steve fay Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 (edited) On the flyer released today confirming the DMU's there's also confirmation of the GWR Churchward Mogul. Edited September 3, 2016 by steve fay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Is there any progress on the 47xx? Sounds like mogul is a 2018 release... David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted September 3, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 3, 2016 Is there any progress on the 47xx? Sounds like mogul is a 2018 release... David I doubt that there will be any OO Gauge updates at an O Gauge show. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndg910 Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 On the flyer released today confirming the DMU's there's also confirmation of the GWR Churchward Mogul. Is this in O Gauge or OO Gauge? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted September 3, 2016 Author Share Posted September 3, 2016 O gauge, it's the Telford O gauge show so these leaflets are for 7mm only Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9402 Fredrick Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 (edited) O gauge, it's the Telford O gauge show so these leaflets are for 7mm only Hopefully we'll get some more info on these soon. Edited September 3, 2016 by 9402 Fredrick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwr Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Why can't they make something that's not GWR! Hattons A3 andA4 don't count! They are a commission How about a BR Standard 4 tank -pretty universal Paul R 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndg910 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Simple economics am afraid. A BR Standard can only be correctly produced in BR livery. A big 4 loco has that livery as well and ok there may be detail variations such as tender or top feed but it appeals to a wider market. The post nationalisation market is by far the largest but if the tooling can be stretched a bit further then the bean counters are pleased. The 43xx also has the R.O.D. Livery. I'm not a 7mm modeller but as the blue boys don't look like reworking the old Mainline version any time soon, this has the potential to be a good investment if the CAD can be scaled down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 The class2 moguls were painted in lined black and faux GWR lined green. They could be seen all over the place (often on one-coach trains) and were light enough for most lines, Also had a tender cab so no turn-table needed. I suspect it would not be too difficult to produce the Ivatt LMS loco at the same time which would allow LMS livery and extend the area where they could be seen. Ed...................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 Who knows what will follow, the fact is GW locos sell! So if these do well then others will follow. Plus there's lots of parts that can be reused from the large prairie. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted September 7, 2016 Author Share Posted September 7, 2016 Just in from Heljan 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9402 Fredrick Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Just pre-ordered the lined green one from Hattons earlier, can't wait, will be getting one of the 4 coach suburban sets for it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Looking good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenwall Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 One wonders. Having done the prairie, Heljan do the mogul because many/some of the parts are common to both. In doing so they do the tender. What other engines used these tenders and might conceivably follow in due course - always assuming the mould(s) has/have been spec'd for extended use? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted September 7, 2016 Author Share Posted September 7, 2016 I suppose the manor would be the obvious candidate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 I suppose the manor would be the obvious candidate Collett 2251 0-6-0 too maybe, at least early on...? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted September 7, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 7, 2016 Not remotely concerned this early but the tender buffers seem to be a sort of morphing of taper and parallel! I only mention it as it reminds us this is an engineering process and not necessarily a modeller with a gift for design! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall5 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 I realize that the virtual images are only representative of the final model but I am puzzled as to which of the many 43xx variants they are meant to represent. To suggest that there were only 2 versions "early" and "later B.R." is an over simplification IMHO. It is hard to be certain in the absence of a 'side on' image but it looks as if the model has the 'County' (4-4-0) cab which was, IIRC, 9" longer (as were the frames) than the first series 4301 -20 which had the short 'Saint' cab. This puts the model in the batches from 4321 to around 5380 when splashers, cab roofs and then motion brackets started to change, however for an "early" loco it should have the copper capped parallel chimney whereas the image shows the later tapered cast iron chimney which shouldn't have a copper cap. Further, just adding outside steampipes and Collett buffers does not make it a B.R. version as many went to the scrapyards still with inside steampipes and Dean buffers. Sorry if this sounds pedantic ( I've got a bit of a 'bee in my bonnet' about Moguls - see my posts elsewhere) but if I were to spend the best part of 800 quid on a mass-produced model I'd want it to be correct. I am glad however that Heljan are at least trying. BTW the 3500g. tenders were re-used from withdrawn locos and 'pooled' to a degree. IIRC 7812 had a 1908 built tender when withdrawn so these tenders could appear on 28xx, 78xx, some 68xx but most Collett goods had 3000g. ones and some even had 2500g. or 4000g. ROD ones. Ray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 I realize that the virtual images are only representative of the final model but I am puzzled as to which of the many 43xx variants they are meant to represent. To suggest that there were only 2 versions "early" and "later B.R." is an over simplification IMHO. It is hard to be certain in the absence of a 'side on' image but it looks as if the model has the 'County' (4-4-0) cab which was, IIRC, 9" longer (as were the frames) than the first series 4301 -20 which had the short 'Saint' cab. This puts the model in the batches from 4321 to around 5380 when splashers, cab roofs and then motion brackets started to change, however for an "early" loco it should have the copper capped parallel chimney whereas the image shows the later tapered cast iron chimney which shouldn't have a copper cap. Further, just adding outside steampipes and Collett buffers does not make it a B.R. version as many went to the scrapyards still with inside steampipes and Dean buffers. Sorry if this sounds pedantic ( I've got a bit of a 'bee in my bonnet' about Moguls - see my posts elsewhere) but if I were to spend the best part of 800 quid on a mass-produced model I'd want it to be correct. I am glad however that Heljan are at least trying. BTW the 3500g. tenders were re-used from withdrawn locos and 'pooled' to a degree. IIRC 7812 had a 1908 built tender when withdrawn so these tenders could appear on 28xx, 78xx, some 68xx but most Collett goods had 3000g. ones and some even had 2500g. or 4000g. ROD ones. Ray. Heljan's facebook post quotes thus "The model will be based on the prototype locomotives 4321 - 4399 and 5300 - 5383" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall5 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Heljan's facebook post quotes thus "The model will be based on the prototype locomotives 4321 - 4399 and 5300 - 5383" Thanks David, I seldom use Facebook so hadn't seen it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewey13 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Just pre-ordered the lined green one from Hattons earlier, can't wait, will be getting one of the 4 coach suburban sets for it. Hi which set of coaches are you going for??. Duncan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9402 Fredrick Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Hi which set of coaches are you going for??. Duncan The Lionheart GWR Suburban coaches, one of the 4 coach ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev_Lewis Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 With this and the Minerva Panniers next year is going to be a very expensive year! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenwall Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Slightly different cad renderings have now been put up on Tower models website Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 Hear are the latest CAD updates from Heljan. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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