St. Simon Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Hi, As part of a ramp up in producing 3D printed stuff, I need some dimensions for some stuff! I'm looking at 3D Printing Point Machines and Location Cases, so I need either a dimension drawing or a good square on photo with overall dimensions of the following: HW1000 / HW2000 Point Motors Clamp Lock Components Style 63 Point Motors Westinghouse 'Surelock' Point Motors Location Cases (any type) Does anyone happen to have any information on these? Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted July 15, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 15, 2017 Hi, As part of a ramp up in producing 3D printed stuff, I need some dimensions for some stuff! I'm looking at 3D Printing Point Machines and Location Cases, so I need either a dimension drawing or a good square on photo with overall dimensions of the following: HW1000 / HW2000 Point Motors Clamp Lock Components Style 63 Point Motors Westinghouse 'Surelock' Point Motors Location Cases (any type) Does anyone happen to have any information on these? Simon Plenty of material in the BRS-SM series for clamp locks and standard location cases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2017 There is a dimensioned drawing of a Siemens 63A available on the 'net as a PDF - looks to be very similar to (if not the same as) a Westinghouse 63 but is an Australian model. Google 'Style 63A Electric Point and lock machine' to find the PDF. there is also a dimensioned drawing of what is claimed to be a Style 63 machine on this page - http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/84830-moving-the-points-hands-rods-wires-and-machines/ You do of course have some dimensioned sketches and photos for two sizes of Reading designed location cupboards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share Posted July 16, 2017 You do of course have some dimensioned sketches and photos for two sizes of Reading designed location cupboards Yes, that's the next job I think Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted July 16, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 16, 2017 Any help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share Posted July 16, 2017 Yes Clive, thank you very much, most helpful! Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted July 16, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 16, 2017 And are these Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43110andyb Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Hope these might help for installation. Sorry no specific dimensions for the location cabinets- 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold imt Posted July 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) I have been fascinated by the information made available in this thread. The knowledge and expertise available here never fails to impress. May I ask a question (that simply reveals my ignorance) please? I am used to the "structure clearances" diagrams that are around for various scales - showing clearances for bridges, tunnels, platforms etc. They don't show signals, or other line side gear (except by implication). The diagrams in this thread seem to imply that (modern?) dimensions centre rail to centre signal must be a minimum of 2 metres (unless I have misread). Is this advisory or hard requirement? I am sure I have seen signals MUCH closer to the rail that 6ft ???? Edited July 21, 2017 by imt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted July 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2017 In the old 'Blue Book' requirements the clearance from the running edge of the rail to the nearest part of a signal structure was 1364mm. This is 2080mm from the centre line of the track. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold imt Posted July 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2017 In the old 'Blue Book' requirements the clearance from the running edge of the rail to the nearest part of a signal structure was 1364mm. This is 2080mm from the centre line of the track. So 4'6" from running rail in old money? 18mm in 00 gauge? Does this go for GPLS too? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted July 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2017 So 4'6" from running rail in old money? 18mm in 00 gauge? Does this go for GPLS too? Thanks. 18mm would be for P4. In 00 it would need to be approx 19mm. 1364mm was the absolute minimum at the side of the track. When I started we would try to get at least 6' from the rail and 8'6" on higher speed lines. In the case of signals placed between tracks with intervals of 10' it was permissible to have a minimum clearance to the bodywork of 1'6". Ground signals were different in that they could be positioned between tracks at a standard 6foot if less than 3'4" high above rail level. Nowadays gauging is a much more complex issue, with faster trains and provision for 'Big Boxes' and the like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted July 21, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 21, 2017 Are these of any help? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold imt Posted July 22, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 22, 2017 I seem to have hijacked the topic - for which I apologise. Thank you to the Signal Engineer and Clive Mortimore. that was most useful: to me at any rate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted July 22, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 22, 2017 Are these of any help? Not sure of the dimension of the signal head from the track. The nearest part of the structure should be at least 4' 53/4" (approx 18mm at 00/EM/P4) outside the rail, which would make it 7' 01/2" (28mm) from the track centre line. The backplate will be 2' wide so the centre of the signal aspect will be at least 8' 01/2" (32mm) from the centre line of the track. For the head to be closer it would need to be higher above rail level. Two documents of possible interest are the gauge as it appeared in the 1950 requirements. The full document is available here http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/docsummary.php?docID=4808 Up until about 2001 the relevant Railtrack Standard was GK/RT 5204. Issue 2 on the RGS online site is missing the diagrams so I have attached a link to Issue 1 which includes the same diagrams. https://www.rssb.co.uk/rgs/standards/GCRT5204%20Iss%201.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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