Ratio Nissen Hut 558

[rue_d_etropal]

Just noticed advert for new kit for Nissen hut from Ratio, in latest copy of RM. It must be close to release, possibly Warley?

Anyway, on counting bricks, I estimate it is a modelof a 20ft wide example. This I had already thought the case froma photo that had appeared online of a prototype.

I think it will be very popular, but would be interested to see if it has internal detail . This is something I have incorporated into my own version of the 16ft wide Nissen hut produce by 3D printing.

For those who want another version, the Minitanks version is actually nearer to OO scale(1/72?) than HO scale .It might actually be the 24ft wide version, but will have to check.

[Joseph_Pestell]

On Gaugemaster's website too (but without photo). According to their review, 2 huts per "kit" and with various ends available. Good call.

 

In my energy assessment days, I had to do an EPC on one of these. Difficult to ascertain what is a wall and what is a roof.

[rue_d_etropal]

I would be surprised if inside is detailed. That was a grumble about the provender store when first introduced as it meant you could not part build it . This Nissen hut looks very nice, and will sell extremely well, poossibly more to military modellers.

 

Just dug out my Roco Minitanks one, which in theory should be HO scale to match the military vehices, but is exactly 96mm wide which corresponds to 24ft wide. This means all 3 widths are available.Pleases me as I don't have to bother designing the bigger versions now, except possibly for other scales.

The 16ft wide one I would expect to have been more common,as living/office did not require extra height. 2 beds and a corridor fit across room of 16ft.

Does the Ratio model have options for side windows or doors? Just noticed the Minitank one has separate window fittings.

 

 I can feel an idea for a scene with all 3 different sized huts. Hope the Ratio one is out soon, otherwise that area will just be open space!

 

 

I think there card versions available but then corrugations are not present, and I feel that was an important feature.

 

One of the design features the Americans did not like, and one reason they designed their own Quonset hut, was the raw state of the interior. I think some later Nissen huts did have an inner lining, but some were converted into engine sheds for narrow gauge, so interior is visible, hence why I did mine with corrugations inside. There are quite a few models of Nissen huts as 3D printed or resin cast. Just look at ebay or Shapeways.

[mikeharvey22]

A 20 ft version served as the fire station in the village where I was born. Aerial photos show it in place from as early as 1942 with a concrete air raid shelter alongside, and although the shelter was removed in the late 1940s the Nissen hut survived until 1960. So a good life span for a relatively small footprint temporary building.

[Dunsignalling]

Just noticed advert for new kit for Nissen hut from Ratio, in latest copy of RM. It must be close to release, possibly Warley?

Anyway, on counting bricks, I estimate it is a modelof a 20ft wide example. This I had already thought the case froma photo that had appeared online of a prototype.

I think it will be very popular, but would be interested to see if it has internal detail . This is something I have incorporated into my own version of the 16ft wide Nissen hut produce by 3D printing.

For those who want another version, the Minitanks version is actually nearer to OO scale(1/72?) than HO scale .It might actually be the 24ft wide version, but will have to check.

Imminent, if not already out, I'd think.

 

I spotted one of these kits among the raffle prizes at Thorncombe last Saturday, presumably donated by Peco who support the show.

 

John

[PhilJ W]

They are available from several different outlets £9-£11.

[rue_d_etropal]

they are not on a couple of the big welknown sellers websights yet, except to order,not buy yet.

But have found them on at least one site so have ordered one.

 

Hopefully I will have something built for Rainhill/OO9 exhibition.

[shortliner]

There is/was one with a false front, from Walthers, available (I think) as a radio sales & repair shop. I believe I have one in my stash.

 

Found it - Cornerstone "Southtown Hi-Fi"

 

[wamwig]

Pictures? http://www.osbornsmodels.com/558-ratio-nissen-hut-x2-ooho-40810-p.asp

[rue_d_etropal]

The Walthers one is actually a Quonset hut, the American version, and interestingly is also one with horozontal corrugations, like the Italeri one. It was an experiment to make production easier, and I don't rthink it was as effective in the field.

I would expect to see other suppliers getting stock of the Ratio one, just surprised it was not that widely available yet. I wanted one quickly, so was not able to wait for discounted ones.

[Edwardian]

Not a bad price. 

 

Might add one to the son and heir's RAF station.

 

thanks for the link.

[shortliner]

Page 38a in December RM

[phil_sutters]

An essential piece of kit for the S&DJR modeller - except I think someone told me that this one is a Quonset version!

 

In my military modelling days I had a vacuum moulded 1/72nd kit of a Nissen hut from Bellona. It was hardly a kit - you cut around the base and a few detailed bits which you glued on and then painted it.

[rue_d_etropal]

there has been a vac formed model around for many years. often notice it or something very similar is on ebay. There are also a few 3D printed complete models , but very few actual kits.  There were also ones done by both Hornby and Bachmann. The Bachmann one looked pretty good, in photos( I never saw one in reality), but the Hornby one was very odd, although it must have been based on some prototype.

I will be able to comment further when I get my model(hopefully tomorrow). . Typically since ordering it I find others selling it, and one was reasonably close.

 

One thing you can be sure of is that there were all sorts of versions, with minor differences, whether it was brick bond used or type of windows. Just noticed the ones in the photo.

[rue_d_etropal]

kit arrived today. Have to say I was diappointed a bit, but should have realised ratio muight do the roof vac-formed(as tey have done in other kits). a missed opportunity, as sections done injection moulded might have been more popular, even when cost would have been higher. I will build it up, but its inabilit tobe adapted much limits its use myself. If aframe had been done then it would have been interesting.

However it does give me some ideas for more 3D printed bits. In fact I could easily do my own frame, and then it might be possible to take advantage of the vac formed roof. In fact I might lookat one of the vac-formed nissen huts around to see it it could be fitted to my existing frame, giving possibility of a part built or part demolished/damaged hut.

If Ratio offer the corrugated roof separately it could be useful. I think they have done that with other vac-formed bits.

 

Just had a closer look, and it is a 16ft wide hut, so my frame fits. Odd I thought I had counted bricks correctly. Also the prototype photo shown on some websites suggested it was a 20ft one. All well, good news and bad.

Looking at the roof and not only is it not correct for 16ft hut, as it should be 3 sections of corrugated iron, but i think it is the same as what is in existing kit for carriage shed and coaling building, but might be wrong.

[Fat Controller]

It's a shame it's been done in this fashion; one made up of curved strips over a frame would have made an interesting load for a wagon or two on layout based during WW2.

[Pete the Elaner]

An essential piece of kit for the S&DJR modeller - except I think someone told me that this one is a Quonset version!

ex MR 0 6 0 43419 Glastonbury 10 6 1958 imp.jpg

 

In my military modelling days I had a vacuum moulded 1/72nd kit of a Nissen hut from Bellona. It was hardly a kit - you cut around the base and a few detailed bits which you glued on and then painted it.

It doesn't look like a Quonset one.

From what I have learned in this thread, I can see the corrugations are wrong for one of those.

[Edwardian]

kit arrived today. Have to say I was diappointed a bit, but should have realised ratio muight do the roof vac-formed(as tey have done in other kits). a missed opportunity, as sections done injection moulded might have been more popular, even when cost would have been higher. I will build it up, but its inabilit tobe adapted much limits its use myself. If aframe had been done then it would have been interesting.

However it does give me some ideas for more 3D printed bits. In fact I could easily do my own frame, and then it might be possible to take advantage of the vac formed roof. In fact I might lookat one of the vac-formed nissen huts around to see it it could be fitted to my existing frame, giving possibility of a part built or part demolished/damaged hut.

If Ratio offer the corrugated roof separately it could be useful. I think they have done that with other vac-formed bits.

 

Just had a closer look, and it is a 16ft wide hut, so my frame fits. Odd I thought I had counted bricks correctly. Also the prototype photo shown on some websites suggested it was a 20ft one. All well, good news and bad.

Looking at the roof and not only is it not correct for 16ft hut, as it should be 3 sections of corrugated iron, but i think it is the same as what is in existing kit for carriage shed and coaling building, but might be wrong.

 

Well, if it's vac-formed, it begs comparison with the 2 Nissen Huts in this list: http://www.amera.co.uk/product.php?range=s

 

At £3 a pop!

[rue_d_etropal]

That is just what I was thinking. Military modellers are much more keen on accuracy than most railway modellers, and if the new offering is not quite right, and there is already something that is OK and cheaper, then I can't see this one being as popular. 

It was the roof which initially made me think it was one of the wider huts. I had been doing quite a bit of research myself this year, although I was puzzled by the shape, as it is only the 16ft wide one which curves back in at base .

My 3D printed modular version might be more expensive but I think is more useful. I might also now be looking at the 20ft wide version. I think I have drawings.

 

The roof section is almost certainly the one from the other kits. This means you have to bend it a bit to fit to the ends. I am sure it would not have cost that much to have produced a more accurate vac formed roof.

 

For wagon loads, I have done my roof sections as a pack. I might consider packs of side door and window units, as these should fit the Ratio kit.

[phil_sutters]

It doesn't look like a Quonset one.

From what I have learned in this thread, I can see the corrugations are wrong for one of those.

Quonset tried out horizontal corrugations as they were easier to form, but they didn't go over to them as horizontal grooves catch rain and snow and don't allow them to run off so easily and that can lead to leaks, where they overlap horizontally. Vertically corrugated sheet can be overlapped in both directions with much less likelihood of leaks. It was the design of the windows which made my informant, on Flickr, think that they were more likely to be Quonset. They have been useful bits of kit in all sorts of environments. As usual there are people who get obsessed by every little detail. I am surprised they don't have a different set of trees for each season with people in clothing to match.

[wamwig]

Italeri made a 1/72 Quonset Hut (pack of two), looks like its a bit more expensive than when first released though!!! https://www.amazon.co.uk/Italeri-Quonset-Hut-Barracks-Plastic/dp/B0053OFR2Y

[petethemole]

Italeri made a 1/72 Quonset Hut (pack of two), looks like its a bit more expensive than when first released though!!! https://www.amazon.co.uk/Italeri-Quonset-Hut-Barracks-Plastic/dp/B0053OFR2Y

 

 

Cheaper on Ebay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KIT-ITALERI-1-72-CAPANNONI-QUONSET-HUT-BARRACKS-6163-/162102783349?hash=item25be142d75:m:m2Grg_6Trnbe_JSthdPZyZg

[john dew]

An essential piece of kit for the S&DJR modeller - except I think someone told me that this one is a Quonset version!

ex MR 0 6 0 43419 Glastonbury 10 6 1958 imp.jpg

 

In my military modelling days I had a vacuum moulded 1/72nd kit of a Nissen hut from Bellona. It was hardly a kit - you cut around the base and a few detailed bits which you glued on and then painted it.

 

Super photo ....thank you for posting it

 

Off topic but I have to ask......was that head lamp code a speciality of the S&DJR or a forgetful fireman?

 

Regards

 

John

[Fat Controller]

What I hadn't realised was that these structures, which I've always associated with WW2 and its aftermath, were in fact designed during WW1, by a Major Nissen of the Royal Engineers.

[rue_d_etropal]

The big problem with the Italeri model, is that they chose to do one of the least common and least successful versions with horozontal corugations. The rain does not run off as well as the normal way with corrugations across the hut.

If Italeri had chosen one of the more common designs then it would have found a lot of uses with modellers, as curved corrugations are not easy to model.

 

 

There is an excellent book all about the Quonset hut. I bought a copy a few years ago but think it is still available.https://www.amazon.co.uk/Quonset-Hut-Metal-Living-Modern/dp/1568985193 

 

There were no drawings(which I could use) of original Nissen hut, so I was not really planning to design a model, but a google search this year(centenary of introduction) located some, mainly because of the interest now. Not that there is much to know, as dimensions are pretty standard, and there were many variations. It was possible to deduce how many panels made up the roof, hence my surprise at finding this inaccuracy in the Ratio kit.

 

 

Brian, as mentioned above 2016 is the centenary of their introduction. The originals were more basic, normally wood ends, and windows would be a luxury. They are more associated with WW2, on particular airfields, probably because so many new airfields were built then.