Derekstuart Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 If these are being painted into blue and grey should they not have lost the steps at the end? Of course this is a pre-production photo and they might well be removed on that livery. Also the windows do seem to suffer the prismatic affect, though again it is a pre-production sample and may look different on release. Either way, I think Hornby's approach to communicating with people via that page is pretty good. Well done Hornby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2016 If these are being painted into blue and grey should they not have lost the steps at the end? Of course this is a pre-production photo and they might well be removed on that livery. Also the windows do seem to suffer the prismatic affect, though again it is a pre-production sample and may look different on release. Either way, I think Hornby's approach to communicating with people via that page is pretty good. Well done Hornby. Also something Bachmann fail to acknowledge - so out with the craft knife! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 If these are being painted into blue and grey should they not have lost the steps at the end? Of course this is a pre-production photo and they might well be removed on that livery. Also the windows do seem to suffer the prismatic affect, though again it is a pre-production sample and may look different on release. Either way, I think Hornby's approach to communicating with people via that page is pretty good. Well done Hornby. I am sure Hornby will follow their usual ethos and ensure the models are correct for the steam era, us diesel modellers will just have to lump it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_R Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I wonder if the body of the blue/grey versions will have the end steps removed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Some trains including BSOs. Two blue/grey BSOs together in this one: 1964_1V86_Reddings-between-Cheltenham-Gloucester_3-69 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 60006_KX by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 60018_HadleyWood_1959 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 60022_Brookmans_Park_1961 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr A4_HighDyke_9-8-58 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 60103_OakleighPark_Leeds-KX_8-62 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 60065_LittleBytham_14-5-60 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 60059_LittleBytham_14-5-60 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 60158_HadleyWood_1959 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 60157_Talisman by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 60892_Barkston by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 7021_Cathedrals_1961 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I wonder if the body of the blue/grey versions will have the end steps removed? I doubt it. Bachmann's all have them too. Not a big deal to remove them but I haven't bothered on my blue/grey ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted October 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) I am sure Hornby will follow their usual ethos and ensure the models are correct for the steam era, us diesel modellers will just have to lump it! Looking forward to these but agree it is a right pain for us diesel modellers when we have to cut off the end steps and find a maroon paint that matches the body sides when we repaint the ends to maroon. Clive, a diesel modeller of the green period. Edited October 21, 2016 by Clive Mortimore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted October 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) Reading the announcement, it appears that these might not be the only new MK1s being introduced for next year's range (though the others could "just" be new livery variants), just presumably the ones that are most advanced in the production pipeline.A BIG would be nice Griff Edit Predictive text... A BIG would indeed be great (and a CIG too) but I typed BFK Edited October 21, 2016 by griffgriff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted October 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2016 I am sure Hornby will follow their usual ethos and ensure the models are correct for the steam era, us diesel modellers will just have to lump it! That's a big presumption. Never mind waiting to see. Guilty without any evidence. What is wrong with people. Hornby announced a new model and this thread already has at least three people moaning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jub45565 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 From the Diagram book index - Hornby are doing the Diagram 73 FO Useful tables Robert. Do you know why there is such a variation (over 4T) in Weights between batches? Bachmann have done an RFO which aside from the style of seats was the same as the earlier FO with no side door. The other one missing is a standard 2+1 SO. Everyone does the TSO. I'd have thought one of them could do an alternative interior. Plus an RKB, and that will be my Thames clyde sorted. I don't want that RTR though as I'm halfway through a Bachmann/Comet bash! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium acg5324 Posted October 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 21, 2016 Useful tables Robert. Do you know why there is such a variation (over 4T) in Weights between batches? Bachmann have done an RFO which aside from the style of seats was the same as the earlier FO with no side door. The other one missing is a standard 2+1 SO. Everyone does the TSO. I'd have thought one of them could do an alternative interior. Plus an RKB, and that will be my Thames clyde sorted. I don't want that RTR though as I'm halfway through a Bachmann/Comet bash! Bogies.....Commonwealth ones are very heavy compared to B4s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted October 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2016 Very pleased with this announcement. At last two important Mk1's that have been long asked for. Plenty of sales to come Hornby's way here. Well done Hornby, you seem to have been listening. I wonder what has happened to Bachmann? With best regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2016 We just take the steps off the tail end vehicles.... Cracking set of photos Robert - looking at those you might think BSOs are an ECML special but IIRC that one in the Cathedrals is there as additional catering accommodation next to that restaurant - and cracking shot of 1964 between Chelt and Glos too..... Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Useful tables Robert. Do you know why there is such a variation (over 4T) in Weights between batches? Bachmann have done an RFO which aside from the style of seats was the same as the earlier FO with no side door. The other one missing is a standard 2+1 SO. Everyone does the TSO. I'd have thought one of them could do an alternative interior. Plus an RKB, and that will be my Thames clyde sorted. I don't want that RTR though as I'm halfway through a Bachmann/Comet bash! Hornby do the 2+1 SO - it's the only Hornby Mark 1 that I have in my fleet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 We just take the steps off the tail end vehicles.... Cracking set of photos Robert - looking at those you might think BSOs are an ECML special but IIRC that one in the Cathedrals is there as additional catering accommodation next to that restaurant - and cracking shot of 1964 between Chelt and Glos too..... Phil The East Coast bias was partly because I went through the album where I was most likely to find BSO images. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) This makes me think that the other MK1 releases we have had will be released next year in blue & grey. As far as I know the only previous release was the full brake in B/G Edited October 21, 2016 by thebritfarmer 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Clive, forgive me if I am wrong on this, but the originals weren't always removed in a very tidy manner- certainly leaving a pristine finish afterwards was not their primary aim. Is it not an option to replicate the rather rough looking removal? Looking forward to these but agree it is a right pain for us diesel modellers when we have to cut off the end steps and find a maroon paint that matches the the body sides when we repaint the ends to maroon. Clive, a diesel modeller of the green period. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) ... that one in the Cathedrals is there as additional catering accommodation next to that restaurant .. You RC. It is W9276 which is preserved at the Great Central. Chris EDIT - most of the BSOs allocated to the WR were formed into excursion sets which were sometimes used for reliefs Edited October 21, 2016 by chrisf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 More BSO images: 31189_ECS_Holloway_18-5-77 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 37262_Tupton_1515_Mcr-Harwich_30-8-79 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr B4 bogies: 40030_1E86_Llandudno by Robert Carroll, on Flickr D1501_nrBrookmansPark_1245-Hull-KX_11-5-63 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr D1756_Mistley by Robert Carroll, on Flickr D9000_Pilmoor_1200-KX-Aberdeen_6-68 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr D9011_Offord_8-9-68 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Here's my BSO W9276, complete with white dining table cloths, cobbled up from parts of a Bachmann BSK and a TSO, a friend advises me that I should have moved the battery boxes to a new position. As far as I know, this was the only Mk1 BSO in Chocolate and Cream, in BR days. It was provided as additional dining space, next to a RB, on the Cathedrals Express service, replacing a compartment brake, without the need to add an extra dining car, which would have compromised the train's overall weight, on a tightly timed service. It didn't last very long in these colours, could Hornby justify this as a later livery release, as it was a very short term one-off? Cheers, Brian. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted October 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) Clive, forgive me if I am wrong on this, but the originals weren't always removed in a very tidy manner- certainly leaving a pristine finish afterwards was not their primary aim. Is it not an option to replicate the rather rough looking removal? Hi Derek Early in the mid sixties BR works were painting the ends of maroon coaches, maroon not black when the coach came in for a repaint. Most models of maroon liveried Mk1 coaches have black ends so for my chosen period most should be maroon and many would have had the ends steps removed so they could go under the 25KvA wires. Maroon ends and no steps are also applicable to trains on layouts with steam locomotives as well. Edited October 21, 2016 by Clive Mortimore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Looks good. Going to be got. Nice to have 2 new Mk1s in blue/grey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfsboy Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 <SARCASM MODE ON - just in case anyone misses it> Not sure I can buy one of these, as I think there's a rivet missing from the lower left corner of the carriage end under the second step, also the steps look to me to be about a millionth of an inch too thick so they're totally wrong <SARCASM MODE OFF> They didnt run on the Southern Pacific either so thats me out . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 That's a big presumption. Never mind waiting to see. Guilty without any evidence. What is wrong with people. Hornby announced a new model and this thread already has at least three people moaning. Show me some other Hornby Blue/Grey mark 1 which dont have the end steps, but where they are present on the 'steam' liveried versions of the same coaches? I am pretty sure I will be proved right, it wont stop me buying a few though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
58050 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Very welcome news, FOs in Intercity charter livery with white roofs in the future would make me ridiculously happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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