rue_d_etropal Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) If Hattons can't then I can. A diag Z auto trailer. With respect to the rear windows, it is easy to cover them, just as they did in reality. Also from what I can see the othermatchboard conversions are very similar so should only be a simple mod. My only doublt on any of them is the positions of the roof vents. Swindon diagrams are a bit vague, and they did get altered. Edited October 13, 2017 by rue_d_etropal 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted October 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2017 That is very nice Simon. Do you have a web contact? Cheers, Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 website at foot of message. I just need to do the resizing for other scales. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Looks good. The challenge will be finding the Dean 8' 6" bogies without footboards to suit. Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I don't want to do all the work and spoil the fun! I think many would just use Hornby bogies! The amount of standardisation helps with design, such as standard lengths, and fittings. It is not perfect but should be a start for most. One thing I noticed from diagrams is the various heights of railmotors and trailers(only a few inches). As to whether that was reflected in reality I am not sure. It is notmuch in models, and I did not notice it till I was looking at scaled up drawing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted October 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2017 Looks good. The challenge will be finding the Dean 8' 6" bogies without footboards to suit. Mike Wiltshire Given that a couple of months back, there wasn't a Dia Z coach on the horizon, it's come this far. I'd guess that a polite request to Simon might bear fruit. Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted October 14, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) And a U as well! And bogies! Things are looking up on the autocoach front. These are I am guessing bodyshells, without interior or underframe detail, but will save a huge amount of work for anyone like me thinking about scratchbuilding, especially the panelled U. I will probably put my hat in the ring for a Z in a while; my pocket money is committed to other projects for the next couple of months at least and this will have to go on the backburner, but it is very welcome news that these items are available; kudos Rue! Not cheap but I guess you have to recover costs in a sensible time on what will not be a high volume product; looked at in that light the money is not unreasonable. I would reckon about £150 for a finished scratch or high quality kit build coach, and also reckon that these bodyshells ought to make that achievable; more to the point, they are models not available from anywhere else of what are rather obscure prototypes, and while I have been banging on for months about Diagram N or A7/9, any pre-Collett auto trailer is A Good Thing in my book. Shouldn't be impossible to remove bogie footboards. Now, how to manipulate Rule 1 to allow a Z at Cwmdimbath... Edited October 14, 2017 by The Johnster 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Simon That looks great! Out of interest, what programme do you use to produce the designs? David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 I use a package called Alibre, which was taken over by Geomagic Design(version I now have) but is now back to original design team. Ideally I would have a more powerful computer, as Windows 10 does use up a lot of the power of my relatively new computer. I just have to be careful, but with coach design, much of the design work has been done and I just alter a few bits and pieces(a bit more than just detail though). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penrhos1920 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) I've just seen a Dapol o gauge auto trailer and I think this thread needs to be retitled "Dear Dapol: can you do your auto trailer on OO please?" https://railsofsheffield.com/autocoach-gwr-crest-n36-chocolate-cream-JJJA31543 Edited October 27, 2017 by Penrhos1920 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted October 27, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 27, 2017 I've just seen a Dapol o gauge auto trailer and I think this thread needs to be retitled "Dear Dapol: can you do your auto trailer on OO please?" https://railsofsheffield.com/autocoach-gwr-crest-n36-chocolate-cream-JJJA31543 Very tasty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
County of Yorkshire Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I've just seen a Dapol o gauge auto trailer and I think this thread needs to be retitled "Dear Dapol: can you do your auto trailer on OO please?" https://railsofsheffield.com/autocoach-gwr-crest-n36-chocolate-cream-JJJA31543 Absolutely. Can they shrink this autocoach and size up its N gauge GWR K41 BG as produced for the N Gauge Society. I asked the question re: the latter to the N Gauge Soc at this year's Donny show and they actually said the IP design rights remain with Dapol, not them, and so I'm a bit baffled as to why they haven't gone for this something of an open goal (in that it would be the only pre-war GWR BG to 21st Century RTR standards; Hornby's Hawksworth BG is very nice but they didn't exist much before 1950!) CoY Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted October 28, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 28, 2017 Choir again, Coy. I'd buy a diagram N at almost any price were one offered, perfectly suited to my needs and the 7mm has me drooling! A Collett BG would be good, too, I made an 'impressionist' one many years ago from a pair of Triang Hornby brake 3rds, painted in BR lined maroon with 'EXPRESS PARCELS' branding; incorrect but it helped hide the join... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWsTrains Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) The post by "rue_d_etropal" set me thinking.. "are we at a turning point where an emerging technology changes the very core of how things are done in Railway modelling?" Think Horse v Steam up to film v Digital; Desktop iPad v etc. If 3D design and manufacture is adopted on a large scale by a resourceful player, the 40+ year old toolings that are moaned about will become redundant in a flash. Prices of the new are high now because we are early in the cycle but as overall volume increases there is huge potential for cost down. Note this would not suffer the same volume constraint of current manufacture as each unit could be custom produced even at high volume. Such is computer control, print me 50 Diag Z then 20 U's please. Edited November 1, 2017 by BWsTrains 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted November 4, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 4, 2017 (edited) Not quite happening yet, but this may well point to the future. Worth mentioning that the modern toolings that we rather like will be redundant overnight as well, and the trade as we know it may cease to exist, and this might happen quite soon and very quickly! A possible scenario is the replacement of current RTR by computer software that either enables one to design one's own models or references already existing algorithms, coupled with the ability to order in any quantity from specialist 3D printing firms with high quality machines, which could be in any country anywhere that is able to capitalise on the technology. Painting and finishing will we optionally left to the customer or, at a price, professionally done; I suspect the Chinese will dominate this! The outcome, I reckon, will be an increase in commissioned runs of finished and lettered prints, marketed by retail outlets and possibly by clubs, museums, heritage railways and such; more or less the base of the existing commissions trade but expanded to fill the gap left by the now obsolete and moribund current big manufacturers. 'RTR' 'box opener' modellers will go this route, while the more adventurous of us will choose from options of unfinished, part finished, or unassembled prints to the extent that they are offered to us. Prints may become available of moulds for resin or plaster models, especially for rtp buildings. Very high quality maintained over runs of prints will be necessary; this will not be the preserve of home printing outfits except for very simple models! This is what my crystal ball says, but it also once predicted the future of moblie phones to be in prepaid disposable card handsets that you chucked away when your credit was used and bought another one, so don't rely on it! Edited November 4, 2017 by The Johnster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted November 4, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 4, 2017 Only just seen this thread, interesting! Thanks for the comments Ozexpatriate... After 8 pages of discussion, I guess we would like a new Autocoach Let’s see what we can do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 On the subject of shrinking, the Lionheart B sets would appear a prime candidate to add to the list as well. Not being an rtr manufacturer, I'm not sure how simple that glib statement is however, you'd have thought it would be simpler to take an existing design and change its scale rather than start completely from scratch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 The Lionheart B-set was an E140. Their autocoach was diagram N. Both now subsumed under the Dapol range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted November 5, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 5, 2017 (edited) To be honest, the last thing I would want to see released in 4mm is another bow ended B set, even if it is a better replica than the traditional Airfix/GMR/Dapol/Hornby model. At the risk of being accused of wishlisting, to which I will cough, my hope for GW non gangwayed coaches similar to those available for LMS or LNER modellers, and not a B set, from RTR is not going to be assisted by it! As for Diagram N, yes please bring it on, in BR crimson. Edited November 5, 2017 by The Johnster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Impromptu 'B-set', corridor-style! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted November 5, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 5, 2017 Impromptu 'B-set', corridor-style! Ah! Miss Prism - a Toplight - have we come full circle LOL Whilst the variations are huge, they would be great to see in R-T-R. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Very pleased to see the impromptu B set, which is what I used my initial Bow ended Colletts as. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted November 5, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 5, 2017 The GW had a good number of services which, while we might regard them as very much branch line or secondary and which used small tank locomotives, were of considerable duration and required corridor stock with gangways and toilets accessable to all passengers. Newport, or Neath, to Brecon, Taunton to Barnstable, and Gloucester-Hereford were typical of these; there is plenty of prototypical example for running main line stock, though not perhaps mk1s, with panniers or small prairies. In addition there were short haul runs of proper main line trains, such as Pontypool Road-Cardiff or Gloucester-Cheltenham, which saw tank locomotives hauling full rakes of front line express stock, restaurant cars and all! Swindon's principle was that all the locos should be able to haul all the trains if necessary (and on 1950s August Bank Holiday weekends it sometimes was), and GW locos built without vacuum brakes or incapable of steam heating were rare; apart from the 67xx/6750 panniers nearly all such were from outside suppliers such as the RODs or absorbed/constituent locos acquired at the grouping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitalspark Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Hattons, if you are reading, I think there is sufficient demand out there (whether vocal or not) for the commissioning of a proper GWR autocoach. I know there are some out there on the market. Hornby has one, but it is dated. Not only that, it is incorrect for most of the liveries it wears. I think its time we had a proper pre-nationalization autocoach. I know I would pay for one. Or two. Or three. Something that fits correctly in the 1930s and 1940s. Come along to Modelrail Scotland in Feb 2018 and tell them yourself. We are delighted that they have requested a trade stand at our show and look forward to discussing just such things. Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 The GW had a good number of services which, while we might regard them as very much branch line or secondary and which used small tank locomotives, were of considerable duration and required corridor stock with gangways and toilets accessable to all passengers. The common reality was that GWR passengers often did not get the convenience of a corridor, even on longhauls like Cheltenham to Southampton (pictured here amid the lonely wastes of the M&SWJ at Grafton South Junction): http://www.davidheyscollection.com/userimages/00-0-a-WR10-106-ed-chaplin.jpg 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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