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Thames - Clyde Express Formation


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Looking for information on the Thames-Clyde Express, namely it's coach formation and when it last ran?  I know it was cut back and started at Nottingham instead of London but what was that time period?  I'd like to get a prototypical looking train for the era I'm modelling, which is the mid 70's till mid 80's.

 

Julian Sprott

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The cut back to Nottingham was around 1975 and after 1982 it was routed away from the S&C via Manchester and on to the WCML.

 

Others might be better placed to say what the exact make-up of the train was but there are a good number of photos on the web which will help. I travelled on it a few times between 1977 and 1984 and from memory, it gravitated from mk1 and 2z/2a/2b to air con mk 2s around 1980.

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The Thames-Clyde Express name ceased from May 1975 and for the final year the through train ran unnamed. From May 1976 separate St Pancras-Nottingham and Nottingham-Glasgow trains continued to run. The basic formations from the carriage working notices for the final 2 years as a through train, were as follows:

 

May 1974 = BSO 2TSO RB FO TSO SK FK BFK

May 1975 = BSK 3TSO RB FO TSO FK BFK

 

The 1974 train carried an extra SK in the summer months

The up train had a BG from Carlisle

The down train had a BG & GUV on certain days from Sheffield to Carlisle

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Thanks for all the information, it has been most useful.  It seems that though the train was truncated at Nottingham, the actual formation never really changed much.  I think I will stick to Mk1's in the train as the S&C and Mk1's, except for diversions, go hand in hand.

 

Julian Sprott

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Growing up at Settle I used to use the Thames Clyde regularly and even moved back home from London using it in 1971. They even let my brother drive onto the platform at St Pancras so that all my worldly goods could be loaded into the brake van. They were unloaded onto the porters trolley at Settle. From memory the catering vehicle was often a Thompson or Gresley one in Blue and white in the later days. Northbound IIRC it was 1S68 and southbound it was 1M86 almost always with a peak though one fabulous day in 1966 it had Robin Hood on the front after the diesel failed at Settle.

 

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