.co.uk%2Fphoto%2Fscaled%2F17642.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scot-rail.co.uk%2Fphoto%2Fscaled%2F17642%2F&h=529&w=800&tbnid=b71abvuyF_TYlM%3A&docid=t_LXWdtcqFwSqM&ei=DQiOV4WUJIKiU7vfhPAL&tbm=isch&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=394&page=1&start=0&ndsp=38&ved=0ahUKEwjFzoXTr__NAhUC0RQKHbsvAb4QMwg2KAwwDA&safe=active&bih=950&biw=1920

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"Diesels on the Western" by Michael Welch, page 89.  Photo of a maroon Western on a Tavistock Junction to Severn Tunnel Junction freight, composed almost entirely of empty Carflats, with a tube wagon and a Vanfit at the end.

 

Not strictly the NGsoc model, since they're pre-nationalisation rather than Mk1 underframes. But any idea what the traffic flow might have been?   

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According to the 1985 BR(M) Passenger Train Marshalling listings, Euston-Stirling trains appeared to use GUV vans north bound and FVV carflats south bound. Both trains were formed of a BFK and 6 FKs together with 11 carflats or GUVs. Thanks quite a long train!

 

As a rule of thumb BR reserved one compartment per vehicle, so you'd roughly have twice as many carflats as passenger carriages.

 

Happy modelling.

 

Steven B.

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Just found an example in my notes of a train of mixed liveries, including Motorail examples in a non-Motorail train in the high season.

Warrington 28 June 1983, loco 47373 with 14 brown/bauxite ones, 1 blue one with no branding and 5 blue ones branded "Motorail" (all coded FVV)

 

And the following day at Preston, a single yellow Railease one in a mixed AB train:

loco 85030 with RLS94414, a VDA, two OBA (of which one departmental ZDA), two caustic soda TTA tanks, one OAA.

 

So if you can't afford 20 for the first train, just buy 1 yellow one for the second!

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Don't have photos to prove it, but I can remember Motorail-branded Carflats on the evening Eastleigh-Willesden Speedlink, loaded with Transits. Would probably have been just after the WCML trains had gone over to GUVs?

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Just a thought on the Carflats; Oxford's OO model is to feature chocks, which presumably will help to fix the vehicles on board. Whether these will be practical for N is debatable, but they'd look rather good if made to scale.

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Don't have photos to prove it, but I can remember Motorail-branded Carflats on the evening Eastleigh-Willesden Speedlink, loaded with Transits. Would probably have been just after the WCML trains had gone over to GUVs?

The use of 'Motorail'-branded Carflats for trade car traffic was usual outside of the peak traffic flows, even before their use on Motorail traffic was reduced. I'm not sure if it worked the other way, with nominally 'freight' vehicles being used on Motorail.

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and of course I cannot remember where exactly, but I have seen a photo in the net of the Brockenhurst portion of the Motorail Service to Stirling with 4 coaches, 2 sleepers, and 2 day coaches

 

I like this photo in the net showing a RR on a Anglo Scottish service!!

 

http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scot-rail.co.uk%2Fphoto%2Fscaled%2F17642.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scot-rail.co.uk%2Fphoto%2Fscaled%2F17642%2F&h=529&w=800&tbnid=b71abvuyF_TYlM%3A&docid=t_LXWdtcqFwSqM&ei=DQiOV4WUJIKiU7vfhPAL&tbm=isch&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=394&page=1&start=0&ndsp=38&ved=0ahUKEwjFzoXTr__NAhUC0RQKHbsvAb4QMwg2KAwwDA&safe=active&bih=950&biw=1920

Think this is what you were looking for......I have loads on Motorail stuff as faves.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/johndedman/7256224176

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The use of 'Motorail'-branded Carflats for trade car traffic was usual outside of the peak traffic flows, even before their use on Motorail traffic was reduced. I'm not sure if it worked the other way, with nominally 'freight' vehicles being used on Motorail.

http://andygibbs.zenfolio.com/p234657234

Of the images I have none show non Motorail branded flats

 

http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p870790610/h47f89748#h47f89748

Appears to have a lot of unbranded vehicles.

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Just a thought on the Carflats; Oxford's OO model is to feature chocks, which presumably will help to fix the vehicles on board. Whether these will be practical for N is debatable, but they'd look rather good if made to scale.

Surely they would only help if they were in the right places? Given a Motorail train can be loaded with any type of car that makes finding the correct positions impossible.

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Surely they would only help if they were in the right places? Given a Motorail train can be loaded with any type of car that makes finding the correct positions impossible.

 

Cue the "bag of bits" :-)

 

An liberal amount of chocks to be added where needed, job done. Would also complement an ety wagon as these tended to amassed together somewhere on an empty wagon for later use.

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Hello all,

 

We have discussed the provision of moulded yellow chocks.

 

They would be absolutely minuscule in N, and I suspect that while the idea may appeal even the most enthusiastic customer would get a little tired of fitting them after doing one or two wagons.

 

There would also be the question of whether to glue them down permanently - and risk splodges of glue spooling the model's finish where the parts are so tiny.

 

At the moment we are veering towards moulding them in two "stacks" as they would appear at the ends of empty wagons, however this is open to debate.

 

Stacked chocks are visible in this shot of a rake of empties: https://flic.kr/p/9oguxQ

 

Cheers

 

Ben A.

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I can remember trains with 16 on at Dawlish in the early 70's. Memory plays tricks but I am sure I yelled '18 on' to my Dad one morning sitting in the bay window at the Beach Hotel.

 

Ah, one day I'll have that model of the sea wall with the procession of type 4s, a few type 2s and a very very light smattering of type 3s. That's before considering milk trains, ballast from stoneycombe and ball clay trips/ ucvs to Stafford etc etc etc.....variety ruled - even in DMUs.

 

The advantages of n.

 

Good luck to the Ngauge Society with these - I might rejoin for the minds eye future layout.

 

Matt W

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Can anyone advise me when B4  bogies would have been fitted to the Motorail carflats? TIA.

 

And why the B4s?? Presumably to get 100mph for compatibility with 100mph coaching stock? 

Odd to think that the fastest many of those cars would ever go would be by train.

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There are very few pics of B4 bogied Carflats, which suggests there weren't very many of them, so I think they were replacement bogies as and when they became available from scrapped Mk1s. Even the Longsworth book doesn't list what bogies the Carflats have.

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