Andrew Young Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 As part of my Melyn Valley Railway project (link to the thread in my signature), there will be a narrow gauge Upper Melyn Tramway feeding in, for the locos, I fancied an elderly Fletcher Jennings as the initial motive power for the line, still wheezing away in old age in the 1920s. Wanting something different to the Talyllyn or Dolgoch seen on a number of layouts. Many months ago, I embarked on a project which yesterday turned into something real for the first time with the arrival of a parcel. The project is a 3D printed model of 'Townsend Hook', comprising a main body, with separate smokebox door, firebox and cab roof. A straight, square and pretty accurate canvas to which I can add as much detail as I want. All designed to fit on a modified Branchlines 'Talyllyn' chassis. There are a couple of compromises to make a 3ft 2 3/4in gauge loco fit on a chassis that's 16.5mm gauge, though remarkably few. The chassis is the correct wheelbase and wheel diameter, the main compromise here being that 'Talyllyn' is a double slide bar loco, whereas 'Townsend Hook' is a single slidebar loco. But that's a compromise I'm willing to take. To achieve a reasonable price for the print, I'm having four made, with three friends paying for the other three to help me out. The photos show the parts straight from the box placed on the Talyllyn chassis not having had any work on the surface finish, which I reckon is pretty good for a 3D printed model. This one shows the component parts. Thought it worth starting a separate thread in the narrow gauge section for the build, which will be carried out in parallel to the standard gauge modelling I'm in the middle of. My intention was to use 3D printing as an aid to my own scratch building and producing some of the parts that would be more difficult for me to scratch build. Once I've built mine, my intention is that should others want a 3D print to aid them in their scratch building then I would make it available should there be sufficient demand. Cheers, Andrew 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hespertalbahn Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) ... my intention is that should others want a 3D print to aid them in their scratch building then I would make it available should there be sufficient demand.[/size] [/size] Cheers,[/size] Andrew[/size] Well, I would say so. With a hint in the NGRM-online forum you will recieve some more feedback. Cheers Dirk Edited October 9, 2016 by hespertalbahn 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 This is a loco I want to model too in 4mm scale. Can you tell me where i might find a copy of that drawing lurking in the background? Looking forward to seeing the finished article. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 By any chance, would this work on a Hornby W4 Peckett chassis? I have been rather fond of this particular locomotive, but I have tried to build a Peace Talyllyn and the chassis defeated me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 By the way, I do fully intend to purchase a 3D-printed "Scrach-Aid" for this loco should it become available. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Young Posted October 18, 2016 Author Share Posted October 18, 2016 This is a loco I want to model too in 4mm scale. Can you tell me where i might find a copy of that drawing lurking in the background? Looking forward to seeing the finished article. The drawing is in: Townsend Hook and the Railways of the Dorking Greystone Lime Co. Ltd By J.L. Townsend. Its A5 sized with a pink cover, ISBN 0 9504720 4 2 published by the Brockham Museum in 1980. First knew about it when I saw the copy that I now have on Andrew Neale's book stall at the 7mmNGA Convention a few years back. Cheers, Andrew 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Young Posted October 18, 2016 Author Share Posted October 18, 2016 By any chance, would this work on a Hornby W4 Peckett chassis? I have been rather fond of this particular locomotive, but I have tried to build a Peace Talyllyn and the chassis defeated me. The honest answer is I don't know as I haven't seen the Hornby Peckett yet. Though I may well be tempted by one when they appear, even if it did mean another modelling distraction that I don't need.... Do you know the wheelbase, wheel diameter and how the motor is fitted? Cheers, Andrew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NeilHB Posted October 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2016 Having seen the model in the flesh in the pub last night I can confirm it is rather nice! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Young Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 Been a while since the last update. Spent some time recently getting on with this and now have the loco ready for the paintshop in time to tidy up the desk in time for the festive season. Ended up building a second chassis for this one, hence some of the time taken, a lot of the other time taken up when my OCD took over with the cab detail, in particular the injector pipe work. As it's the most enjoyable part of the build for me, this is no hardship. Over the years I've amassed a good bits box for loco building from Gibson, Wrightlines, Branchlines, Ron Chaplin and Lawrie Griffin, most of which came out for this model. Seeing as my loco is a typical Fletcher Jennings loco rather than an exact copy of one of the Betchworth pair, quite a few of the parts came as spare parts sold by Wrightlines when Kay Butler had the business and are from the Dolgoch kit, modellers licence has extended to putting the cylinder lubricators above the running plate as per Dolgoch. If I build another one, think I'd use more of the Branchlines parts and ring the changes with the lubricators, safety valves and injectors, reflecting some of the differences that exist between Townsend Hook and William Finlay. I'd not realised about the hole in the back of the cab until I saw the locos in the flesh in July, I can live with the omission though, the TR FJ locos don't have this, and suspect it may well be a Betchworth modification as Captain Baxter has the same iirc. Cheers, Andrew 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hespertalbahn Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) Andrew, Very, very nice ! I am looking forward for further developement. And one day I would like to have such a model, please. Cheers Dirk Edited December 22, 2016 by hespertalbahn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Young Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 Thanks Dirk, Hopefully it won't be long before the 3D print is available from CWRailway for people to buy. Before painting mine, I'll be writing down what work I've done, what bits I've used and the photos I took of the locos when they visited Tywyn to be available for others to use if they wish. CheerS, Andrew 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hespertalbahn Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 ... Before painting mine, I'll be writing down what work I've done, what bits I've used... Andrew, that would be most appreciated as I am not too familiar with the manufacturers, their offered parts and the availability of them. Best wishes Dirk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Young Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 Andrew, that would be most appreciated as I am not too familiar with the manufacturers, their offered parts and the availability of them. Best wishes Dirk Some I've used are no longer available, but will try and think of some suitable alternatives for these when I do. Cheers, Andrew 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Young Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 After a couple of weeks of feverish activity, I'm pleased to report that the FJ loco is now finished and rather pleased with how it's come out. For me, building chassis' has always been my stumbling block, they'd look good, but run terribly! (My Wrightlines Skylark is still dismantled part way through its second rebuild with a better motor/gearbox and to sort the outside cranks out.) This one runs rather sweetly with a Flywheel filling the firebox attached to a decent sized motor driving through a Branchlines 50:1 multibox. Have also succeeded (thanks to a GW Models wheel press) in fitting and quartering Gibson wheels to this one. There's more play in the crossheads than I would ideally like, but having had to attack the motion bracket to allow sufficient space for the overscale coupling and connecting rods room to flail, I can live with that. The loco is brush painted over a Halfords rattle can primer base, topped off with a whisp of Dulcote followed by my usual dry brushed weathering. Just need to finish writing up how I've done it and get the photos together into a document and then all being well, the body will be available to purchase from CWRailway for others to have a go. With this I'm satisfied that I've expelled the painful memories of my teenage dalliance with a Peco Talyllyn kit and its atrocious Wrightlines chassis kit. However, there is a Stephen Poole version of the kit, a second Branchlines chassis kit and also a Dolgoch kit stashed away in the cupboard, so maybe I'm not finished with Fletcher Jennings locos just yet... First, I have several locos and nowhere to run them, think that needs rectifying first, before too much other temptation takes over! And finally, the name. The loco is named after 'Sir Jasper', an early significant shareholder in the company whose money helped develop the quarries. It is said that he was a nefarious rogue when it came to the ladies, his exploits still being talked about in the hills of mid-Wales to this day. Well... Alternatively, he's a character from one of the many songs sung (if you can call it singing) in the train on the way back down the TR on Members BBQs, well oiled by the contents of whichever barrel we'd been drinking that night. Cheers, Andrew 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Hi, Andrew, it looks fantastic on the last pic, i must have missed it somewhere, is that a WD hunslet second from left Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toffee Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 This loco is looking very good indeed Andrew, can I ask about the name and builders plates ? They look rather different and rather fetching. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Young Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 This loco is looking very good indeed Andrew, can I ask about the name and builders plates ? They look rather different and rather fetching. John Hi John, The plates come from Narrow Planet. They produce a set for Townsend Hook, I just asked them to change the name and the works number and they duly arrived. Have no connection with Narrow Planet other than as a customer and I use them for all my plates now. Cheers, Andrew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Young Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 Hi, Andrew, it looks fantastic on the last pic, i must have missed it somewhere, is that a WD hunslet second from left Thank you. What you see is my Hunslet Mallet which was described over on NGRM-online and also written up in Narrow Lines the 7mmNG Association's Journal. Inspired by Hunslet's solitary Single Fairlie 'Gowrie', I decided that in 1912, Hunslet also built a one off Mallet as I rather like mallet locos having ridden behind a couple in France. It's a Bemo HO Mallet chassis with the main components for the body coming from the Chivers WD Hunslet 4-6-0 kit along with a few other bits and pieces I had to hand. Not the best photo as taken on my phone, but should give uou a good enough idea. Cheers, Andrew 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 very nice, ive seen it a few times on the 7mm stand a few times at shows i like mallets as well, i drew up a mallet for the ffestiniog a few years ago http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/image/55594-afon-dwyryd-with-choppers/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Young Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 very nice, ive seen it a few times on the 7mm stand a few times at shows i like mallets as well, i drew up a mallet for the ffestiniog a few years ago http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/image/55594-afon-dwyryd-with-choppers/ Very Vivarais-esque! What you've probably seen on the stand is Frank Sharp's version. Having seen mine, Frank made himself one with longer tanks on and he often flies the Association flag at exhibitions. Cheers, Andrew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hespertalbahn Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 ... It's a Bemo HO Mallet chassis ... Cheers, Andrew Hello Andrew, the chassis is Roco H0, isn't it ? Btw. a very nice model. Glad that I have seen it a few years back at Burton. Cheers Dirk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Young Posted April 7, 2018 Author Share Posted April 7, 2018 Hi Dirk, Yes, you are correct, it’s Roco rather than Bemo. Cheers, Andrew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Have you thought about re-designing this to suit the Dapol LSWR B4 chassis? In 7mm scale, it works out at 2'2" wheels and a 4'0" wheelbase. It even has the single slide bar! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NeilHB Posted February 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17, 2019 1 hour ago, hartleymartin said: Have you thought about re-designing this to suit the Dapol LSWR B4 chassis? In 7mm scale, it works out at 2'2" wheels and a 4'0" wheelbase. It even has the single slide bar! Martin, funny you should say that...I’m sure @Andrew Young will be along in a bit to confirm, but Paul at EDM Models has now taken over printing these, and they’ve been redesigned to fit on the Dapol B4 chassis. Very nice they look too! Not a great photo unfortunately (mainly as I was driving the train at the time), but below is a photo of the original model,but modified to mount on the Dapol chassis as a test: Taken on Henmore at our open day in January. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 The important question now is how do I buy one? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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