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And so to the letter "D"....

 

First up is No.1577, a Wainwright ex-SECR D class loco in lined olive from an SE Finecast kit:

 

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Which is followed closely by examples from two very different D1 classes - the first being a Maunsell ex-SECR D1 4-4-0, no.1492 from a DJH kit:

 

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whilst the second is a Stroudley ex-LB&SCR D1 0-6-0T tank loco from an SE Finecast kit:

 

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Following these are two examples of the Drummond ex-LSWR D15; the first is no.472 from a PDK kit:

 

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whilst the second is the recently released RTR model by OO Works, no.463:

 

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I have recently written a review of this model form Graham Muspratt but I am not sure whether he has yet published it.

 

Finally, to complete the letter "D", we have an ex-LB&SCR Billinton D3, no.2367 from a Chivers Finelines kit:

 

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I am a great fan of the Brighton tanks, of which the D1 and D3 above are great examples.

 

All of the kit-built locos above, i.e. excepting the OO Works D15 were built and painted for me by Chris Phillips.

 

Now before someone points it out, there was just one D3X loco, of which I do not have a model, however, my understanding is that the boiler was just 3" larger in diameter - so less than 1mm in OO scale, i.e. invisible to most. On this basis it is not on my missing models list, unless of course, someone wants to tell me that there was some other, and more striking difference that makes it worthy of modelling!

 

Tony

[Edited to correct the omission of the name of the loco builder!]

 

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Tony, 

 

Far too much 'Olive Drab' for my liking  :no:

 

That SECR D is gorgeous! (as is the real thing in lined SECR livery), I too am a big fan of the Brighton tanks, Chris P is a very talented builder. My next comment may be of unpopular opinion, but I think I like the PDK D15 more than the OO works version, which seems to have, a moulded smokebox dart, and no rivets, lining missing from the cab front, tender recess, and none from the footplate sides down. The wheels also appear to be black, although maybe that's just me not looking hard enough. 

 

That being said, it is by no means 'Bad', and no one else has produced a D15, so I must comment them for doing that (along with the L1). 

 

Looking forward to the E's!

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Far too much 'Olive Drab' for my liking  :no:

 

That SECR D is gorgeous! (as is the real thing in lined SECR livery), I too am a big fan of the Brighton tanks, Chris P is a very talented builder. My next comment may be of unpopular opinion, but I think I like the PDK D15 more than the OO works version, which seems to have, a moulded smokebox dart, and no rivets, lining missing from the cab front, tender recess, and none from the footplate sides down. The wheels also appear to be black, although maybe that's just me not looking hard enough. 

 

That being said, it is by no means 'Bad', and no one else has produced a D15, so I must comment them for doing that (along with the L1). 

 

Looking forward to the E's!

i must admit, i tend to agree regarding oo works models. They often appear pretty basic. Especially if one regards how much they cost.
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And so to the letter "D"....

 

First up is No.1577, a Wainwright ex-SECR D class loco in lined olive from an SE Finecast kit:

 

attachicon.gifSJPP417000202180417.jpg

 

Which is followed closely by examples from two very different D1 classes - the first being a Maunsell ex-SECR D1 4-4-0, no.1492 from a DJH kit:

 

attachicon.gifSJPP417000402180417.jpg

 

whilst the second is a Stroudley ex-LB&SCR D1 0-6-0T tank loco from an SE Finecast kit:

 

attachicon.gifSJPP417000302180417.jpg

 

Following these are two examples of the Drummond ex-LSWR D15; the first is no.472 from a PDK kit:

 

attachicon.gifSJPP318001702180318.jpg

 

whilst the second is the recently released RTR model by OO Works, no.463:

 

attachicon.gifSJPP318001602180318.jpg

 

I have recently written a review of this model form Graham Muspratt but I am not sure whether he has yet published it.

 

Finally, to complete the letter "D", we have an ex-LB&SCR Billinton D3, no.2367 from a Chivers Finelines kit:

 

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I am a great fan of the Brighton tanks, of which the D1 and D3 above are great examples.

 

All of the kit-built locos above, i.e. excepting the OO Works D15 were built and painted for me by Chris Phillips.

 

Now before someone points it out, there was just one D3X loco, of which I do not have a model, however, my understanding is that the boiler was just 3" larger in diameter - so less than 1mm in OO scale, i.e. invisible to most. On this basis it is not on my missing models list, unless of course, someone wants to tell me that there was some other, and more striking difference that makes it worthy of modelling!

 

Tony

[Edited to correct the omission of the name of the loco builder!]

I think the two D3Xs (2396 withdrawn 1937 & 2397 withdrawn 1948) did look quite distinctive. Yes the boiler was only 3" 'fatter' but it was pitched 7.75" higher and had a longer circular smokebox  on a saddle.  The cab was also raised 8.5" and the dome and chimney were shorter.  Still there was only one in 1947 and where are you going to get a model! :-)  

 

Chris KT

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I think the two D3Xs (2396 withdrawn 1937 & 2397 withdrawn 1948) did look quite distinctive. Yes the boiler was only 3" 'fatter' but it was pitched 7.75" higher and had a longer circular smokebox  on a saddle.  The cab was also raised 8.5" and the dome and chimney were shorter.  Still there was only one in 1947 and where are you going to get a model! :-)  

 

Chris KT

Chris

 

OK I give in! :O

 

Here is the updated "missing" loco list from A to D:

 

SECR Wainwright B1

LB&SCR Billinton B4X

LB&SCR Marsh C3

LSWR Drummond C14

LB&SCR Marsh D3X

 

As you say, where I am going to get one of these from, I have no idea! :scratchhead:

(Answers on a postcard please).

 

Tony

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OK, time we made a start on the "E's", and so here is No.1515, a Wainwright ex-SECR E class from a SE Finecast kit:

 

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Followed closely by No.1160, a Maunsell ex-SECR E1 from a DJH kit:

 

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This is where the Southern Railway can get confusing, because, next up is another, completely different, E1:

 

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this being an No.2122, ex-LB&SCR Stroudley E1 from a SE Finecast kit.

 

After that comes No.2096, a Maunsell SR class E1R from a SE Finecast kit:

 

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Finally for today - but only half way through the "E's" - is this Billinton, ex-LB&SCR E2, No.2103:

 

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As before, each of these was built and painted for me by Chris Phillips - no connection, other than as a satisfied customer.

 

In my next post I hope to provide an update on the layout as "The Brewer's Tap" PH is all but complete and just awaits signage and its chimney pots.

 

Tony

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Looking excellent as usual Tony! (- I am getting around to replying to your email, busy time at work you see)

 

I always thought the SECR E had really odd number placement on the rear splasher, it is a very handsome prototype though!

 

Looking forward to see the rest of the E's!

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I think the two D3Xs (2396 withdrawn 1937 & 2397 withdrawn 1948) did look quite distinctive. Yes the boiler was only 3" 'fatter' but it was pitched 7.75" higher and had a longer circular smokebox  on a saddle.  The cab was also raised 8.5" and the dome and chimney were shorter.  Still there was only one in 1947 and where are you going to get a model! :-)  

 

Chris KT

There's a nice photo of the D3X in BR livery in Mike Morant's superb collection which shows how distinctive the rebuilds were.

https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/keyword/d3x%3Blbscr%3Bbillinton/i-FGq5sNB/A

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Before I continue with the A-Z of SR loco's it is time for an update on scenic progress with the layout!

 

I am pleased to report that the "Brewery Tap" public house adjacent to Wadleys Brewery is finally open for business, being (almost) complete and installed on the layout!

 

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It sits conveniently close to the brewery and is the favourite haunt of the dray men when their work is done - alongside the SR men from Churminster Goods yard, the Wellard Timber men, and the Southdown crews from the adjacent bus garage!

 

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The pub originally sat in large gardens but Sir Wally Wadley, realising that these were under-utilised, decided to lease the garden space to Southdown Buses, and although the ground floor rear windows were bricked up at this point, this also had a positive effect upon trade!

 

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The pub now lacks only its decorative sign - which is in the hands of our resident and very capable artist, plus gates and a few barrels to its side yard; note the bollards installed at the rear after an (allegedly) partly inebriated driver reversed his bus into the rear wall of the pub!

 

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Attention will now focus upon finally getting the roof onto that goods shed!

 

Tony

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Time to complete the "E"'s!

 

First off is an ex-LB&SCR Billinton E3, No.2167 from a kit by EB Models in early Maunsell lined goods black:

 

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Immediately followed by a selection of ex-LB&SCR Billinton E4's, the first being No.2469 by OO Works in lined olive

 

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and the second being a further OO Works model, No.2473 in black:

 

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Then we have a Branchlines example, No.2505 in lined olive

 

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and finally No.2517, a Bachmann model in the same livery

 

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Moving on to the ex-LB&SCR Billinton E5, we have No.2592, from a SE Finecast kit

 

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and lastly, to complete the "E's", an ex-LB&SCR Billinton E6, No.2415 also from an SE Finecast kit and in that early Maunsell lined black:

 

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As before, the kit-built examples are by Chris Phillips, and I should also mention that the majority of my locos have crew in them by Martin Hill of Masterpiece Falcon Figures - again, no connection except as a very satisfied customer.

 

Now I realise that there are "x" suffix versions of the E4, E5, and E6 which I do not have, and until now ere not on my "missing" loco's list , but in the spirit of completeness, here is the newly extended list up to and including "E":

 

SECR Wainwright B1

LB&SCR Billinton B4X

LB&SCR Marsh C3

LSWR Drummond C14

LB&SCR Marsh D3X

LB&SCR Billinton E4X

LB&SCR Billinton E5X

LB&SCR Billinton E6X

 

The ever-growing list means that I am going to have to devise a plan to get these models added to the collection by some means - but I have no idea how!

 

Tony

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Time to complete the "E"'s!

 

First off is an ex-LB&SCR Billinton E3, No.2167 from a kit by EB Models in early Maunsell lined goods black:

 

attachicon.gifSJPP420000602180420.jpg

 

Immediately followed by a selection of ex-LB&SCR Billinton E4's, the first being No.2469 by OO Works in lined olive

 

attachicon.gifSJPP420000702180420.jpg

 

and the second being a further OO Works model, No.2573 in black:

 

attachicon.gifSJPP420000202180420.jpg

 

Then we have a Branchlines example, No.2505 in lined olive

 

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and finally No.2517, a Bachmann model in the same livery

 

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Moving on to the ex-LB&SCR Billinton E5, we have No.2592, from a SE Finecast kit

 

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and lastly, to complete the "E's", an ex-LB&SCR Billinton E6, No.2415 also from an SE Finecast kit and in that early Maunsell lined black:

 

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As before, the kit-built examples are by Chris Phillips, and I should also mention that the majority of my locos have crew in them by Martin Hill of Masterpiece Falcon Figures - again, no connection except as a very satisfied customer.

 

Now I realise that there are "x" suffix versions of the E4, E5, and E6 which I do not have, and until now ere not on my "missing" loco's list , but in the spirit of completeness, here is the newly extended list up to and including "E":

 

SECR Wainwright B1

LB&SCR Billinton B4X

LB&SCR Marsh C3

LSWR Drummond C14

LB&SCR Marsh D3X

LB&SCR Billinton E4X

LB&SCR Billinton E5X

LB&SCR Billinton E6X

 

The ever-growing list means that I am going to have to devise a plan to get these models added to the collection by some means - but I have no idea how!

 

Tony

Why so many E4s Tony? Did better examples come along after the kits, or do you just like them?

 

Andy

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Why so many E4s Tony? Did better examples come along after the kits, or do you just like them?

 

Andy

Andy

 

I am quite a fan of the Brighton tanks generally, and the E4 in particular - but I suppose there is also an element of each model being an improvement on the last.

The Bachmann E4 is really pretty good!

 

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Time to complete the "E"'s!

 

First off is an ex-LB&SCR Billinton E3, No.2167 from a kit by EB Models in early Maunsell lined goods black:

 

attachicon.gifSJPP420000602180420.jpg

 

Immediately followed by a selection of ex-LB&SCR Billinton E4's, the first being No.2469 by OO Works in lined olive

 

attachicon.gifSJPP420000702180420.jpg

 

and the second being a further OO Works model, No.2573 in black:

 

attachicon.gifSJPP420000202180420.jpg

 

Then we have a Branchlines example, No.2505 in lined olive

 

attachicon.gifSJPP422000702180422.jpg

 

and finally No.2517, a Bachmann model in the same livery

 

attachicon.gifSJPP422000102180422.jpg

 

 

Moving on to the ex-LB&SCR Billinton E5, we have No.2592, from a SE Finecast kit

 

attachicon.gifSJPP420000502180420.jpg

 

and lastly, to complete the "E's", an ex-LB&SCR Billinton E6, No.2415 also from an SE Finecast kit and in that early Maunsell lined black:

 

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As before, the kit-built examples are by Chris Phillips, and I should also mention that the majority of my locos have crew in them by Martin Hill of Masterpiece Falcon Figures - again, no connection except as a very satisfied customer.

 

Now I realise that there are "x" suffix versions of the E4, E5, and E6 which I do not have, and until now ere not on my "missing" loco's list , but in the spirit of completeness, here is the newly extended list up to and including "E":

 

SECR Wainwright B1

LB&SCR Billinton B4X

LB&SCR Marsh C3

LSWR Drummond C14

LB&SCR Marsh D3X

LB&SCR Billinton E4X

LB&SCR Billinton E5X

LB&SCR Billinton E6X

 

The ever-growing list means that I am going to have to devise a plan to get these models added to the collection by some means - but I have no idea how!

 

Tony

Rodney Stenning (weald?) Produced a kit for the E4x. Though im not sure if it is still available. I do have a couple of his kits in my 'one day ' stash.
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Rodney Stenning (weald?) Produced a kit for the E4x. Though im not sure if it is still available. I do have a couple of his kits in my 'one day ' stash.

I think the one that I quoted as 'Branchlines' is actually the Rodney Stenning model - but I could be wrong... :scratchhead:

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I think the one that I quoted as 'Branchlines' is actually the Rodney Stenning model - but I could be wrong... :scratchhead:i think you are right. I didnt realise Rodney had done the E4x until i bought what i thought was an E4 kit off ebay and the E4x kit arrived. A fortunate mistake

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I think the one that I quoted as 'Branchlines' is actually the Rodney Stenning model - but I could be wrong... :scratchhead:i think you are right. I didnt realise Rodney had done the E4x until i bought what i thought was an E4 kit off ebay and the E4x kit arrived. A fortunate mistake

Tony

 

According to the SEmG site Rodney Stenning produced only one kit - for the E4 - but according to the Brighton Circle site, there is a kit, or at least a resin body for the E4x, produced by Dean Sidings.

So I think my description of the Branchlines model that I have is correct in saying that it is an E4 rather than an E4x.

The bad news is that the Brighton Circle's 4mm model page: http://www.lbscr.org/Models/4mm.html does not list kits for any of my missing LB&SCR loco's, so securing them will be a struggle!

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According to the SEmG site Rodney Stenning produced only one kit - for the E4 - but according to the Brighton Circle site, there is a kit, or at least a resin body for the E4x, produced by Dean Sidings.

So I think my description of the Branchlines model that I have is correct in saying that it is an E4 rather than an E4x.

The bad news is that the Brighton Circle's 4mm model page: http://www.lbscr.org/Models/4mm.html does not list kits for any of my missing LB&SCR loco's, so securing them will be a struggle!

Tony

i had only recently had these 2 kits out to find out what extra parts i need to build them. I can assure you the kits are different. Definitely an E4 and an E4x. Ill get them out again at some point and grab some pics. May even make a start on them.
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i had only recently had these 2 kits out to find out what extra parts i need to build them. I can assure you the kits are different. Definitely an E4 and an E4x. Ill get them out again at some point and grab some pics. May even make a start on them.

 

That would be mighty helpful - if there is an E4x kit I'd like to find one - I am afraid that past experience means that I would not touch the Dean Sidings moulding with a very long barge pole!

 

Tony

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That would be mighty helpful - if there is an E4x kit I'd like to find one - I am afraid that past experience means that I would not touch the Dean Sidings moulding with a very long barge pole!

 

Tony

 

Tony, 

 

I know that the current E4 model breaks down into its component parts, as an alternative you could take a Bachmann E4 and hack it around? You can remove the body from the running plate, then remove the tanks/boiler from the cab, then you could have either:

 

Someone 3D print the E4x boiler

Have someone build the boiler out of brass

 

I doubt that either of these would be too complex, it would then just need some fettling with the side tanks, and the boiler fittings added - which you could probably nab from the previous E4 boiler. I know the E4 is an excellent runner and this RTR/Kitbash would be a cheaper alternative to a full kitbuild. There may be other things I haven't considered, but it's a thought!

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I am sure you are right - there will be a way.

Because I have only just added this to the "missing" list I have not yet given any thought to how a model could be produced.

Ultimately I intend to develop a plan for each and every "missing" loco - I know, I'm crazy! :jester:

 

Tony

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Tony, 

 

I know that the current E4 model breaks down into its component parts, as an alternative you could take a Bachmann E4 and hack it around? You can remove the body from the running plate, then remove the tanks/boiler from the cab, then you could have either:

 

Someone 3D print the E4x boiler

Have someone build the boiler out of brass

 

I doubt that either of these would be too complex, it would then just need some fettling with the side tanks, and the boiler fittings added - which you could probably nab from the previous E4 boiler. I know the E4 is an excellent runner and this RTR/Kitbash would be a cheaper alternative to a full kitbuild. There may be other things I haven't considered, but it's a thought!

I don't see why this shouldn't work.  Aside from the boiler other alterations in the E4 to E4X conversion were less drastic than in the conversions of D3, E5 & E6 to D3X, E5X & E6X respectively.  Bear in mind, though, that the side tanks were moved 5" further apart.  I know this is barely 1mm each side but I think it might show - specially from the rear. 

 

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I don't see why this shouldn't work.  Aside from the boiler other alterations in the E4 to E4X conversion were less drastic than in the conversions of D3, E5 & E6 to D3X, E5X & E6X respectively.  Bear in mind, though, that the side tanks were moved 5" further apart.  I know this is barely 1mm each side but I think it might show - specially from the rear. 

 

Chris KT

i need to seriously look at the weald models kits i have. One is distinctly marked as a E4x the other an E4. (Ive built the E4 kit previously. My memory is vague on my earlier builds, thiugh i recall it as a nice kit to build. I knew Rodney back in the late 70s. I wonder if he is still with us. I need to drag these 2 kits out. Im wondering if the kit marked E4x is in fact just one with only the later modifications. It certainly has significant differences. Will need to see if the different boiler is one of them.
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