southernelectric Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Different diagrams. The Bachmann version very few were made, its based on the RFO version. The Hornby version is based on a prototype of hundreds. Thanks! Having scrolled back through the thread after you mentioned it I was able to find reference to the different diagrams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signaller69 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 are they out yet and what sort of a match are they alongside the Bachmann Mk1s in blue and grey??? If they go with the same colour spec as the Mk1 BG and Mk2s the blue will be a tad darker and the Rail Grey will be slightly more creamy than the Bachmann colours. Unless they change the spec of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Different diagrams. The Bachmann version very few were made, its based on the RFO version. The Hornby version is based on a prototype of hundreds. There were 128 Diag 73 FOs IIRC. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 There were 128 Diag 73 FOs IIRC.Cheers.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrB Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Hello all, The Blue/Grey seem to be on their way from China with Hornby's latest update, priced at £39.99 each! Regards Roy 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Now @ 41.99 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted October 7, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) Edited October 7, 2017 by John M Upton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signaller69 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 I notice in the current Model Rail mag that Hornby are now advertising all their full Mk.1 range in Blue/grey livery for the first time, presumably to complement the BSO and FO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted October 8, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2017 Hopefully the BSO will make an appearance in the Railroad Range as well at some point (not to bothered about livery mind) as the £40 mark is just above my personal limit at the moment for a coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Hopefully the BSO will make an appearance in the Railroad Range as well at some point (not to bothered about livery mind) as the £40 mark is just above my personal limit at the moment for a coach.It's a physiological barrier for many. Though a discount wil kick in at many retailers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Hello all, The Blue/Grey seem to be on their way from China with Hornby's latest update, priced at £39.99 each! Regards Roy Rails pre-order price £32,50.......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2017 There’s a couple of things that so far have put me off these.. 1. Lights.. they really made Hornby’s mk1’s more interesting, no lights not as interesting. 2. Bachmann mk1’s are more detailed, and more established, I have at least 60. 3. Livery matching blue/grey was fairly standard, maroon was pretty good too..l but a mix of blue shades between Hornby and Bachmann puts me off 4. Shape, Hornby’s is a different shape to Bachmanns, not only would liveries not match but height/width profiles are different, whilst some say livery differences were common, the shape of a Mk1 was not. 5. The only way it worked for me was to buy a whole rake, but there’s no buffet... which means skipping in an odd shaped noncolour matching Bachmann or Replica one.. no lights either. Against that lot, when the Hornby one was cheaper, then I started actively selling a green Bachmann rake, and one maroon rake, and bought a Hornby rake to suit.. as overall these coaches are nice. However without lights, a buffet and a higher price than Bachmanns, rake doesn’t make sense, and a BSO / FO on their own isn’t a proposition, so instead of me buying 14 coaches (b/g and maroon rakes), instead I’ve still not decided whether to stick or twist on all of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted October 9, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2017 There’s a couple of things that so far have put me off these.. 1. Lights.. they really made Hornby’s mk1’s more interesting, no lights not as interesting. 2. Bachmann mk1’s are more detailed, and more established, I have at least 60. 3. Livery matching blue/grey was fairly standard, maroon was pretty good too..l but a mix of blue shades between Hornby and Bachmann puts me off 4. Shape, Hornby’s is a different shape to Bachmanns, not only would liveries not match but height/width profiles are different, whilst some say livery differences were common, the shape of a Mk1 was not. 5. The only way it worked for me was to buy a whole rake, but there’s no buffet... which means skipping in an odd shaped noncolour matching Bachmann or Replica one.. no lights either. Against that lot, when the Hornby one was cheaper, then I started actively selling a green Bachmann rake, and one maroon rake, and bought a Hornby rake to suit.. as overall these coaches are nice. However without lights, a buffet and a higher price than Bachmanns, rake doesn’t make sense, and a BSO / FO on their own isn’t a proposition, so instead of me buying 14 coaches (b/g and maroon rakes), instead I’ve still not decided whether to stick or twist on all of them. Is this a roundabout way of suggesting Hornby announce an RB (so avoiding duplication with Bachmann's RMB and RU))? If so, I'm with you on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Bachmann could have added the missing FO/BSO coaches to their MK1 range long ago, but chose not to do so, so well done to Hornby for filling the gap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signaller69 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Could really use a new Mk.1 RB, Kitchen Car and BFK now too. BFK would be great for Motorail services now carflats are available. . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Is this a roundabout way of suggesting Hornby announce an RB (so avoiding duplication with Bachmann's RMB and RU))? If so, I'm with you on that.Not just that, my Colletts/Hawksworth/Maunsell/Stainers passengers are all starving hungry.When they said cut backs at Hornby I didn’t think they mean go on a diet ! Edited October 9, 2017 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) But every photo of the BSO still shows it has compartments!!!! https://beta.railsofsheffield.com/br-mk1-coach-brake-second-open-w9353-blue-grey-livery-2017-range--JJJA32301 Please ...not! Phil Edited October 9, 2017 by Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted October 9, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) But every photo of the BSO still shows it has compartments!!!! https://beta.railsofsheffield.com/br-mk1-coach-brake-second-open-w9353-blue-grey-livery-2017-range--JJJA32301 Please ...not! Phil Don't worry Phil :-) Hornby's Engine Shed announcement page from last year https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/news/the-engine-shed/10730/ includes a CAD drawing which shows a central corridor if you look carefully, so I wouldn't be concerned. Edited October 9, 2017 by brushman47544 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Don't worry Phil :-) Hornby's Engine Shed announcement page from last year https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/news/the-engine-shed/10730/ includes a CAD drawing which shows a central corridor if you look carefully, so I wouldn't be concerned. Looking at the link above, it appears the window surrounds are missing on these new MK 1's, going by the photos of the first running examples ? let's hope not.............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Could really use a new Mk.1 RB, Kitchen Car and BFK now too. BFK would be great for Motorail services now carflats are available. . . BFKs were not very common, only 28 of them. Kitchen Cars were also not very common. However, there were 128 production RBs, which carried lots of liveries and appeared just about everywhere. It's about time we had something to supersede the old Mainline one, good though it was for its day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2017 Don't worry Phil :-) Hornby's Engine Shed announcement page from last year https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/news/the-engine-shed/10730/ includes a CAD drawing which shows a central corridor if you look carefully, so I wouldn't be concerned. Phew - missed that! Thanks Andrew Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 BFKs were not very common, only 28 of them. Kitchen Cars were also not very common. However, there were 128 production RBs, which carried lots of liveries and appeared just about everywhere. It's about time we had something to supersede the old Mainline one, good though it was for its day.Agreed they aren't common. But they could be considered interesting as vehicles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 17, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 17, 2017 Looks like FOs have arrived in Sheffield https://railsofsheffield.com/br-mk1-coach-first-open-w3123-blue-grey-livery-JJJA32302 Anyone got their hands on one yet? Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 There’s a couple of things that so far have put me off these.. 1. Lights.. they really made Hornby’s mk1’s more interesting, no lights not as interesting. 2. Bachmann mk1’s are more detailed, and more established, I have at least 60. 3. Livery matching blue/grey was fairly standard, maroon was pretty good too..l but a mix of blue shades between Hornby and Bachmann puts me off 4. Shape, Hornby’s is a different shape to Bachmanns, not only would liveries not match but height/width profiles are different, whilst some say livery differences were common, the shape of a Mk1 was not. 5. The only way it worked for me was to buy a whole rake, but there’s no buffet... which means skipping in an odd shaped noncolour matching Bachmann or Replica one.. no lights either. Against that lot, when the Hornby one was cheaper, then I started actively selling a green Bachmann rake, and one maroon rake, and bought a Hornby rake to suit.. as overall these coaches are nice. However without lights, a buffet and a higher price than Bachmanns, rake doesn’t make sense, and a BSO / FO on their own isn’t a proposition, so instead of me buying 14 coaches (b/g and maroon rakes), instead I’ve still not decided whether to stick or twist on all of them. I wouldn't be so hung up by the lack of a buffet as certainly by the late 70s, most Mk1 rakes were used on non-buffet services (with Mk1 buffets ironically being utilised in Mk2 and Mk3 sets) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted October 17, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) A quick photo of the FO, that I’ve just PMed Phil Bullock, as I said to him, no close coupling mechanism, feels a bit lightweight. I’m sure with a bit of attention they will scrub up (or down if weathering) well. Edited October 17, 2017 by Downendian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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