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By now most of us will know about the SLW class 24. Yesterday they launched a public vote to choose the next versions to go into production. (If you haven't seen it yet please see their face book page)

There are 8 versions to vote for, but I want to champion a loco that isn't included - 24133.

This loco wasn't a celebrity, but was a little bit of an odd ball. Following damage it was repaired with one end resembling a class 24 and the other a class 25. Not quite unique as 24134 also ended up with the same arrangement, but certainly different and odd!

On top of that it was one of the last 2 to have a steam heat boiler, which meant it was seen on many of the farewell railtours, including I think, at least one class 44 farewell..YES 44, as well as numerous 24 farewells. http://railphotoprints.uk/p916501830/h3CDF8100#h3cdf8100

So , in conclusion, it was a really useful engine, to coin a phrase. Long lived, a perfect accompaniment to 24081 and 24063, both already released, and unusual to boot.

Not only that but if it's produced it would bode well for further 24/1 and 25 production.

 

If anyone else agrees with me that this should go into production, please join me in letting SLw know.

By the way my only connection with SLW is as a repeat buyer, I have nothing to gain in this other than hopefully a model of my favourite loco!

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Oddballs are a risky area for a manufacturer. For every delighted and knowledgeable punter there are a few who only want the vanilla version. The Hornby Bulleid pacifics have sold well - but there were far more unsold Bude versions, since it was modelled correctly with a Stanier tender, representing it as it was in the 1948 Loco Exchanges.

 

I have yet to buy a Derby Type 2, but note that the Facebook options all have yellow ends, which I find unattractive. Ideally I would like D5009, the first mainline diesel I saw, at Redhill in 1960.

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Oddballs are a risky area for a manufacturer. For every delighted and knowledgeable punter there are a few who only want the vanilla version. The Hornby Bulleid pacifics have sold well - but there were far more unsold Bude versions, since it was modelled correctly with a Stanier tender, representing it as it was in the 1948 Loco Exchanges.

 

I have yet to buy a Derby Type 2, but note that the Facebook options all have yellow ends, which I find unattractive. Ideally I would like D5009, the first mainline diesel I saw, at Redhill in 1960.

 

Even D5000 was an oddball in its lined green livery.

 

Stewart

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Even D5000 was an oddball in its lined green livery.

 

Stewart

 

Well RDB968007 / 24061 is a oddball, the last 24 in service, the livery and the fact she still has her gangway doors

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I think bude didn't sell cos it was just plain ugly!

If you think about all the Heljan oddballs they seem to sell well enough.

Very true, and on top of that, it only ran like it for a few weeks in a period that relatively few modellers choose.

 

Definitely one for the collectors but, given that Hornby could (and later did) cover Bude in her 1960s form, I always thought Yeovil, which achieved far greater acclaim/notoriety in the Interchange Trials, would have been a better choice for the 1948 model.

 

John

 

PS. When are we going to get the Fell?

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I think bude didn't sell cos it was just plain ugly!

If you think about all the Heljan oddballs they seem to sell well enough.

 

In the light of Rails' current announcement of the LNER Dynamometer Car that's an interesting observation.I should not be at all surprised that there will shortly be a rekindling of interest in this particular model and in early postwar modelling in general.1948 Locomotive Exchanges ?

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In the light of Rails' current announcement of the LNER Dynamometer Car that's an interesting observation.I should not be at all surprised that there will shortly be a rekindling of interest in this particular model and in early postwar modelling in general.1948 Locomotive Exchanges ?

 

And  the  FELL  as  well!!

 

And  perhaps  a  Leader>?

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Yes at first glance in that photo the headcodes box looks standard 24/1 but looking more carefully you see its a class 25 style one with the fairing wings, it's just that they are hidden in the shadows.

 

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Hope this clears it up a bit?

 

Mike.

 

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Don't know why I'm getting two of everything?

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Hi

 

A bit of research has revealed that at least 7 of the final batch (TOPS numbers 24133-150) received these headcode box "wings" at one end or other or both.

 

I have found the following:-

24133 headcode box wings at No 2 end only as above.

24134 headcode box wings and air horn covers at no 1 end and headcode box wings but no horn covers at No 2 end. Also the large bodyside grille (on No 1 end driver's door side) featured a dividing bar which had been swapped from one of the first 5 locos at some stage.  http://www.railphotoarchive.org/rpc_zoom.php?img=0104020020000 and https://www.flickr.com/photos/pics-by-john/30718682600/in/photolist-NNvh7C-a64wgk-ecTUrj-xfiys4-rkjTyv-8ZfNJ-6fFP4G-bkPQM8-pPnjE8-3m6AnB-euYLLG-9Umptj-fxyJn7-fopV4b-euYKss-kxJyoi-6Xknof-Kj7PW1-wXNGMD-wirg2K-MRZeek-wXNLoB-wiri8P-wXNDJp-xcZ777-xfS4i2

24142/TDB968009/ADB968009 headcode box wings and air horn covers at No 1 end only. This loco also retained boiler water tanks and a working boiler as it was used for carriage pre-heating. https://www.flickr.com/photos/traindriver/6150403231/in/photolist-anuqB2-SaDqWu-nMGfyc-8SnkNP-SZt5p5-aabDsq-S2Gp7u-4iXzhz-DgUtea-8AhYXT-fk1U3y-fiYCq5-T3FmR7-aDJpNu-oyBypU-yvihT-ox6aYC-esBqwf-6dh88K-2bCoNb-3eNoUH-D5pZBv-bBpanc-dJhvkR-6nTyfx-SCkaYJ-CGFXfp-ri1CcZ-d6gAuL-3STe3-oJyFeW-hw6Z1D-uH53oY-CV5zZV-4JPbXn-dfmgve-zv35Tb-7ZgMPi-4ThEEM-e17Y3W-cjMVGC-gULFrt-LwCE6-oYu2PV-6tQQco-8Ai2v2-RnWuCW-oKDcXB-f7Z5ST-e9MLQJ

24144 headcode box wings and No 1 end only. https://wobblewinterwanderings.smugmug.com/Trains/Class-24/i-fRvxc6k

24145 headcode box wings plus air horn covers No 2 end only. https://www.flickr.com/photos/59613544@N08/5626240618/in/photolist-9zaXjA-pHDm1x-zWcGTn

24147 headcode box wings at both ends. http://www.railphotoarchive.org/rpc_zoom.php?img=1455020061000

24148 headcode box wings at both ends. https://www.flickr.com/photos/tcs-pics/7026193999/in/photolist-dyZR2a-p1w1UF-bGT5FR-p8vFKm-pG8KA9-4zxJM7-4uUUPi-mp5fzk-4uYXLm-Py78S8-NQfWe2-wihd63/

 

My personal choice would be for 24142 as although it was withdrawn in 1976 this example outlasted the rest of the headcode box fitted members of the class by some six years; albeit in its departmental guise. It was also was widely travelled, known to have been at Plymouth Laira, Reading, Toton and Stratford and Healey Mills priory to its date with destiny at Coopers in 1984. Maybe an un-powered version, fitted with a tiny steam generator?

 

Kevin

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Hi

 

A bit of research has revealed that at least 5 of the final batch (TOPS numbers 24133-150) received these headcode box "wings" at one end or other or both; presumably all as a result of accident damage over the years.

 

There may be others but I have found the following:-

24133 headcode box wings at No 2 end only as above.

24134 headcode box wings and air horn covers at no 1 end. Also the large bodyside grille (on No 1 end driver's door side at least) featured a dividing bar similar to D5000/24005 when on the scrap line at Swindon in 1978.  http://www.railphotoarchive.org/rpc_zoom.php?img=0104020020000

24142/TDB968009/ADB968009 headcode box wings and air horn covers at No 1 end only. This loco also retained boiler water tanks and a working boiler as it was used for carriage pre-heating.

24147 headcode box wings at both ends.

24148 headcode box wings at No 2 end.

 

My personal choice would be for 24142 as although it was withdrawn in 1976 this example outlasted the rest of the headcode-box fitted members of the class by some six years; albeit in its departmental guise. It was also was widely travelled, known to have been at Plymouth Laira, Reading, Toton and Stratford and Healey Mills priory to its date with destiny at Coopers in 1984. Maybe an un-powered version, fitted with a tiny steam generator?

 

Kevin

 

Not necessarily accident damage, Sulzer 2 cabs, (and others, eg Brush 2's), were a serviceable exchange item on works visits, when you stood close to them after a heavy general works visit you could see the outline of the old number underneath. In the early days when there plenty of each sub class running, then the cabs would be generally swapped like for like, towards the end when there were mainly 25's left, the pool of cabs would have diminished for specific 24 swaps, so they would get whatever was available.

 

Mike.

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Hi

 

I've updated my posting so many times now I though a new posting was required.

 

A bit of research has revealed that at least 7 of the final batch (TOPS numbers 24133-150) received these headcode box "wings" at one end or other or both.

 

I have found the following:-

24133 headcode box wings at No 2 end only as above.

24134 headcode box wings and air horn covers at no 1 end and headcode box wings but no horn covers at No 2 end. Also at the time of withdrawal the large bodyside grille (on No 1 end driver's door side) featured a dividing bar, so it had clearly been swapped from one of the first 5 locos at some stage.  http://www.railphoto...=0104020020000 and https://www.flickr.c...p-xcZ777-xfS4i2

24142/TDB968009/ADB968009 headcode box wings and air horn covers at No 1 end only. This loco also retained boiler water tanks and a working boiler as it was used for carriage pre-heating. https://www.flickr.c...B-f7Z5ST-e9MLQJ

24144 headcode box wings and No 1 end only. https://wobblewinter...ss-24/i-fRvxc6k

24145 headcode box wings plus air horn covers No 2 end only. https://www.flickr.c...A-pHDm1x-zWcGTn

24147 headcode box wings at both ends. http://www.railphoto...g=1455020061000

24148 headcode box wings at both ends. https://www.flickr.c...-NQfWe2-wihd63/

 

The shape of the wing on each of the above machines is consistent with that fitted to Class 25/2 and 25/3 locos from new. The original wing style (fitted to class 25/1s when new) can be detected by a small gap between the air horn housing and the slope of the wing. The upper face of wing is shallower in slope than later machines and is curved lower down to meet the contour of the roof just above the gutter strip. On the later locomotives (and on the seven machines listed above), the upper edge of the wing is straight until it meets the curve of the roof about half-way down. This is more obvious on locos with air horn housings fitted; the curve of the air horn housing meets the upper face of the wing at a tangent.

 

As always, reference to photographs makes this clearer.

 

And of course this batch was built with shortened underframe tanks.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Kevin

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