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#101 Tony Teague

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 07:57

Tony,

Looking like good progress. I’m impressed with the dedication to your quest. One question, why are you considering the SEF T9 chassis? If the Hornby chassis has the correct wheelbase and wheel diameters I would have thought that it would be cheaper and easier (and probably give better running unless you’re a chassis expert).

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A good question - could it be over exposure to Tony Wright's anti-RTR crusade perhaps? - No, it is because if I want to move on to build the S11, then I will need smaller wheels with different spacings, set lower within the frames (to achieve the same height), and I could not do this with the Hornby chassis.

So, there is madness in my method!

 

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 08:17

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A good question - could it be over exposure to Tony Wright's anti-RTR crusade perhaps? - No, it is because if I want to move on to build the S11, then I will need smaller wheels with different spacings, set lower within the frames (to achieve the same height), and I could not do this with the Hornby chassis.
So, there is madness in my method!
 
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Both motivations had occurred to me! If you’re as good a builder as Tony it makes sense, although it would still be more expensive. However, for mortals like myself, and I suspect your good self, cheating always makes sense when there is a RTR option. If I was you I’d build the SEF chassis with the smaller wheels for your S11. You can then test fit it on the L12 to prove the principal, but then revert to an RTR chassis for the L12, so you only have to build one chassis.

When Hornby see what you’ve done, they’ll bring it out RTR!

Good luck whichever option you choose - I’d be interested to see your progress when you visit.

Andy

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 07:04

Andy

Your suggestion is a good one which I will explore.

I haven't yet looked too hard at the S11 as I have been focussing on the L12, but I have a 2nd set of etches and parts for the L12 so I need to explore what else, other than the wheels, needs to be changed.

It may not be very much.

One interesting point is that the differences in size between these models in 4mm is so marginal that unless they are standing next to each other it may be difficult to spot the differences!

 

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 07:13

Andy
Your suggestion is a good one which I will explore.
I haven't yet looked too hard at the S11 as I have been focussing on the L12, but I have a 2nd set of etches and parts for the L12 so I need to explore what else, other than the wheels, needs to be changed.
It may not be very much.
One interesting point is that the differences in size between these models in 4mm is so marginal that unless they are standing next to each other it may be difficult to spot the differences!
 
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To any else it may be difficult, but if you build it, you will be able to spot the differences easily - one of the unintended benefits of kit building!

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 19:27

Hi Tony,

Awesome layout, I love it!

Thanks for sharing, it really does give some wonderful inspiration.

Cheers,

John.


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 20:22

Hi Tony,

Awesome layout, I love it!

Thanks for sharing, it really does give some wonderful inspiration.

Cheers,

John.

John

Thanks - you are very kind, but its good to know that it might give some inspiration to others!

I am just enjoying myself!

Tony


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#107 Tony Teague

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 21:11

One of the things I most like about our hobby is the great variety that it offers; if I get bored with weathering I can do some wiring, or if I have had enough of signalling, then I can work on the scenery.

 

With Churminster Shed largely complete - OK except for the chimneys! - I have been spending time working over on Stowe Magna shed; although the buildings here were largely put together around 8 or 9 years ago, I had never ballasted or detailed the area, even though the running lines that pass it were long since completed. This picture was taken in 2009 and things had only changed marginally since then.

 

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Stowe Magna locoshed is made up of four main buildings, starting with a small 2-road, single length, running shed adjacent to the (Heljan) turntable, a large coaling tower, the main 3-road, triple depth maintenance shed, and a single loco repair shed. All of these except the running shed (which is a Scalescenes cast resin building) were made from Townstreet plaster castings and I mention this for a reason!

 

The main shed was all but completed some years ago, although it lacked a floor and any detailing - this shot from 2015, but later that year disaster struck!

 

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The building was hit by a large ar$e which backed into it :nono: - and being made of plaster, the nearside wall shattered into 5 main and a number of smaller parts! :o

 

As a result, the shed looked like this until very recently:

 

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Fortunately, I had retained all of the bits, but I was reluctant to re-build it in case it befell the same fate again, especially since it is close to the narrowest access point between this and the adjacent baseboard. More recently, however, I have acquired some "low-rise" clear perspex sheets and have started to fit these along that edge of the baseboard to provide protection for both rolling stock and fragile buildings; so I live in hope!

 

And so, having finally got around to ballasting and detailing the shed area, I have finally fitted the shed floor and rebuilt the side wall, with just the end and the roof remaining to be refitted.

 

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At present the cracks where the building was damaged are visible, but these areas will soon be repainted.

 

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So overall Stowe Magna shed is beginning to look a bit more businesslike and more like it would have been "back in the day":

 

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A few jobs remain, aside from finishing the re-build; I need to add lighting to the main and repair sheds, plus a floor in the repair shed. There is more detailing to do, and I really must do something about that awful coaling tower! I have considered throwing it in the bin (or getting an ar$e to sit on it), but I now think that I will finish building it properly, weather it and see if I can make it blend in. More pictures to follow once it is done.

 

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Looking at the pictures really makes me want to get this area completed.

 

Tony


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 10:51

Brilliant work, Tony.

I do hope the 'ar$e' concerned apologised profusely! I would have been mortified if I ever did such a thing, no matter how accidental.

Cheers,

John.


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#109 Tony Teague

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 19:47

Brilliant work, Tony.

I do hope the 'ar$e' concerned apologised profusely! I would have been mortified if I ever did such a thing, no matter how accidental.

Cheers,

John.

Certainly did! - Mortified is the right term.

Tony


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 22:18

Jack P. who follows this thread has asked if I would post some pictures of the coaching stock that operates on the Churminster & Stowe Magna Railway; this is a big topic, so I will try to weave some of these in with the progress updates.

 

As with locos, what I found when I started to get stock together for my "major project" was that not much was available RTR - obviously since then the Hornby Maunsells have filled a big gap - but at that stage I had to really look around.

 

So I have built up quite a collection of kit built stuff by Adrian Rowlands / Northstar, Phoenix, Ian Kirk, Roxey, Alan Gibson, Marc Models & Comet - many of which are no longer available.

 

I had to choose to start somewhere, so here are some SR "Pull-Push" sets with a run down of each of their progeny; my apologies for the quality of some of the images which were from 'stock':

 

 

1. Set No.660

 

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This is an SR, P-P set comprising driving 3rd class coach No.3505 and composite trailer No.5473, both of which were converted in 1942 from former SECR non-corridoer 'Birdcage' set No.600.

 

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The model was made for me from Roxey Moundlings kits, by Ian Willetts & painted by Larry Goddard.

 

 

2. Set No.36

 

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This Set was created in 1939 from former non-corridor LSWR stock & comprises 56' driving brake 3rd No.3070, plus 58' trailer composite No.4749.

 

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The model is a limited run RTR production by Adrian Rowlands under his now defunct Northstar range.

 

 

3. Set No.2

 

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This set was converted by the Southern Railway from ex-LSWR non-corridor stock in 1937; it consists of 3rd class 58' trailer brake No.2604, and 56' composite driving brake No.6487. Although I did not take a close up of it, this set is seen running with one of four 'air-control vans' No.2002 which was an ex-SECR 4 wheel utility van that had been fitted with air control equipment so that it could work within a PP train. The van was made by me from a Parkside Dundas kit.

 

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The model is again a limited run RTR production by Adrian Rowlands under his now defunct Northstar range.

 

 

OK, just in case people are getting bored with PP Sets (yes, there are more!), I thought that I might throw in some non-passenger carrying stock:

 

 

4. Bulleid Cinema Coach No.1308s & generator van No.1309s

 

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These were constructed by the SR in 1939, the Cinema Coach being capable of seating 60 on 15 bench seats and was used for staff training & instruction.

 

The model is available from Marc Models as a kit or as RTR

 

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I'll post pictures of more of my coaching & NPCS in due course.

 

Tony

 

 

 

 


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 22:27

After posting pics of some weathered wagons, I was also asked whether I had managed to migrate through coaches to locomotives, so here as a partial response are pictures of a couple of bogie luggage vans and an 'ironclad' coach:

 

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These are from the long-available Hornby BLV which I upgraded using the Roxey Mouldings detailing kit, prior to a complete re-paint, re-number, and finally, weathering.

 

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The 'ironclad' is one of a rake of 6 which forms an 'ocean liner' special and these are from Phoenix kits.

 

I regard the weathering as "work in progress" so any observations are welcome.

 

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 20:45

OK, so here is the 2nd episode of the coaching stock story - yet another P-P set:

 

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This is Set No.733, an ex-LSWR 'Emigrant stock' gangwayed pair, and both are really short!

 

Both coaches measure just 46' 6"; here is the driving brake 3rd:

 

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And the trailer composite:

 

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These coaches must be the shortest that I have and were originally built by the LSWR in 1907 and 1901 respectively, and were converted for pull-push operation by the Southern Railway in 1943.

 

The models are again by Adrian Rowlands / Northstar.

 

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 23:47

Hi Tony, many thanks for posting the photos of some unusual stock. I only became aware of Adrian (Northstar) just before he closed the business but i did manage to get a couple 'left over's' from him.


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 17:15

Hi Tony, many thanks for posting the photos of some unusual stock. I only became aware of Adrian (Northstar) just before he closed the business but i did manage to get a couple 'left over's' from him.

Yes, I think that it's a shame that his range was not sold on to someone else; I have quite a lot of his stuff and it is all really good.

 

Tony


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Posted Yesterday, 17:44

This layout makes me feel like I need a few Southern locos on my GWR layout.


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Posted Yesterday, 22:58

As it's near Christmas; "on no you don't"
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#117 Tony Teague

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Posted Today, 09:57

This layout makes me feel like I need a few Southern locos on my GWR layout.

Delighted to have helped someone see the "Southern light"!

 

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