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#26 Scott B

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 20:55

Indeed Andy, but as I have said that used GUVs to convey the cars.

 

The car traffic to/from Harwich seems to be solid Cartic 4 or the Procor single version (Procor 80s ?).

I did wonder whether Range Rovers may have been loaded onto motorail flats for export via Harwich, but as I have said, despite trawling the pics I have accumulated over a number of years, of both freight & passenger consists I have drawn a blank so far.

Still looking :-)

 

Scott

 

 

Oh dear !!!!!!

 

https://www.flickr.c...d-Huae1W-4bjF7P

 

 

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#27 BernardTPM

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 23:09

Hmm, little chance of a Ford Orion in N!



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Posted 19 July 2016 - 10:43

Hallo,

This release is great news for me and bad news for my wallet.

 

Will be interesting to see what additional period cars will be produced

 

es grüßt

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 10:51

Just had a trawl through some old notes for workings with the yellow Railease ones. Interestingly, these sightings had relatively few of them, and they were mixed in with other wagon types, including non-car traffic:

 

Queenborough car terminal, Aug 1982, dotted around, some RLS944xx together with a PKA pair RLS92024+25, and MAT cartic-4s.

(There was car import/export traffic via Sheerness)
 
Passing Leicester March 1983, three, RLS94409/18/08, in a train with six MAT cartic-4s - nice and long.
 
Passing Strood, March 1983, a mixed working from Sheerness, with 4 Sheerness Steel bogie opens, 3 SPAs, 3 pairs of PKA car carriers in the RLS92xxx series, and carflats RLS94419/10 at the back.
 
parked at Bordesley (Birmingham) April 1983, carflats MAT94028/120/142/094 (another variant), carflats RLS94424/01/08, PKA RLS92302+03
 
parked in Hoo Junction April 1983, one RLS944xx along with MAT cartic-4s, more PKAs.
 
Passing Strood April 1983, a train to Sheerness again, with 2 BDAs top and tailed by runner wagons for overhanging steel, then 5 pairs of PKA and 5 RLS944xx carflats.

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#30 Padishar Creel

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 11:00

Price is pretty good by current standards, albeit that they are able to use quite a lot of existing components.

 

Out of the main holiday season, I think that some of the Motorail trains would have been quite short formations. Maybe someone on here has details and/or photos.

 

and of course I cannot remember where exactly, but I have seen a photo in the net of the Brockenhurst portion of the Motorail Service to Stirling with 4 coaches, 2 sleepers, and 2 day coaches

 

I like this photo in the net showing a RR on a Anglo Scottish service!!

 

http://images.google...ih=950&biw=1920


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#31 Tim H

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 11:06

"Diesels on the Western" by Michael Welch, page 89.  Photo of a maroon Western on a Tavistock Junction to Severn Tunnel Junction freight, composed almost entirely of empty Carflats, with a tube wagon and a Vanfit at the end.

 

Not strictly the NGsoc model, since they're pre-nationalisation rather than Mk1 underframes. But any idea what the traffic flow might have been?   



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Posted 19 July 2016 - 11:26

Here's another late 80s shot of the London-Stirling Motorail (looking quite busy!): https://flic.kr/p/9MFtRo

 

The picture of the Rolls is from 1988 which is the latest I have seen so far on the Scotland service.  The Scotland Motorail ran to 1995 but switched to GUVs at some point.

 

Cheers, Mike



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Posted 19 July 2016 - 12:00

According to the 1985 BR(M) Passenger Train Marshalling listings, Euston-Stirling trains appeared to use GUV vans north bound and FVV carflats south bound. Both trains were formed of a BFK and 6 FKs together with 11 carflats or GUVs. Thanks quite a long train!

 

As a rule of thumb BR reserved one compartment per vehicle, so you'd roughly have twice as many carflats as passenger carriages.

 

Happy modelling.

 

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 12:12

Just found an example in my notes of a train of mixed liveries, including Motorail examples in a non-Motorail train in the high season.

Warrington 28 June 1983, loco 47373 with 14 brown/bauxite ones, 1 blue one with no branding and 5 blue ones branded "Motorail" (all coded FVV)

 

And the following day at Preston, a single yellow Railease one in a mixed AB train:

loco 85030 with RLS94414, a VDA, two OBA (of which one departmental ZDA), two caustic soda TTA tanks, one OAA.

 

So if you can't afford 20 for the first train, just buy 1 yellow one for the second!


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#35 Tim H

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 12:33

Don't have photos to prove it, but I can remember Motorail-branded Carflats on the evening Eastleigh-Willesden Speedlink, loaded with Transits. Would probably have been just after the WCML trains had gone over to GUVs?


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#36 Crepello

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 14:22

Just a thought on the Carflats; Oxford's OO model is to feature chocks, which presumably will help to fix the vehicles on board. Whether these will be practical for N is debatable, but they'd look rather good if made to scale.



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Posted 19 July 2016 - 15:23

Don't have photos to prove it, but I can remember Motorail-branded Carflats on the evening Eastleigh-Willesden Speedlink, loaded with Transits. Would probably have been just after the WCML trains had gone over to GUVs?

The use of 'Motorail'-branded Carflats for trade car traffic was usual outside of the peak traffic flows, even before their use on Motorail traffic was reduced. I'm not sure if it worked the other way, with nominally 'freight' vehicles being used on Motorail.



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Posted 19 July 2016 - 15:34

and of course I cannot remember where exactly, but I have seen a photo in the net of the Brockenhurst portion of the Motorail Service to Stirling with 4 coaches, 2 sleepers, and 2 day coaches
 
I like this photo in the net showing a RR on a Anglo Scottish service!!
 
http://images.google...ih=950&biw=1920


Think this is what you were looking for......I have loads on Motorail stuff as faves.
https://www.flickr.c...dman/7256224176
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Posted 19 July 2016 - 15:40

The use of 'Motorail'-branded Carflats for trade car traffic was usual outside of the peak traffic flows, even before their use on Motorail traffic was reduced. I'm not sure if it worked the other way, with nominally 'freight' vehicles being used on Motorail.

http://andygibbs.zen....com/p234657234
Of the images I have none show non Motorail branded flats

http://www.rail-onli...89748#h47f89748
Appears to have a lot of unbranded vehicles.

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 15:40

Think this is what you were looking for......I have loads on Motorail stuff as faves.
https://www.flickr.c...dman/7256224176

 

Note broken windscreen on the HB Viva!



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Posted 19 July 2016 - 16:43

Hmm, little chance of a Ford Orion in N!

 

Doesn't this count Bernard?

 

http://www.pdmarshmo...uct.php?pid=326

 

Could double as just about anything. ;-)



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Posted 19 July 2016 - 20:03

Doesn't this count Bernard?

 

http://www.pdmarshmo...uct.php?pid=326

 

Could double as just about anything. ;-)

I think you've answered that question, Mike!


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Posted 19 July 2016 - 20:05

Just a thought on the Carflats; Oxford's OO model is to feature chocks, which presumably will help to fix the vehicles on board. Whether these will be practical for N is debatable, but they'd look rather good if made to scale.

Surely they would only help if they were in the right places? Given a Motorail train can be loaded with any type of car that makes finding the correct positions impossible.



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Posted 19 July 2016 - 20:37

Surely they would only help if they were in the right places? Given a Motorail train can be loaded with any type of car that makes finding the correct positions impossible.

 

Cue the "bag of bits" :-)

 

An liberal amount of chocks to be added where needed, job done. Would also complement an ety wagon as these tended to amassed together somewhere on an empty wagon for later use.



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Posted 19 July 2016 - 21:13


Hello all,

We have discussed the provision of moulded yellow chocks.

They would be absolutely minuscule in N, and I suspect that while the idea may appeal even the most enthusiastic customer would get a little tired of fitting them after doing one or two wagons.

There would also be the question of whether to glue them down permanently - and risk splodges of glue spooling the model's finish where the parts are so tiny.

At the moment we are veering towards moulding them in two "stacks" as they would appear at the ends of empty wagons, however this is open to debate.

Stacked chocks are visible in this shot of a rake of empties: https://flic.kr/p/9oguxQ

Cheers

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Posted 20 July 2016 - 10:32

Think this is what you were looking for......I have loads on Motorail stuff as faves.
https://www.flickr.c...dman/7256224176

 

Hallo,

Thanks, the Laptop where I had all my favourites saved died and I'm trying to find them again.

es grüßt

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Posted 20 July 2016 - 16:22

I can remember trains with 16 on at Dawlish in the early 70's. Memory plays tricks but I am sure I yelled '18 on' to my Dad one morning sitting in the bay window at the Beach Hotel.

Ah, one day I'll have that model of the sea wall with the procession of type 4s, a few type 2s and a very very light smattering of type 3s. That's before considering milk trains, ballast from stoneycombe and ball clay trips/ ucvs to Stafford etc etc etc.....variety ruled - even in DMUs.

The advantages of n.

Good luck to the Ngauge Society with these - I might rejoin for the minds eye future layout.

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Posted 20 July 2016 - 18:21

Can anyone advise me when B4  bogies would have been fitted to the Motorail carflats? TIA.



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Posted 20 July 2016 - 18:48

Can anyone advise me when B4  bogies would have been fitted to the Motorail carflats? TIA.

http://paulbartlett....d24bd2#hcd24bd2
1982

https://www.flickr.c...dman/7256224176
1980
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Posted 21 July 2016 - 07:42

Can anyone advise me when B4  bogies would have been fitted to the Motorail carflats? TIA.

 

And why the B4s?? Presumably to get 100mph for compatibility with 100mph coaching stock? 

Odd to think that the fastest many of those cars would ever go would be by train.


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