Ruston Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) This topic is about the prototype locos and modifications, repaints etc. of the RTR model or your kit-built Janus locos in any scale. To start off, I am repainting one of mine into an approximation of the livery carried by British Steel Corporation locomotives that worked in the Rotherham area. No. 31 of the United Engineering Steels fleet at Aldwarke, near Rotherham. A variation on the theme, carried by locos at Stocksbridge, with black cab. https://www.flickr.com/photos/40928931@N05/14141737502 The first thing to change on the model will be to fill in the hole for the crappy tension lock coupler. The pattern of handrails at the front is different to the locos pictured, so that will have to be changed. I don't like those flexible plastic handrails at all, so I may replace them with brass wire. Another hole that needs to be filled in is a small circular one in the frame sides at the opposite end to the fuel gauge. Why this is here I do not know as the NCB loco portrayed by the OOB model doesn't have this hole, although some Janus do have it with some kind of filler cap inside, as per the photo below. Above is YE 2868 Ludstone at work at BSC Shelton. I have made a start on the model by stripping the bodywork down and removing the printed lettering and nameplates, using T-cut. I have also made and fitted a second flywheel. Edited July 19, 2017 by Ruston 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Ruston, an excellent thread. I notice that the 2nd loco shown in your thread also has a headlamp on the front, and for someone like me who is new to the prototype this indicates that there is variation in the prototype. The situation would be helped if there is a definitive book/booklet on the locomotives built. I was at the Foxfield on Friday and was hoping to photograph the Janus there but it was sheeted over, so no photographs. I am expecting my model at the weekend but at the moment don't know which prototype to model! My inclination would be one of the Littleton Colliery ones. I can at least start with some of your mods such as filling in the hole on the bufferbeams for the tension lock couplings. So please post as many photos of the various prototypes as you can find! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted July 19, 2017 Author Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) I was at the Foxfield on Friday and was hoping to photograph the Janus there but it was sheeted over, so no photographs. You should have been there on Saturday instead. YE 2868 Ludstone, ex-BSC Shelton. YE 2772 Janus at BSC Shelton. Small visible detail differences are that Janus carries plates on the front to show it is fitted with British Thomson Houston electrical equipment whilst Ludstone has the later Associated Electrical Industries plate. The mall plate under the YORKSHIRE plate shows a horse and reads "The Yorkshire Grey". There are several variations on the end handrails and lighting. Edited July 19, 2017 by Ruston 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted July 19, 2017 Author Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) No.34 (w/n 2594 of 1956), Stocksbridge, April 1989. 2594 was the first Janus to be built. A Janus but not built by the Yorkshire Engine Company. This is Rolls Royce w/n 10236 at BSC Appleby Frodingham in January 1989. I think there were three Janus built by RR after the YE closed in 1965. Note small heat shields incorporated into the end handrails. Some Scunthorpe engines had taller heat shields. Note also the oval buffers and the large central buffer block for moving the ingot cars. http://i3.scunthorpetelegraph.co.uk/incoming/article92558.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/janus-locomotive-scunthorpe.jpg Edited July 21, 2017 by Ruston 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I see I'm following you again Dave with a mirror thread! Excellent prototype shots as ever, thanks for posting them. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted July 19, 2017 Author Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) The Janus class of locomotives is possibly the most successful and long-lived type to have worked in the UK. A significant number are still at work after almost 60 years of service. Here are some that are still working. No.51 (w/n 2709 of 1959). This one was seen at Appleby Frodingham in the summer of 2016 and has undergone various visual changes over the years. The series of coloured lights at the front edge of the roof are indicators for the driver when it is being driven by remote radio control. I have no idea what the raised section of the cab roof is for. Anyone know? No.90 (w/n 2943 of 1965) Another Appleby Frodingham loco under repair at the workshops in 2016, with the TATA logo removed. No.93 (w/n 2902 of 1963) Taken in June 2017 and displaying another small visual difference of the box above one radiator and a low steel sheet at the bottom of the handrails. Edited July 21, 2017 by Ruston 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) You should have been there on Saturday instead. Hate to break this to you, David (Norton), but Ludstone had been de-sheeted by Friday afternoon! I guess another trip is called for... Edited July 19, 2017 by EddieB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) Another preserved one is at Cottesmore where it had been repainted in 2015. Edit to add link to Dave Fords photographs 6170 at Scunthorpe. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/85326-dave-fs-photos-ongoing-more-added-25th-april/page-353# Mark Saunders Edited July 20, 2017 by Mark Saunders 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post Alex Duckworth Posted July 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2017 Great thread for a visually appealing (to me anyway) locomotive. Here's a photo of my 2mm version. Alex. 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Great thread for a visually appealing (to me anyway) locomotive. Here's a photo of my 2mm version. Alex. DSCN2784.jpg Alex My first thought you had been quick off the mark repainting an Oxford one but yours really looks the part! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted July 20, 2017 Author Share Posted July 20, 2017 Some more detail observations: The small handrails on the edges of the bufferbeams are not present on all Janus and, oddly, the NCB prototype modelled doesn't have them but the model does. The handrails at the ends on the model would appear to be modelled as the loco is now but these were probably modified in NCB use as there is a photo of sister loco 2749, showing it in good condition and preumably not long after delivery to the NCB with a headlight on the handrails and the three central uprights and horizontal bar are absent. The buffebeam appears to be painted yellow but with the jacking points in either red or black. On with the repaint. Having filled the bufferbeam holes, and the circular holes in the sides, I gave everything a coat of Tamiya flat white. For the top coat I initially ued Humbrol 154 Insignia Yellow but it seemed to be too bright and too.. well, yellow. So I gave it a coat of Precision Paints GBRf yellow, which is a warmer orangey yellow. This may not be entirely correct for the actual steelworks locos but I prefer it. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Are you going to fit working headlights as in the 2mm one - post 9? Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted July 20, 2017 Author Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) Are you going to fit working headlights as in the 2mm one - post 9? Gordon A I wish! More prototype. R.A. Lawday (w/n 2878 of 1963) was supplied new to ICI for use at Runcorn but is seen here in the ownership of The Trafford Park Company, in its usual stabling spot near the Cerestar works on Trafford Park Road in 1994. The loco was later sold to RMS Locotec and was used as a hire loco. The windows are of a different pattern to all previously shown locos and the part of the radiator cowling where the YORKSHIRE plate was affixed protrudes forward. I wonder if all the ICI locos were like this? Two of three Janus that were at C.F. Booths Rotherham yard for scrapping. All had come from United Engineering Steels' Brymbo works. 54 (w/n 2908 of 1963) and 29 (w/n 2938 of 1964) outside the loco shed at BSC Appleby Frodingham in 1992. Note the two extra drawhooks on 29. 44 (w/n 2768 of 1960) at work at Appleby Frodingham in September 1992. Edited July 20, 2017 by Ruston 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted July 21, 2017 Author Share Posted July 21, 2017 Some more working Janus at Stocksbridge steelworks, South Yorkshire. I think I took these in 2004. No.35 (w/n 2635 of 1957) hauling ingot wagons. Yet more in-service modifications from when built, including the large exhaust silencers on the roof, a larger (battery?) box to the right of the cab and boxes on all the engine compartment panels. All the Stocksbridge fleet were fitted with automatically-operated slats over the radiators. At this time the locos and works would have been ownership of Corus but this loco was supplied new to Appleby Frodingham. A close-up for No.35, showing the radiartor slats. Note the oval buffers as per the Appleby Frodingham locos and the extra jacking points on thi loco. No.33 (w/n 2740 of 1959) This one was supplied new to the Port of London Authority. View from the cab of No.33, showing the boxes on the sides of the engine compartment. No. 37 (w/n 2736 of 1959) OOU at the end of a siding. Stocksbridge Railway Co. 38 (w/n 2798 of 1961. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 I have collected all (?) my photos of Janus together into a new collection http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/janus Please let me know if you notice any mistakes. Paul 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted July 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2017 I have collected all (?) my photos of Janus together into a new collection http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/janus Please let me know if you notice any mistakes. Paul Hi Paul, Thanks for creating this album. I'm browsing it at the moment and have already found a couple of gems... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted July 21, 2017 Author Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) I have collected all (?) my photos of Janus together into a new collection http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/janus Please let me know if you notice any mistakes. Paul Thanks for doing that, Paul there are some nice shots there. One mistake - No.63 at Scunthorpe isn't a Janus; it's a Thomas Hill "Steelman", A few more from me. Aldwarke's No.32 again (w/n 2904 of 1964), taken in 1996. A shot of the same loco, taken from a moving train, in 1988 when it still had headlamps in the end handrails and before application of the BSC logo to the cab sides. British Steel Shelton in 1996 with Janus (w/n 2772 of 1960) working. 47 (Rolls Royce-built, w/n 10236) and 30 (w/n 2943 of 1965) at Appleby Frodingham. No.30 later became No.90 in the fleet here. Nine Janus out of use and still in the old green livery at Appleby Frodingham in 1988. And a link to a really nice photo of a Janus in original condition. I believe this is one of the BSC Orgreave coke work fleet. http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/uploads/monthly_09_2010/post-8100-086228000%201283715061.jpg Edited July 21, 2017 by Ruston 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted July 22, 2017 Author Share Posted July 22, 2017 Three minutes to spray but three hours to mask! YORKSHIRE and BTH plates are on order from Narrow Planet. 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Very well executed Dave. I admire your patience with the masking tape but the results have justified it. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 I really do like this shot which will be very useful in due course: Green front from a different loco to reduce the masking plus open access panel which means I'll have to do a dummy engine like the Sentinel. Flashing hazards too! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted July 22, 2017 Author Share Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) I have just noticed how the radiator grilles are different on each end. Someone in the design department at Oxford Rail has clearly made a cockup. The end on the left of the photo is the one with the air filters. Making replacement handrails. Going back together now. Putting the handrails back was a bit of a pain but at least I didn't lose any. The non-air filter side, as shown in my photo, is wrong for most steel works locos, which have the recess but no filters but the Stocksbridge locos had this plated over, so would appear as this model. Of course this model is the NCB version but it will be interesting to see if they use a different moulding for the Scunthorpe loco, when it is relased. Stocksbridge No. 26 in 1978 https://www.flickr.com/photos/40928931@N05/14121469956 Edited July 22, 2017 by Ruston 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Very nicely done Dave. The masking particularly. Can't see any 'bleed' under the tape edges. Did you use the Tamiya tape? And how did you do the mitres, using a 'Chopper' or similar? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Alex Duckworth Posted July 22, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) I really do like this shot which will be very useful in due course: Green front from a different loco to reduce the masking plus open access panel which means I'll have to do a dummy engine like the Sentinel. Flashing hazards too! I'm also quite taken by this one - might be time to break out the airbrush and the 2mm can opener! Alex. Edited July 22, 2017 by Alex Duckworth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Hi All, If anyone is interested in replicating the distinctive YEC oval buffers then I recommend the use of Peckett loco buffers from Rtmodels, with oval heads substituted in. Paul A. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted July 23, 2017 Author Share Posted July 23, 2017 Very nicely done Dave. The masking particularly. Can't see any 'bleed' under the tape edges. Did you use the Tamiya tape? And how did you do the mitres, using a 'Chopper' or similar? Hi Paul, I used the Tamiya 3mm flexible tape, the whilte plasticy stuff, not the usual yellow waxy paper type. I just cut the mitres by eye, using scissors and overlapped or filled any gaps with maskol. All ready for lettering and weathering. Where can I get white lettering and some British Steel logos? 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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