RMweb Premium jbqfc Posted March 4, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 4, 2017 it's not just hatton's i have just got a N gauge 73 from gaugemaster in a box big enough to fit about 40 locos in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bescotbeast Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Unfortunately its nothing new. I ordered a 21 pin decoder from Hattons in December 2015, and this is what arrived: 12369206_10153175642546561_2442608821286786229_n.jpg because it is cheaper to standardise on one box size, both from a purchase perspective, a pallet shipping / van loading perspective, and so on - i ran a distribution business in the noughties and trust me this is the way it works... carriers and warehouse team find far easier to work with standard packaging size - and most businesses don't have the volume/resources to run an Amazon style setup. so as ever, it would appear that "cost issues trumps conserving resources",let's face it, it's not just a box, it's also the bubble wrap that has to be used to fill the over sized box (just look at the picture above to see what I mean). So that's cardboard and plastics being consumed in a quantity not needed. You may remember the "big hoo ha" that was all over the media some time back regarding "excess packing for food", well this is the same issue in my book https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/feb/17/recycling-supermarkets-packaging https://www.theguardian.com/business/2006/nov/14/supermarkets.ethicalliving http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3760654/Excess-packaging-fruit-vegetables-putting-customers-healthy-diet-food-looks-older-bad-environment.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/4640513/Excessive-supermarket-packaging-is-leading-to-higher-council-tax-bills.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blue Streak Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 I've said it before in another thread where We discussed exactly the same subject. I'm all for doing my bit for the environment and conserving resources, but when I've spent a pile of Money on Model Rail gear, I want it put into a big box with as much bubble wrap as possible in with it. That way by the time it arrives half way around the world, looking like it's be kicked from UK to Oz, thanks to the ever so delicate handling of our Postal workers and Airlines, the contents still in one piece. You can always use them again or recycle them later. They don't have to go straight to landfill !!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted March 10, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 10, 2017 I recieved today a pair of Peco O gauge waggon wheels, complete with bearings, in a shoebox size box. I've no problem with that as it meant they could not be damaged getting pushed through the letter box. However, the bearings were missing. So I've now got to send the wheels back to Hattons, they will be going in the box they arrived in. Not sure yet what that will cost as our Post Office is closed until Monday. Then Hattons will send me a new set of wheels including bearings. Big boxes going back and forth all for 4 small brass bearings! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted March 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 10, 2017 Any chance of a Mod moving this thread to a more appropriate place? It sure isn't about commissions. Thanks, Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted March 10, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 10, 2017 so as ever, it would appear that "cost issues trumps conserving resources",let's face it, it's not just a box, it's also the bubble wrap that has to be used to fill the over sized box (just look at the picture above to see what I mean). So that's cardboard and plastics being consumed in a quantity not needed. You may remember the "big hoo ha" that was all over the media some time back regarding "excess packing for food", well this is the same issue in my book https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/feb/17/recycling-supermarkets-packaging https://www.theguardian.com/business/2006/nov/14/supermarkets.ethicalliving http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3760654/Excess-packaging-fruit-vegetables-putting-customers-healthy-diet-food-looks-older-bad-environment.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/4640513/Excessive-supermarket-packaging-is-leading-to-higher-council-tax-bills.html I completely agree. As with many things this gets polarised so that we are told the choices are to standardise on huge boxes or to pay excessive costs for bespoke packaging when there is no reason at all not to have a sensible compromise which balances keeping the packaging sensible with minimising effort on the part of the seller. Most shops I buy from manage to send my orders in sensible size packaging and the fact they keep trading indicates they operate at a profit. Something that strikes me about this is the resulting inefficiency it must create in the chain as some modes of shipping already suffer badly from cubing out (i.e. they run out of volume long before reaching the payload limit) without most of the space being empty space because of excessively over size boxes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted March 10, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 10, 2017 I completely agree. As with many things this gets polarised so that we are told the choices are to standardise on huge boxes or to pay excessive costs for bespoke packaging when there is no reason at all not to have a sensible compromise which balances keeping the packaging sensible with minimising effort on the part of the seller. Most shops I buy from manage to send my orders in sensible size packaging and the fact they keep trading indicates they operate at a profit. Something that strikes me about this is the resulting inefficiency it must create in the chain as some modes of shipping already suffer badly from cubing out (i.e. they run out of volume long before reaching the payload limit) without most of the space being empty space because of excessively over size boxes. Hence why certain sections of the road haulage industry (and of course HGV manufacturers) occasionally push for double articulated trailers (think mini Australian 'Road Trains') to be allowed on Europe's motorways and dual carriageways. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longer_Heavier_Vehicle http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1232510/Britains-longest-lorry-takes-roads--travels-just-100ft-stopped-police.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColHut Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Hence why certain sections of the road haulage industry (and of course HGV manufacturers) occasionally push for double articulated trailers (think mini Australian 'Road Trains') to be allowed on Europe's motorways and dual carriageways. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longer_Heavier_Vehicle http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1232510/Britains-longest-lorry-takes-roads--travels-just-100ft-stopped-police.html Well Phil, the good news might be they end up going by rail due to the bulk You can pick them up from the parcels office at your local station then! regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rab Posted March 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 12, 2017 Hence why certain sections of the road haulage industry (and of course HGV manufacturers) occasionally push for double articulated trailers (think mini Australian 'Road Trains') to be allowed on Europe's motorways I'm struggling to see the logic here. Spending thousands on bigger lorries rather than perhaps few hundred on different, more sensible size packaging. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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