Garry Morris Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Someone once told me that they travelled on the last known passenger working for this class. The Swindon Class 42 last days are well documented but when it comes to the Class 43, information is hard to track down. They were all gone by October 3rd 1971 so their disappearance was kind of masked by the fact that the Swindon type was still about. 14 examples are listed as stock on the final day but D834 Pathfinder was laid up in Hackney yard for months as I remember, I suspect only a handful were running through September and the beginning of October. The last to work a passenger service according to my source was on an Exeter to Barnstaple run. Can anyone confirm or deny this? The North British Company were very successful with steam but bowed out with a whimper - no farewells for any of their diesel products. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 (edited) 857 was seemingly Undaunted on 29-9-71: https://www.flickr.com/photos/86020500@N06/7915674910/ Allegedly just switched off on October 1st and the last working. 833 failed at Reading on September 22nd and that was probably that: http://railwayherald.com/imagingcentre/view/310416/MT 841 still working at Wycombe on 11th September http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p634483962/hb9bae32#hb9bae32 Pathfinder still earning her keep on 28th August: https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/15268014616/in/photolist-a9UQGH-dv21KZ-ke61qH-6rjxs7-pgbyPj-5w2xHT-cVUBa1-hUjzin-hoGn3s-gHVvk7-kdUZTa-m7X4tS 858 at Paddington on September 3rd: http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p634483962/h3ebc4c1b#h3ebc4c1b and 861 still going at Bristol on 21st August: http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p634483962/h19c2a290#h19c2a290 Edited August 30, 2016 by 'CHARD 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morris Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 857 went on to work the 23.25 Paddington to Newton Abbot (1B48) 2/10/71 which was the last move for Undaunted. 834 worked to Marsh Junction 26/9/71 and was not seen in action again. D858 Valorous is the one that seems to have escaped the records. It would be interesting to know if anyone has notes taken at Exeter on either the 3rd or 4th of October 1971. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted August 30, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 30, 2016 (edited) 858 worked the 16.05 Exeter - Barnstaple and 17.55 return on 2 October and then withdrawn the following day. 857 worked 23.25 Paddington - Newton Abbot as stated above, but this was available to passengers as far as Westbury, so this was technically the final passenger working, before withdrawal after arrival at Newton Abbot on 3 October 1971. All from Book of the Warships. Also 841 ran to Swindon under it's own power on 6 October 1971, and 844 worked at Worcester on carriage heating from late October to 26 November before working to Swindon light engine. Edited August 30, 2016 by stovepipe 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) 858 worked the 16.05 Exeter - Barnstaple and 17.55 return on 2 October and then withdrawn the following day. 857 worked 23.25 Paddington - Newton Abbot as stated above, but this was available to passengers as far as Westbury, so this was technically the final passenger working, before withdrawal after arrival at Newton Abbot on 3 October 1971. All from Book of the Warships. Also 841 ran to Swindon under it's own power on 6 October 1971, and 844 worked at Worcester on carriage heating from late October to 26 November before working to Swindon light engine. I'm sure I have said this before to Phil and Nidge, how sad and wasteful it seems that these locos that had apparently settled down to give reliable service, were simply and unceremoniously switched off without remark because of some arbitrary doctrine from on high. Yes I know the railway doesn't run on emotion and sentimentality, but some of these culls (like a good few line closures) bear the hallmarks of jobsworth vindictiveness. At least 844 kind of briefly escaped the ban. And it's telling that they retained a London presence until their withdrawal deadline. Edited August 31, 2016 by 'CHARD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted August 31, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2016 861 finished at Worcester then ran light engine Oeo to Bristol... Will look up more details at home tonight Cheers Phil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 861 finished at Worcester then ran light engine Oeo to Bristol... Will look up more details at home tonight Cheers Phil Running OEO would they have effectively been a B-2 or a 2-B? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 I'm sure I have said this before to Phil and Nidge, how sad and wasteful it seems that these locos that had apparently settled down to give reliable service, were simply and unceremoniously switched off without remark because of some arbitrary doctrine from on high. Yes I know the railway doesn't run on emotion and sentimentality, but some of these culls (like a good few line closures) bear the hallmarks of jobsworth vindictiveness. At least 844 kind of briefly escaped the ban. And it's telling that they retained a London presence until their withdrawal deadline. But presumably BR was able to withdraw the Class 43s because it had more locos than it actually needed, so if the 43s hadn't been withdrawn, something else would have been instead? Given the small size of the class and their much-documented problems, they were always going to be early candidates for the great engine shed in the sky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted August 31, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2016 46s and 31s..the latter hardly an adequate replacement for 43s..? Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) But presumably BR was able to withdraw the Class 43s because it had more locos than it actually needed, so if the 43s hadn't been withdrawn, something else would have been instead? Given the small size of the class and their much-documented problems, they were always going to be early candidates for the great engine shed in the sky. These are surely the cold, hard facts as played out whilst the Summer T/T 1971 receded into recent memory. However, had the survivors been allowed - like the final Westerns - to run themselves out of hours, I wonder if their demise might have generated a bit more of an intrigue - and a following of sorts., Edited August 31, 2016 by 'CHARD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morris Posted August 31, 2016 Author Share Posted August 31, 2016 One day far off in the future I imagine that the two Swindon 42's will be brought up to mainline standards with jumper cables fitted to recreate a 1968 run to Penzance! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted August 31, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) The last active dates I have are: Courtesy of Mark Alden: 839 - 8th September, 1B01 TO 85A then 85A - Padd, Padd - Westbury 842 - 20th September, same diagram as 857 below 853 - 23rd September, 5B73 Malago Vale - 85A, 6M20 85A - BNS then LD BNS - Curzon St, 4V03 Curzon St - Bristol 854 - 3rd September, same diagram as 857 below 855 - 17th September 1B01 Padd - 85A, 85A - Padd - 85A, then 7E15 as far as Swindon 857 - 29th September, Padd - 85A - Padd - 85A then 7E15 as far as Swindon 861 - 30th September , as above, failed so LE OEO 85A to 82A 862 - 18th September, 85A - 85B engineers train And some earlier workings of interest from August... 2 43s in Brum on 20th! 834 worked Malago Vale diagram as per 853 above and 861 worked Paignton - BNS then Washwood Heath - STJ on 7V63 844 - 25th August - LD 85A - 82A 845 - 28th August, Paignton - BNS - Cardiff And July... 862 - 30th July, Newton Abbott - Newton le Willows motorail as far as Crewe! Returned on Manchester - Penzance as far as Plymouth From my own records 855 and 862 were in 85A week 19th - 24th September but those were my last sightings And MIAC records some other workings....http://www.miac.org.uk/class42.html But my favourite memories have to be... Strongbow at BNS Resistance at Bescot Superb - ex works - first sighting of a 43 for me at 85A And an evening run back from Padd down the Cotswold line behind 861 in 1970.... Happy days! The workings do not suggest locos on their last legs, confirming that a good few were probably switched off fully operable. See post 9 in http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/114466-oo-gauge-warship-diesels/ for our efforts to recreate the good times.... Phil Edited August 31, 2016 by Phil Bullock 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted September 1, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 1, 2016 I think this issue has been well documented but the fact is by 1970, BR had far more loco's than it actually needed and the as cost cutting measure, diesel hydraulics and their very expensive West German (as it was at the time) made them prime candidates for withdrawal. The pound at the time was weak against the then West German Mark. As successful as the hydraulics were, they were hampered by high costs, they were doomed to retired early, This is not just a BR problem as the Southern Pacific and to a certain extent, Denver & Rio Grande dabbled with diesel hydraulics and they suffered the same fate as the BR's. As to North British being a very successful company, I think you will find that as subjective as they did have numerous build issues and I think the most documented case as the Australian Class R 4-6-4's which had to be effectively rebuilt when they got there. The main reason was that the orders for new diesels and that effectively spelled the end for North British, Beyer-Peacock and other, all steam builders. Looking at it all from a different perspective, Maybach and Voith are now part of Siemens and look how successful they are now, only the 40 years to get it right. Julian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morris Posted September 6, 2016 Author Share Posted September 6, 2016 (edited) Pulling together various pieces of information. At the beginning of the last week of the Class 43, 9 were potentially in traffic on Monday 27th September 1971. This includes 844 Spartan which was possibly stored at St Phillips Marsh. During the week 835 Pegasus took 852 from Newton Abbot where it had been withdrawn to Swindon on Wednesday 29th October where they both remained out of service. 855 Triumph also succumbed on Friday 1st of October after working 7B14 23.24 STJ - Totnes then light to Laira where it remained until withdrawal. 6 active 43's entered the final weekend...839 Relentless,854 Tiger and 862 Viking finished activities on Saturday 2nd October with 841 Roebuck, 857 Undaunted and 858 Valorous continuing to Sunday 3rd October/ Monday 4th October As already mentioned there were two last opportunities to ride behind 858 Exeter - Barnstaple - Exeter, and 857 Paddington to Westbury. As far as is known these were the last two passenger workings. Challenging earlier notings. One interesting point surrounds 841 Roebuck. It worked 1A72 21.00 Pz - Pad on Sunday 3/10/71 as far as Plymouth. It then went light to Newton Abbot (by now the early hours of Monday 4th October) and took 6326 and 6343 0F73 to Swindon possibly laying claim to be the last one out working on the mainline with a passenger train. Whether it took 1A72 single handed to Plymouth is also an unknown at present. It could possibly be the last one to have been put to store depending on arrival time at Swindon with the Class 22's Edited September 7, 2016 by Garry Morris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark alden Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I have (below) a compiled list of Warship workings and from it I have taken the NBL's so you can see what they got up to in the last week. The numbers in brackets after (25) etc indicate the engine hours accumulated after working that diagram. For some reason some locos haven't lined up in the document... haven't tabbed for some reason?? I just hope I don't get to read this later in book by a dodgy journalist from Peterborough as 'an exclusive revelation'.... The information I have comes from the loco record cards filled in by the Loco Control as each loco did a train... Enjoy... Saturday 25th September 1971 D833 Reading (In store) / Hauled 0F76 LD Reading - Newton Abbot / Newton Abbot (In store). D834 Exeter / 0F76 LD Exeter - Newton Abbot / Newton Abbot / 5Z27 ECS Newton Abbot C.S. - Paignton / 1Z27 11.25 Paignton - Liverpool to Bristol / Bristol Bath Road. D835 Newton Abbot. D839 …..6V07 to Plymouth / Laira / 6V07 19.00 Kensington Olympia - Penzance ‘Milk empties’, 07.40 from Plymouth (21½) / Penzance. D841 Exeter / 2B99 06.30 Exeter - Barnstaple / 2B99 08.50 Barnstaple - Exeter (24½) / Exeter Banking Spur / 1B18 08.10 Paddington - Barnstaple, 11.13 from Exeter (D7100 off) (26) / 1A41 14.40 Barnstaple - Paddington to Exeter (D7100 forward) (27½) / 2B99 16.05 Exeter - Barnstaple / 2B99 17.55 Barnstaple - Exeter / Exeter / 6B65 18.20 Plymouth Friary - Exeter Central 'Presflos', 20.20 from Exeter banked by D71 (D854 and D71 off) / 0B58 20.45 Exeter Central - Exeter / Exeter. D842 Old Oak Common / 5M07 10.18 Old Oak Common C.S. - Kensington Olympia / 0Z20 10.58 Kensington Olympia - Old Oak Common / Old Oak Common - M/R (On 13.30, ‘A’ engine 20% fuel dilation). D844 Newton Abbot - M/R (B transmission forward / reverse fault). D852 Newton Abbot (In store). D853 …..7O85 to Westbury / Westbury / 8B15 03.30 Westbury - Merehead (31) / 8B20 06.00 Merehead - Westbury (33½) / 8B15 05.45 Westbury - Merehead running late (36) / 8B20 08.10 Merehead - Westbury running late (38) / Westbury. D854 …..3B07 to Plymouth / Laira - M/R (On A.M. ‘A’ exam, hours to ‘0’, Off P.M.) / 6B65 18.20 Plymouth Friary - Exeter Central 'Presflos' to Exeter assisting D71 (D841 forward) (2) / Exeter. D855 Newton Abbot - M/R (A engine No. 7-12 bank blowing, exhaust elbow fractured and 'B' exam). D857 …..6Z43 to Avonmouth / 0F74 LD Avonmouth - Bristol Bath Road / Bristol Bath Road / 6Z . . __.__ __________ - Westbury ‘Special’ / 0Z68 LD Westbury - Taunton / 8Z68 09.00 Taunton - Westbury / 0B97 LD Westbury - Taunton (14) / Taunton / 6B12 17.00 Taunton - Bason Bridge ‘Milk empties’ / 6B02 18.38 Bason Bridge - Taunton ‘Milk’ (16) / Taunton / 0F76 LD Taunton - Newton Abbot / Newton Abbot. D858 …..8B20 to Westbury / 6Z . . 00.45 Westbury - Acton 'Test train' (36½) / 0F90 LD Acton - Westbury / Westbury. D861 Worcester (Failed, pressurised sump, stopped pending withdrawal). D862 Old Oak Common / 0B33 LD Old Oak Common - Acton / 6B33 03.30 Acton - Exeter Riverside Yard (5) / Exeter. Sunday 26th September 1971 D833 Newton Abbot (In store). D834 Bristol Bath Road / 8Z71 01.00 Bristol East Depot - Nailsea and Backwell 'Engineers duty' / Bristol Bath Road - M/R (On P.M., A engine fire damage, released OEO, Off P.M.) / 5Z54 22.38 Bristol - Weston-super-Mare / 0F76 23.XX Weston-super-Mare - Newton Abbot….. D835 Newton Abbot. D839 Penzance / 8Z . . 06.00 Penzance - Penwithers ‘Engineers duty’ (27½) / Penzance. D841 Exeter. D842 Old Oak Common - M/R (20% fuel dilation). D844 Newton Abbot - M/R (B transmission forward / reverse fault). D852 Newton Abbot (In store). D853 Westbury / 8A04 21.00 Westbury - Theale (39½)….. D854 Exeter / 1O16 16.00 Exeter - Waterloo to Salisbury in tandem with D804 (3) / Salisbury / 1V17 17.08 Waterloo - Exeter, 18.46 from Salisbury (D807 off) (5) / 0F76 21.05 Exeter - Newton Abbot (6) / Newton Abbot. D855 Newton Abbot - M/R (A engine No. 7-12 bank blowing, exhaust elbow fractured and 'B' exam). D857 Newton Abbot. D858 Westbury / 8Z . . 00.30 Westbury - Woodborough 'Engineers duty' (40½) / Westbury. D861 Worcester (Failed, pressurised sump, stopped pending withdrawal). D862 Exeter. Monday 27th September 1971 cont'd... D833 Newton Abbot (In store). D834 …..0F76 to Newton Abbot / Newton Abbot - M/R (On 14.00, A engine rocker gear fault, released OEO, Off 20.00). D835 Newton Abbot. D839 Penzance / 4M05 12.50 Penzance - Crewe ‘Perishables’ to Plymouth (D184 forward) (31½) / 5B75 16.35 Plymouth - Laira C.S. / Laira / 6B65 20.20 Plymouth Friary - Exeter Central 'Presflos' to Exeter assisting D1017 / 6B65 20.20 Plymouth Friary - Exeter Central 'Presflos', 22.42 from Exeter banking D1017 (35½) / 0B58 LD Exeter Central - Exeter / Exeter. D841 Exeter / 7B32 01.35 Exeter Riverside Yard - Drump Lane to Truro / 0B39 LD Truro - Drump Lane / 7B39 09.05 Drump Lane - Ponsandane / Penzance (Stand-by duty). D842 Old Oak Common - M/R (20% fuel dilation, to store). D844 Newton Abbot - M/R (B transmission forward / reverse fault, released LWO, Off 12.00). D852 Newton Abbot (In store). D853 …..7B01 02.00 Theale - Westbury (41) / Westbury / 8B . . 06.00 Westbury - Frome / 8B52 06.34 Frome - Portishead (45) / 8B52 10.20 Portishead - Radstock / 8B . . 13.10 Radstock - Frome / 0F90 14.10 Frome - Westbury / Westbury. D854 Newton Abbot / 5B10 05.30 Newton Abbot - Exeter / 2B10 07.10 Exeter - Penzance (10½) / 1A45 12.25 Penzance - Paddington to Plymouth (D1662 forward) (13) / 1V70 07.36 Leeds - Penzance 'Cornishman', 14.55 from Plymouth (16) / 5V70 17.20 Penzance - Slopers Sidings / Penzance / 1A61 19.00 Penzance - Paddington 'Postal' to Swindon (Failed, A engine fire)….. D855 Newton Abbot - M/R (A engine No. 7-12 bank blowing, exhaust elbow fractured and 'B' exam, Off 20.00) / 0Z00 21.00 Newton Abbot - Tavistock Junction (23) / 0F76 22.40 Tavistock Junction - Newton Abbot (24) / Newton Abbot. D857 Newton Abbot - M/R (On 08.30, earth faults). D858 Westbury / 1A54 06.40 Westbury - Paddington / 5A06 09.16 Paddington - Old Oak Common C.S. (44½) / 0F05 09.51 Old Oak Common - Ranelagh Bridge / Ranelagh Bridge (A Serck pump fault) / 0F06 LD Ranelagh Bridge - Old Oak Common / Old Oak Common - M/R (On P.M., A Serck pump fault and 'A' exam, hours to ‘0’, released OEO, Off 16.00). D861 Worcester (Failed, pressurised sump, stopped pending withdrawal). D862 Exeter / 6Z . . 04.30 Exeter Riverside Yard - Stoke Cannon (6) / 0Z00 LD Stoke Cannon - Bristol East Depot / 7Z00 07.00 Bristol East Depot - Exeter Riverside Yard (9) / Exeter / 6B18 15.00 Exeter - Chard Junction 'Milk empties' / 6O19 16.55 Chard Junction - Morden South 'Milk' to Exeter (D1022 forward) (13) / Exeter / 7B36 19.20 Exeter Riverside Yard - Plymouth Friary (15½) / 0M55 LD Plymouth Friary - Tavistock Junction / 6M55 20.35 St. Blazey - Stoke-on-Trent 'China clay', 22.25 from Tavistock Junction to Exeter assisting train engine (18½)….. Tuesday 28th September 1971 D833 Newton Abbot (In store). D834 Newton Abbot (Res - OEO). D835 Newton Abbot. D839 Exeter / 6B34 20.03 Bristol Temple Meads Goods - Ponsandane, 00.15 from Exeter Riverside Yard (42½) / 6B10 06.40 Penzance - St. Erth 'Milk empties' / SHUNT / 0F79 10.15 St. Erth - Penzance (46½) / Penzance / 7B . . 12.02 Ponsandane - Hayle Wharves / 7B . . 13.34 Hayle Wharves - Ponsandane (49½) / 6B59 14.50 Ponsandane - Exeter Riverside Yard assisted from Plymouth to Exeter by D6343 (55) / Exeter / 6B65 20.20 Plymouth Friary - Exeter Central 'Presflos', 22.42 from Exeter banking train engine / 0B58 LD Exeter Central - Exeter (56) / Exeter. D841 Penzance (Stand-by duty). D842 Old Oak Common (In store). D844 Newton Abbot (Res - LWO). D852 Newton Abbot (In store). D853 Westbury / 0F76 LD Westbury - Newton Abbot / Newton Abbot. D854 ….1A61 to Swindon / Swindon - M/R (On 04.00, engine fire and brake faults). D855 Newton Abbot / 0B10 05.30 Newton Abbot - Cowley Bridge Loop / 5B10 06.10 Cowley Bridge Loop - Exeter (26½) / 2B10 07.10 Exeter - Penzance (30) / 1A45 12.25 Penzance - Paddington to Plymouth (32½) / 1V70 07.36 Leeds - Penzance 'Cornishman', 14.55 from Plymouth (36) / Penzance / 1A61 19.00 Penzance - Paddington 'Postal' to Plymouth (39) / Laira. D857 Newton Abbot - M/R (Earth faults, Off 12.00 / 6Z68 17.20 Hackney Yard - Westbury 'Engineers duty' / Westbury / 0A17 LD Westbury - Castle Cary / 6A17 15.05 Penzance - Paddington ‘Perishables and milk’, 22.XX from Castle Cary assisting D808 / 6A17 15.05 Penzance - Paddington 'Perishables and milk', 23.XX from Westbury (D808 off)….. D858 Old Oak Common (Res - OEO) / 5B76 05.35 Old Oak Common - Swindon (3) / Swindon / 8B35 08.00 Swindon Transfer Yard - Westbury (7½) / Westbury / 0F76 21.00 Westbury - Newton Abbot (9½) / Newton Abbot. D861 Worcester (Failed, pressurised sump, stopped pending withdrawal). D862 …..6M55 to Exeter assisting train engine / Exeter / 7B10 02.40 Exeter Riverside Yard - Liskeard to Keyham (23½) / 0F77 04.55 Keyham - Laira / Laira / 7C26 08.45 Plymouth Friary - Severn Tunnel Junction (29) / Severn Tunnel Junction / 8E46 21.25 Severn Tunnel Junction - Temple Mills (37)….. Wednesday 29th September 1971 cont'd... D833 Newton Abbot (In store). D834 Newton Abbot (Res - OEO). D835 Newton Abbot / 0F74 LD Newton Abbot - Bristol Bath Road hauled by D815 with D852 / Bristol Bath Road. D839 Exeter / 6B34 20.03 Bristol Temple Meads Goods - Ponsandane, 00.15 from Exeter Riverside Yard (63) / 6B10 06.40 Ponsandane - St. Erth 'Milk empties' / SHUNT / 0F79 10.15 St. Erth - Penzance (67) / Penzance / 7B . . 12.02 Ponsandane - Hayle Wharves / 7B . . 13.34 Hayle Wharves - Ponsandane (70) / 6B59 14.50 Ponsandane - Exeter Riverside Yard (75½) / Exeter. D841 Penzance. D842 Old Oak Common (In store). D844 Newton Abbot (Res - LWO). D852 Newton Abbot (In store) / 0F74 LD Newton Abbot - Bristol Bath Road hauled by D815 with D835 / Bristol Bath Road (In store). D853 Newton Abbot. D854 Swindon - M/R (Engine fire and brake faults, Off 02.00) / 8B35 08.00 Swindon Transfer Yard - Chippenham / 0F90 LD Chippenham - Westbury / Westbury / Hauled 0F76 17.00 Westbury - Newton Abbot by D869 / Newton Abbot. D855 Laira / 6V07 19.00 Kensington Olympia - Penzance 'Milk empties', 03.35 from Plymouth (44) / 6B13 08.40 Penzance - Dolcoath 'Milk empties' / 0B29 09.50 Dolcoath - Drump Lane / 7B29 10.40 Drump Lane - Roskear / 0B26 LD Roskear - St. Erth / 6B26 11.35 St. Erth - Penzance / Penzance / 6A17 15.05 Penzance - Paddington ‘Perishables and milk’ to Plymouth (50) / 6A17 15.05 Penzance - Paddington ‘Perishables and milk’, 19.20 from Plymouth to Exeter assisting train engine (52) / Exeter. D857 …..6A17 to Paddington / Old Oak Common / 1B16 08.12 Paddington - Worcester / 1A86 12.15 Worcester - Paddington / Ranelagh Bridge / 1B76 17.15 Paddington - Worcester / Worcester / 7E18 20.32 Worcester - Temple Mills to Swindon Cocklebury Yard / Swindon. D858 Newton Abbot - M/R (On A.M., engine faults, Off 16.15). D861 Worcester (Failed, pressurised sump, stopped pending withdrawal). D862 …..8E46 to Temple Mills / 0V00 LD Temple Mills - Old Oak Common / Old Oak Common / 0C41 LD Old Oak Common - Acton / 7C41 10.35 Acton - Severn Tunnel Junction (44) / Severn Tunnel Junction / 8E46 21.25 Severn Tunnel Junction - Temple Mills to Acton (52)….. Thursday 30th September 1971 D833 Newton Abbot (In store). D834 Newton Abbot (Res - OEO). D835 Bristol Bath Road. D839 Exeter / 6B34 20.03 Bristol Temple Meads Goods - Ponsandane, 00.15 from Exeter Riverside Yard (82½) / 6B10 06.40 Ponsandane - St. Erth 'Milk empties' / SHUNT / 0F79 10.15 St. Erth - Penzance (86½) / Penzance - M/R (On P.M., ‘A’ exam, hours to ‘0’, Off P.M.). D841 Penzance / 6B . . __.__ Penzance - Par trips / Penzance / 6B59 14.50 Ponsandane - Exeter Riverside Yard / Exeter / 6B65 20.20 Plymouth Friary - Exeter Central 'Presflos', 22.42 from Exeter banking train engine / 0B58 LD Exeter Central - Exeter / Exeter. D842 Old Oak Common (In store). D844 Newton Abbot (Res - LWO). D852 Bristol Bath Road (In store). D853 Newton Abbot - M/R (On P.M., A and B engine exhaust blows, Off P.M.). D854 Newton Abbot - M/R (On P.M., exhaust blows, AWS fault and brake fault, Off 22.00) / 0B83 LD Newton Abbot - Exeter / Exeter. D855 Exeter / 6B35 03.30 Exeter Riverside Yard - Plymouth Friary (55) / Laira - M/R (On A.M., ‘A’ exam, hours to ‘0’, Off A.M.) / 7C26 08.45 Plymouth Friary - Severn Tunnel Junction to Exeter Riverside Yard (Train recessed) / Exeter / 7C26 08.45 Plymouth Friary - Severn Tunnel Junction, 13.26 from Exeter Riverside Yard / Severn Tunnel Junction / 6B45 20.35 Severn Tunnel Junction - Plymouth Friary..... D857 Swindon / 7A11 22.55 Gloucester - Paddington Goods, 01.08 from Swindon Cocklebury Yard (46½) / 0F05 04.05 Paddington Goods - Ranelagh Bridge / Ranelagh Bridge / 5A06 07.45 Paddington - Old Oak Common C.S. / 5B45 08.45 Old Oak Common C.S. - Paddington / Ranelagh Bridge / 1B86 11.15 Paddington - Worcester (53) / Worcester - M/R (On P.M., 'A' exam, hours to ‘0’, Off P.M.) / 1A46 16.15 Worcester - Paddington (3) / Old Oak Common / 3B07 20.08 Paddington - Plymouth….. D858 Newton Abbot / 0B10 05.30 Newton Abbot - Cowley Bridge Loop / 5B10 06.10 Cowley Bridge Loop - Exeter (11) / 2B10 07.10 Exeter - Penzance (15½) / 1A45 12.25 Penzance - Paddington to Plymouth (18) / 1V70 07.36 Leeds - Penzance 'Cornishman', 14.55 from Plymouth (21) / 5V70 17.20 Penzance - Slopers Sidings / Penzance / 1A61 19.00 Penzance - Paddington 'Postal' to Bristol (Failed, NB, D1596 forward) (31)….. D861 Worcester (Failed, pressurised sump, stopped pending withdrawal) / 0F74 LD Worcester - Bristol Bath Road / Bristol Bath Road (Stopped for demonstration purposes). D862 …..8E46 to Acton / 0F70 LD Acton - Old Oak Common / Old Oak Common - M/R (On A.M., B engine turbo blower leaking coolant, Off 05.00) / 0A69 09.15 Old Oak Common - Acton / 8A69 09.50 Acton - Park Royal / 8A79 11.15 Park Royal - West Ruislip / 8A69 12.15 West Ruislip - West Ealing / 6M15 13.35 West Ealing - Kensington Olympia 'Milk empties' (57½) / 6V05 15.00 Kensington Olympia - Plymouth 'Milk empties' (66½)….. Friday 1st October 1971 D833 Newton Abbot (In store). D834 Newton Abbot (Res - OEO). D835 Bristol Bath Road. D839 Penzance (6B59). D841 Exeter / 7B34 20.03 Bristol Temple Meads Goods - Ponsandane, 00.15 from Exeter Riverside Yard / 6B10 06.40 Ponsandane - St. Erth 'Milk empties' / SHUNT / 0F79 10.15 St. Erth - Penzance / Penzance / 7B . . 12.02 Ponsandane - Hayle Wharves / 7B . . 13.34 Hayle Wharves - Ponsandane / 6B59 14.50 Ponsandane - Exeter Riverside Yard assisted from Plymouth by D6334 / Exeter. D842 Old Oak Common (In store). D844 Newton Abbot (Res - LWO). D852 Bristol Bath Road (In store). D853 Newton Abbot / …..CARD MISSING 00.00 - 20.00.… / Westbury / 7A42 21.00 Westbury - Acton….. D854 Exeter / 7B38 03.55 Exeter Riverside Yard - Newton Abbot / Newton Abbot / 6Z65 06.00 Hackney Yard - __________ 'Ballast’ trips / Newton Abbot / 6Z69 15.30 Hackney Yard - Tavistock Junction / Laira. D855 …..6B45 to Plymouth Friary / Laira / 7C26 08.45 Plymouth Friary - Severn Tunnel Junction / Severn Tunnel Junction / 7B14 23.24 Severn Tunnel Junction - Totnes….. D857 …..3B07 to Plymouth / 0F76 02.35 Plymouth - Newton Abbot (11½) / Newton Abbot / 0B10 05.30 Newton Abbot - Cowley Bridge Loop / 5B10 06.10 Cowley Bridge Loop - Exeter / 2B10 07.10 Exeter - Penzance (16) / 1A45 12.25 Penzance - Paddington to Plymouth (18½) / 1V70 07.36 Bradford - Penzance 'Cornishman', 14.55 from Plymouth / 5V70 17.20 Penzance - Slopers Siding (21½) / Penzance / 1A61 19.00 Penzance - Paddington 'Postal' (31½)….. D858 …..1A61 to Bristol (Failed, NB, D1596 forward) / Bristol Bath Road (Res - NB) / 0O10 03.55 Bristol Bath Road - Malago Vale C.S. / 5O10 04.25 Malago Vale C.S. - Bristol / 4O10 05.05 Bristol - Salisbury (33) / 7V76 08.20 Salisbury Yard - Meldon Quarry 'Ballast empties' to Exeter Riverside Yard (D805 forward) (39) / Exeter / 6O59 11.15 Plymouth Friary - Fawley, 13.30 from Exeter Riverside Yard / 6V78 22.45 Fawley - Tiverton Junction….. D861 Bristol Bath Road (Stopped for demonstration purposes). D862 Laira - M/R (On A.M., 'A' exam, hours to '0', Off A.M.) / 7B59 09.35 Plymouth Friary - Exeter Riverside Yard (4½) / Exeter / 6B18 15.00 Exeter - Chard Junction 'Milk empties' / 6O19 16.55 Chard Junction - Morden South 'Milk' to Exeter (D1019 forward) (8) / 6B36 19.20 Exeter Riverside Yard - Plymouth Friary (11½) / 0M55 LD Plymouth Friary - Laira Junction / 6M55 20.35 St. Blazey - Stoke-on-Trent 'China clay', 22.25 from Tavistock Junction to Exeter assisting train engine (14)….. Saturday 2nd October 1971 D833 Newton Abbot (In store). D834 Newton Abbot (Res - OEO). D835 Bristol Bath Road. D839 Penzance / 6A17 15.05 Penzance - Paddington 'Perishables and milk' to Plymouth (D1012 forward) / Laira / 1B16 17.55 Penzance - Bristol, 20.20 from Plymouth to Newton Abbot in tandem with train engine / Newton Abbot. D841 Exeter / 2B10 07.10 Exeter - Penzance / 5B10 11.35 Penzance - Sea Sidings / Penzance / 1C96 13.45 Penzance - Cardiff to Plymouth (D1910 forward) / Laira / 5B24 16.25 Laira C.S. - Plymouth / 2B24 17.10 Plymouth - Penzance / 1A72 21.00 Penzance - Paddington to Plymouth / Laira. D842 Old Oak Common (In store). D844 Newton Abbot (Res - LWO). D852 Bristol Bath Road (In store). D853 …..7A42 to Acton / 0B38 LD Acton - Southall / 6B38 01.40 Southall - Exeter City Basin to Westbury / Westbury / 8A02 05.00 Westbury - Newbury / 8B13 07.20 Newbury - Westbury / Westbury / 8A . . 12.00 Westbury - Newbury / 6B . . __.__ Newbury - Westbury / Westbury. D854 Laira / 0F76 14.XX Laira - Newton Abbot / Newton Abbot / Z80 18.00 Newton Abbot - Bodmin Road 'Break Down Vans' / 0F77 LD Bodmin Road - Laira / Laira. D855 …..7B14 to Totnes / 0F76 LD Totnes - Newton Abbot / Newton Abbot (Stopped pending withdrawal on 04/10/71). D857 …..1A61 to Paddington / Old Oak Common / 5C27 19.10 Old Oak Common C.S. - Paddington / 1B48 23.25 Paddington - Newton Abbot 'News'….. D858 …..6V78 to Tiverton Junction / 0B83 07.38 Tiverton Junction - Exeter / Exeter / 2B99 16.05 Exeter - Barnstaple / 2B99 17.55 Barnstaple - Exeter / Exeter. D861 Bristol Bath Road (Stopped for demonstration purposes). D862 …..6M55 to Exeter assisting train engine / Exeter / 7B12 04.05 Exeter Riverside Yard - Ponsandane to Plymouth / Laira. Sunday 3rd October 1971 D833 Newton Abbot - Withdrawn. D834 Newton Abbot (Res - OEO) D835 Bristol Bath Road D839 Newton Abbot. D841 Laira. D842 Old Oak Common (In store). D844 Newton Abbot (Res - LWO). D852 Bristol Bath Road - Withdrawn. D853 Westbury / 8Z . . 06.00 Westbury - Taunton 'Engineers duty' / Taunton (Failed) - Withdrawn. D854 Laira - M/R (On A.M., exhaust blows, A and B brake faults) - Withdrawn. D855 Newton Abbot (Stopped pending withdrawal). D857 …..1B48 to Newton Abbot / Newton Abbot / 8Z82 __.__ Hackney Yard - Heathfield 'Track recovery duty' / Newton Abbot. D858 Exeter / 0F76 11.45 Exeter - Newton Abbot / Newton Abbot. D861 Bristol Bath Road (Stopped for demonstration purposes). D862 Laira (Stopped pending withdrawal). Monday 4th October 1971 … amendments to some services from today (WTT Supplement No. 3) … D834 Newton Abbot - Withdrawn. D835 Bristol Bath Road - Withdrawn. D839 Newton Abbot - Withdrawn. D841 Laira - Withdrawn. D842 Old Oak Common - Withdrawn. D844 Newton Abbot - Withdrawn. D853 Newton Abbot - Withdrawn. D854 Laira - Withdrawn. D855 Newton Abbot - Withdrawn. D857 Newton Abbot - Withdrawn. D858 Newton Abbot - Withdrawn. D861 Bristol Bath Road - Withdrawn. D862 Laira - Withdrawn. Wednesday 6th October 1971 D841 Laira - Withdrawn / 0F76 LD Laira - Newton Abbot / 0F73 LD Newton Abbot - Swindon Works hauling D6326 and D6343 / Swindon Works - Withdrawn. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Thanks Mark. Very interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 I think this issue has been well documented but the fact is by 1970, BR had far more loco's than it actually needed and the as cost cutting measure, diesel hydraulics and their very expensive West German (as it was at the time) made them prime candidates for withdrawal. The pound at the time was weak against the then West German Mark. As successful as the hydraulics were, they were hampered by high costs, they were doomed to retired early, This is not just a BR problem as the Southern Pacific and to a certain extent, Denver & Rio Grande dabbled with diesel hydraulics and they suffered the same fate as the BR's. As to North British being a very successful company, I think you will find that as subjective as they did have numerous build issues and I think the most documented case as the Australian Class R 4-6-4's which had to be effectively rebuilt when they got there. The main reason was that the orders for new diesels and that effectively spelled the end for North British, Beyer-Peacock and other, all steam builders. Looking at it all from a different perspective, Maybach and Voith are now part of Siemens and look how successful they are now, only the 40 years to get it right. Julian Maybach became MTU Friedrichshafen, and is now part of Rolls Royce Holdings. Voith is family owned with a tie up with Siemens in just one of its divisions, not the turbo division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morris Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 A moment's reflection to remember that the 43's left us 45 Years ago today! A big thanks to Mark Alden for sharing the info in this thread. It brings back memories of a fairly unloved class in their day. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 3, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 3, 2016 Most certainly not unloved by the Worcester spotters. But we weren't that knowledgeable about operating issues then were we! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D860 VICTORIOUS Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Am new to RMWEB so a bit late with these notes,but thought they may be of interest. A day at Reading on 6 9 71 [last day of the school holidays] produced: 841,853 and 854. [Also D809 on Malago Vale to Old Oak Common vans]. On 11 9 71,at Ealing Broadway and Southall, 835,841 and 861. [Also 807]. On 18 9 71,while at the GWS/BR Didcot open day,842 and 855, Triumph being the last 43 I saw in service. A fascinating class,with a great series of names.... Neil. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Kirkham Posted October 20, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) A fascinating class,with a great series of names.... Yes, in my opinion the 43s had on the whole better names than the 42s. By which I mean that there were more which were frankly warlike or historically resonant, as befits a fighting ship, rather than "tame" ones such as names of admirals and types of dog. I particularly relish those exotic ones Temeraire and Ramillies. Although Roebuck is pretty lame, I'll grant you. Edited October 20, 2016 by Andy Kirkham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark alden Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 (edited) Am new to RMWEB so a bit late with these notes,but thought they may be of interest. A day at Reading on 6 9 71 [last day of the school holidays] produced: 841,853 and 854. [Also D809 on Malago Vale to Old Oak Common vans]. On 11 9 71,at Ealing Broadway and Southall, 835,841 and 861. [Also 807]. On 18 9 71,while at the GWS/BR Didcot open day,842 and 855, Triumph being the last 43 I saw in service. A fascinating class,with a great series of names.... Neil. On the Monday 6th - 809 was on the 11.20 Bristol - Old Oak Common 841 was on the 11.15 Paddington - Worcester and 16.15 return 853 was on the 12.15 Worcester- Paddington and 17.15 return 854 was on the 15.00 Kensington to Plymouth but it failed at Reading and D1040 took over. On Saturday 11th - 807 was on the 12.10 Paddington - Paignton 835 was on the 10.15 Paddington - Paignton 841 was on the 11.15 Paddington - Worcester 861 was on the 15.00 Kensington - Plymouth. Guess what? It failed at Reading and D1044 took over! On Saturday 18th - 842 was on the 14.15 Worcester - Paddington 855 was on the 15.15 Paddington - Hereford. Have you any pictures? Have you got any more notes? All notes help add info to the workings I've got and are fascinating and also help confirm what actually happened... Mark Edited October 22, 2016 by mark alden Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D860 VICTORIOUS Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 On the Monday 6th - 809 was on the 11.20 Bristol - Old Oak Common 841 was on the 11.15 Paddington - Worcester and 16.15 return 853 was on the 12.15 Worcester- Paddington and 17.15 return 854 was on the 15.00 Kensington to Plymouth but it failed at Reading and D1040 took over. On Saturday 11th - 807 was on the 12.10 Paddington - Paignton 835 was on the 10.15 Paddington - Paignton 841 was on the 11.15 Paddington - Worcester 861 was on the 15.00 Kensington - Plymouth. Guess what? It failed at Reading and D1044 took over! On Saturday 18th - 842 was on the 14.15 Worcester - Paddington 855 was on the 15.15 Paddington - Hereford. Have you any pictures? Have you got any more notes? All notes help add info to the workings I've got and are fascinating and also help confirm what actually happened... Mark Hey Mark, Thank you so much for your reply and the info therein.Regarding my day at Reading, I can remember 841 coming in on the down Worcester,and without sounding too soppy, seeing Champion that day is one of my fondest memories of a Warship at work.Into the afternoon that day and the unmistakable front end shape of a Warship came into view from the Bristol direction.It was held at signals{Scours Lane?} for what seemed like ages,and eventually got the road.She took the through line between the main platforms,and although my memory could be playing tricks,I think power was applied as a signal at the East end cleared. Marvellous... I do have some photo's, taken on an Instamatic I got for Xmas 1971,but I was a mere 12 with no idea about photography,so they're not great. I was in contact with Martin a couple of years or so back,he was kind enough to supply details of some of my observations as you have done. I did give him a list of all my Warship sightings in 71 and 72,would be happy to do the same for you. I started spotting at Southall in 1968,and although I cant remember why, I started keeping records from 71 to the end of 73,when I packed it in. As far as railway interest goes,I count myself fortunate to have been born in the era I was,and to have grown up where I did,enabling me to see the majority of the main line hydraulic fleet,these loco's have left a lasting impression. Maybe a view shared by other contributors to this section,, Neil 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrails Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Hi the MAN engine at Bo'ness was also in VANQUISHER and RAPID have painted one side the container Maroon FYE with some D838 logos and a BR Herald. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesternKing Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Excellent information, special thanks to Mark Alden for the detailed accounts of movements in the last week the 43's were in traffic & love the comment "I just hope I don't get to read this later in book by a dodgy journalist from Peterborough as 'an exclusive revelation'...." - Still looking for last date in traffic for D833/D844 & D852 if anyone could help? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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