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#1 drduncan

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Posted 20 July 2017 - 21:08

So, after an acceptable amount of lurking in the wings I have decided to throw my hat into the ring....and of course, in the finest traditions of my workbench blog, this must be Gareth's fault; the trifling issue that my former partner in EM layout crimes is not even on the same continent as me now (and has defected to P4 as well) is naturally beside the point.

So what is the project?

The astute (or just literate) will have gathered that the layout will be called Nampara for Hendrawna. It will be Cornish, GWR and mixed gauge. Those priding themselves on their intimate knowledge of BBC costume drama may conceive of a link to the recent Poldark series . This would be incorrect (I'm too young to have seen the first rendition and too skeptical of TV adaptations of books I've enjoyed to watch the second). Those priding themselves on a knowledge of Winston Graham's Poldark novels to see a link would, however, be correct.

Being an admirer of the wonderful flights of fancy that formed the basis of Iain Rice's descriptions of his North Cornwall Mineral Railway (concept modelling I believe is the correct term) here comes what, in a kind light and with eyes half closed against the glare of brazen falsehoods, might pass for the history stuff.

In the early 1850s, inspired by the onrushing (sic) progress of the Cornwall Railway, Sir Henry Poldark, son of the late Sir Ross, decided that his mining and associated ventures in the vicinity of the family seat at Nampara would benefit from connection to the national rail network, especially as hopes in the area that the Treffry tramways might reach the area had been dashed. Poldark agitated and pestered until he had sufficient interest in a scheme for a branch line from the Cornwall Railway at Burngallow to reach his land at Nampara, where he undertook to develop more suitable quays for the exporting of tin, copper and china clay that across an open beach. Work started on the line in 1858 and by 1868 was open for goods and passengers, with the Cornwall Railway undertaking to work the line.

The line was, much to its promoters' relief a moderate success,and in the 1870s the line was extended a short distance to serve an additional new quay. The date is now 1891 and within a year the line will be converted to the Stephenson's narrower gauge.

Back to harsh reality....

The layout's modeled area will be 6'6" (2 x 3'3"x 24" baseboards) with a cassette fiddle yards at the left hand end and a sector plate (probably) at the right, with the cassette FY at the operating end representing the rest of the GWR network and the sector plate at the right hand end representing the 1879 new quay and its associated three sidings.

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[NB viewing side is from the bottom of the above trackplan]

Alongside the quay will be 3 sailing vessels, all 2 or 3 masted ketches or schooners, so the viewer will be looking through or round masts and rigging to see the layout. Control will be DCC for locos with conventional 12 volts dc operating servo driven points/signals. The layout will be constructed from 50mm extruded polystyrene sheets

Back to the even harsher reality of stock for the layout....

I reckon I'll need as a minimum :
1 preferably 2 SG locos.
1 preferably 2 BG locos.
3 'narrow' 4 or 6 wheel coaches: Brake 3rd, Composite, Brake 3rd (T20, U4, T38/T49) or Brake third, third, brake composite (T20/T38, S9, U22)
3 board gauge 4 or 6 wheel coaches: Brake 3rd, Composite, Brake 3rd (T51 ng body on bg frame, U20 bg body, T64 ng body on bg frames)
4 BG open wagons
1 BG closed van
2 BG china clay wagons
1 BG brake van
4-6 SG open wagons
2 SG closed vans
3-4 SG china clay wagons
1 SG brake van
2 BG 6 wheel fish trucks
2 SG fish trucks.

So not a lot. Currently none of the above has been completed (although T29, U4, S9, T49 have been started and I've the etches for the T38 and T51). I'm also learning Inkscape to produce the U20 and T64 coach sides either by laser cutting or silhouette type cutter, but as yet I have access to neither.

As to locos, an Alan Gibson 1076 ST buffalo is well advanced, and I've also started a Cotswold 2021ST. Board gauge will have to be a convertible 1076 (if I can find drawings) or the BGS 3501 2-4-0T kit, neither of which I have yet.

Wagons: BG probably mostly scratch built (I've started on my first BG open wagon) with the addition of the BGS mink kit and David Geen 3 plank open. SG, a coupe of backdated (and corrected see Railway Modeller Nov 2016) coopercraft 4 plank opens, a couple of David Geen 3 plank wagons, Ratio iron mink (backdated of course), a David Geen wooden mink, and an ABS outside framed brake van.

As to the scenery, I originally imagined it to be typical Cornish fishing village rising up from the retaining wall behind the station. However, given the amount of architectural modelling this will require I'm starting to get cold feet and instead I'm thinking along the lines of a scale compressed (perhaps to 1:87) Nampara house in the rear left corner, cliffs in the centre with mining spoil on top and a disused beam engine house (perhaps to 3 or even 2mm) peaking over the spoil. To the right as the land falls toward the sea the start of Nampara village atop the retaining wall - perhaps 3 or 4 terraced cottages in the vernacular style. This will mean I'll have more time for...

The ships.

This is likely to be the hardest part. 1 ketch (c 75ft) and 2 schooners/brigs (@ c100ft-200ft each). I've got drawings, and lots of photos thanks to two excellent books, B. Greenhill's The Merchant Schooners and W. Slade & B. Greenhill's Westcountry Coasting Ketches. I've started marking out the frames on Inkspace to produce a cutting file. At least I'll only have to do from the waterline up as it will be high tide on the model! I'm also wondering about whether any 1:150 model ship kits might be able to provide a suitable hull for modification.

And I'm both time and cash poor, just to make things easier. But Gareth has rashly promised to make a BG loco, however, I think that means I've still got to buy the bits.

So how can you help? (if you want to...)
If you have turned an SG 1076 into a BG one I'd love to know who you did it.
If you have any BG coaches drawn up as cutting files for a laser/silhouette cutter and are prepared to share, I'd love to talk to you.
If you have any ideas on how to speed up the ship construction, or on possible (low cost) donor hulls, please let me know.
If you know where I can get sheets of 50mm extruded polystyrene cheaply (I was shocked at the cost in the local DIY shop), I'll be extremely grateful.

Edited by drduncan, 21 July 2017 - 08:29 .

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 14:48

1:150 ships? Is this in 2mm?

 

Why are your decisions my fault?


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Posted 21 July 2017 - 14:56

Ha ha. No it's 4mm, but the hull of a large square rigged barque in 2mm might do for a much smaller topsail schooner and save me a lot of work. On the other hand, it might not, hence me wondering what others have tried.

As to it being your fault, well, it's now a tradition and the British love a tradition!!!

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 19:05

Do you have an area plan showing the line in relation to the Cornish main line and other routes, please?



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Posted 21 July 2017 - 20:56

Do you have an area plan showing the line in relation to the Cornish main line and other routes, please?


Not yet I'm afraid, but I'll produce one (eventually).

My understanding is that Nampara is based on Perranporth and Hendrawna beach is Perranporth beach. So in my fantasy Cornwall, Poldark's branch line replaces the chasewater line from Newquay. My line would hit the route of the chasewater branch at Sheppards and follows the real railway route to Nampara (Perranporth). I'm undecided at the moment whether St Anne's [Poldark] (or St Agnes [reality]) would warrant a branch of their own, especially as the harbour at St Agnes was apparently a bit of a nightmare and extremely exposed to SW gales.
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Posted 25 July 2017 - 21:33

Duncan, love the setting shame about the railway company!!! I have three sheets of B&Q pink insulation foam left over from Brighton if you want them.

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Posted 25 July 2017 - 21:37

Do you have an area plan showing the line in relation to the Cornish main line and other routes, please?

 

Watch out - he'll want a map of local sausage emporia next...


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 15:38

Sir Henry Poldark, son of the late Sir Ross

Just out of interest, and no doubt you've done your Poldark family history research, but what happened to his older son, Jeremy?



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Posted 30 July 2017 - 06:28

He was killed at Waterloo, leaving a wife and baby daughter. It's covered in the 'twisted sword', I think.
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Posted 30 July 2017 - 06:30

Duncan, love the setting shame about the railway company!!! I have three sheets of B&Q pink insulation foam left over from Brighton if you want them.


Yes please!!! Many thanks. And I haven't forgotten about your BR standard loco conversion either.
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Posted 30 July 2017 - 06:34

Watch out - he'll want a map of local sausage emporia next...

Give me time and I'll try to oblige. Just need a 1890s Kelly's Directory for Cornwall...
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Posted 01 August 2017 - 17:27

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Will not be at club Thursday because I am taking Brighton to Southwold this weekend and I need accumulate Brownie points! Give me a ring to arrange a mutual time place to pick up if you want.
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Posted 04 August 2017 - 15:05

An interesting project! Why are you running both BG and NG passenger trains – apart from normal Modeller's masochism – assuming they are all going to the same place? I doubt the GWR would have bothered. Also, I'd try to get hold of an ABS kit of the Iron Mink rather than the Ratio one which is horribly inaccurate...

 

An online version of Kelly's for 1889 is available here http://specialcollec...id/112359/rec/6. Basil Greenhill is probably the best guide to the coasting ketches etc and as you have CAD drawing skills it should be easy enough to loft the lines and produce a plank-on-frame model in plasticard or similar. Problem might be the fittings though Model Dockyard might have something http://www.model-dockyard.com. 1:76.2 is not a standard marine modelling scale!. If you did go for the plank-on-frame approach you could model the full hull at low tide. Much more interesting!

 

Good luck.

 

 

 

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 17:49

Wolverhampton started churning out 2021s in 1897 according to Wikipedia. Too lazy to check Russell on an honorary Saturday night and bedtime is rapidly approaching. I think you need an 0850.


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Posted 06 August 2017 - 16:25

An interesting project! Why are you running both BG and NG passenger trains – apart from normal Modeller's masochism – assuming they are all going to the same place? I doubt the GWR would have bothered. Also, I'd try to get hold of an ABS kit of the Iron Mink rather than the Ratio one which is horribly inaccurate...

An online version of Kelly's for 1889 is available here http://specialcollec...id/112359/rec/6. Basil Greenhill is probably the best guide to the coasting ketches etc and as you have CAD drawing skills it should be easy enough to loft the lines and produce a plank-on-frame model in plasticard or similar. Problem might be the fittings though Model Dockyard might have something http://www.model-dockyard.com. 1:76.2 is not a standard marine modelling scale!. If you did go for the plank-on-frame approach you could model the full hull at low tide. Much more interesting!

Good luck.



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Dear Richard,
Thanks for the post. I did think about doing it at low tide but I think time is against me so waterline upwards it will have to be.

I decided on both BG and NG coaches as I assumed that by 1891 NG would be taking over, but I still wanted the contrast of BG. Yes I'd prefer ABS V6s but with Adrian's long illness he's not attending shows or fulfilling post orders.

Duncan

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Posted 06 August 2017 - 16:32

Wolverhampton started churning out 2021s in 1897 according to Wikipedia. Too lazy to check Russell on an honorary Saturday night and bedtime is rapidly approaching. I think you need an 0850.
Oakhill

I think you're right. I've an 850 to finish too. It seems that Falcon brass might be able to supply me with etches for an Armstrong goods with I'd modify to one if the ones converted to run on BG.
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Posted 08 August 2017 - 09:49

Brilliant plan. Very much looking forward to seeing it take shape.



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Posted 08 August 2017 - 17:04

Brilliant plan. Very much looking forward to seeing it take shape.

Thanks. Me too!

I went by Kipford's place yesterday and picked up 3 500mm x 1200mm x 52mm knauf extruded polystyrene sheets. Now working out the cutting list for the ply framing and whether I have enough sheets as I had originally intended to use a staggered double thickness of extruded polystyrene to form the sea and the track levels. I'm now thinking of fixing a sheet of 3mm plywood to the underside of a single sheet of polystyrene and have it protrude out to form the sea with a light weight ply girder frame at the front edge.

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 10:09

Right, pondering and amending of the plan has been completed, and a cutting list for plywood prepared. The plan is now for a hybrid baseboard using the extruded foam board for the land area joined to a traditional ply lightweight frame to support the sea and ships. Alignment dowels and catches have been ordered, so it's now just about finding time to get up to the club to make use of the bandsaw and table saws. And of course, then sticking it all together. Oh and I mustn't forget that I need to buy some timber for the legs...

Pics and probably tales of timber tribulations and workshop woes to follow when there is something to report!
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Posted 11 August 2017 - 18:35

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Well it's a lot of ply cut to various lengths and widths with bandsaw and table saw. And no timber tribulations (yet), but I have to check everything is as intended!!!

Legs to do and then it's time to assemble the jigsaw puzzle.
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Posted 12 August 2017 - 04:32

How are you planning on doing the track? Is it all baulk road? Have you seen Paul Townsend's efforts in this area? https://www.scalefou...hp?f=106&t=4861



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 06:24

Hi Gareth,
Thanks for the very interesting link. No, I'm planning on using transverse sleepers track as on the St Ives beach (mixed gauge as far as Lelant, I think but will have to check my books). I might do a bit of baulk Road on the quay where most if it will be hidden by ash!
Duncan

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 09:47

Hi Gareth,
Thanks for the very interesting link. No, I'm planning on using transverse sleepers track as on the St Ives beach (mixed gauge as far as Lelant, I think but will have to check my books). I might do a bit of baulk Road on the quay where most if it will be hidden by ash!
Duncan

 

 

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 16:06

Hi Richard,
Thanks. I need to order some em track gauges from the BGS so might get some bridge rail too.

Duncan

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 20:57

Hi Richard,
Thanks. I need to order some em track gauges from the BGS so might get some bridge rail too.

Duncan

Be very careful what wheels you use. I've just checked it against some old EM Gauge Society wheels, and the flanges are just clear of the base of the rail. But a Hornby wagon I've regauged to EM has flanges that run on the base of the rail. I don't know how other makes of wheels compare, or even what the EMGS supply nowadays. I sweat the rail on to copperclad baulk, so wouldn't have a problem, but if you get any solder on top of the base, the flanges will hit it. Probably one of the reasons that P4 standards are recommended for broad gauge!









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