Goods sheds away from main stations

[11B]

Hi All,

 

Daft question time......

 

Looking at the space on my ongoing layout build I am toying with moving the goods shed as I may have been optimistic with the space that I have.....

 

I was wondering if any branch line terminus stations had the goods shed away from the main station i.e 300 to 500 feet away (around 1500mm give or take on the layout), and have a separate entrance to the main station yard? 

 

Information that may be useful to you

• Ex Furness/LMS area
• BR Transition era
• 4mm scale

Many thanks in advance for any help

 

Ian

[russ p]

Not Furness area but Sandsend on the Whitby coast line had a goods shed some distance from its station

[28XX]

Nor this, but Broadway has the Goods shed on the south of the A44 bridge, and the station on the north

[£1.38]

I can think of several without breaking sweat. Don't worry about it - just do it!

[TheSignalEngineer]

Check out Torver on the Coniston branch. I think that had the station on one side of the road bridge and a goods siding on the other.

Edited August 16, 2017 by TheSignalEngineer

[Joseph_Pestell]

I can't think of anything suitable on the Furness, but then that railway did not have a lot of branch termini anyway.

 

But since the Lake District is so mountainous, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that a station might be on a very constricted narrow site on a hillside (or between a road and a lake) and therefore need the goods facilities to be separate from the passenger station. Perhaps look at similar locations in South Wales?

[The Johnster]

I can't think of anything suitable on the Furness, but then that railway did not have a lot of branch termini anyway.

 

But since the Lake District is so mountainous, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that a station might be on a very constricted narrow site on a hillside (or between a road and a lake) and therefore need the goods facilities to be separate from the passenger station. Perhaps look at similar locations in South Wales?

 

South Wales has very few actual buffer stop termini on it's many branches; almost everywhere the track continued up the valley past the passenger station to a colliery or junction with a 'heads of the valleys' line.  Merthyr is too big to be classed as a branch terminus, though is certainly an example of freight facilities being separate, at the original TVR terminus, Plymouth Road, High Street being build for the broad gauge Vale of Neath, Barry Pier is too specialised to count and never saw regular use beyond steamer connections (lake steamers might be a feature in Cumbria), even Abergwnfi had a colliery line on an ascending gradient behind it (in this case the goods facilities were at Blaengwynfi half a mile away, not so much separate from the station as part of another station).  Porthcawl counts, but again was very close to the 'town' station where the goods shed was situated.  Coryton was not designed as a terminus and had no goods facilities, but was again very close to a station that did, Whitchurch.  But I agree that the 'hillside ledge' situation was common in the area.  About the only 'proper' buffers stop terminus without track continuing beyond it in some way is Clarence Road in Cardiff's docklands, and even here a canalside system continued a few yards away.  There were no goods facilities here as such, it was only about a mile from Cardiff General, but there were sidings onto the canal system and into Curran's engineering factory.

 

Cowbridge in it's truncated form is a possible example, where the original terminus station became the goods yard and a new station built a few yards away to the east on a new alignment.  A similar situation arose at Whitney on the Fairford branch in Oxfordshire, and in this case you could not see the new station from the old one.

Edited August 17, 2017 by The Johnster

[Gordon A]

Not in your area however Midford on the Som & Dors J. R.

 

Gordon A

[Poggy1165]

Meltham station on the L&Y.

[jim.snowdon]

Basically, anywhere where the site is restricted in width such that the goods facilities could not be located alongside the station. Putting all the facilities on the same site is an obvious first choice, but where it isn't, improvisation is the order of the day.

 

In terms of modelling, all that is required is that the arrangement modelled is plausible.

 

Jim

[28XX]

Most real stations occupied many times the length we typically have available as modellers. (T scale aside), it might be more realistic rather than less.

[Fat Controller]

Carmarthen Town? From the 1960s, at least, the main goods depot was about half a mile north, across the Tywi alongside the lines that led to Aberystwyth and Llandeilo.

[TheSignalEngineer]

At Stourbridge Town the goods line continued beyond the passenger terminus. In later years it was worked as two separate single lines.

[£1.38]

On the Furness, or at least its predecessors, Broughton was once a terminus but later became a through station on the Coniston branch. Here the passenger facilities were one side of the line and the goods facilities were accessed on the other side of the tracks. Once the through line was built, they were at slightly different levels too.

 

Carnforth was a terminus as far as the Furness was concerned. This had completely separate facilities for goods and passengers.

[TheSignalEngineer]

On the Furness, or at least its predecessors, Broughton was once a terminus but later became a through station on the Coniston branch. Here the passenger facilities were one side of the line and the goods facilities were accessed on the other side of the tracks. Once the through line was built, they were at slightly different levels too.

 

Carnforth was a terminus as far as the Furness was concerned. This had completely separate facilities for goods and passengers.

Didn't the same apply at Whitehaven? Goods depot on separate branch.

[Siberian Snooper]

Not in the right area, but when the GW at Reading needed to expand goods facilities they built a new yard to the south of the town on its own branch line.

[Nearholmer]

A very long way from where wanted, but Tunbridge Wells (SER, later Central, now the only), where, once the railway outgrew the original site, the entire goods facility was moved so that it was separated from the passenger station by the tunnel passing right under the town, which is on quite a big hill.

[Kris]

Looe in Cornwall had the goods facilities beyond they station.

[phil_sutters]

Another S&D example - Highbridge S&D goods shed was the other side of the GWR mainline close to what became the A38 and the Wharf, which acted as their goods yard, was still further down the line, beyond the road.

Come to think of it, the GWR goods shed and yard was separated from the station by an overbridge carrying the road to Glastonbury and the S&D line crossing on the level!

 

Edit - somewhat belatedly. This is slightly confusing as it shows an ex-GWR loco hauling a S&D line goods train from their goods shed and/or Highbridge Wharf, across the Bristol & Exeter mainline with the former GWR goods shed & yard in the background. This was taken from the bridge mentioned above, the other side of which are the former GWR & S&D stations.

Edited August 21, 2017 by phil_sutters

[melmerby]

Didn't the same apply at Whitehaven? Goods depot on separate branch.

Preston Street Goods station was on a short branch from the main line but that was because it was the original terminus station of the line (1849) until the connecting line through a tunnel was built to Bransty (1852) running from a new junction south of it's location.

After the connection was built Preston Street became a "Goods" station. Site now occupied by retail "sheds"

https://goo.gl/maps/qU6eYuhJUcN2

http://maps.nls.uk/view/101092732

The nearest passenger station became Corkickle on the connecting line just south of the tunnel mouth

 

There was also a street "tramway" running from the west side of the yard along the winding streets to join with the Harbour Commissioner's lines around the harbour.

Whitehaven had very complicated railway network needing to serve mines at different levels and ships in the harbour as well as general passenger and goods facilities.

 

Keith

[Tim V]

Not all stations had goods sheds, why not work around that idea? Goods sheds are very large structures.

[ForestPines]

One interesting example of separate facilities was North Queensferry in Fife. It was originally served by a branch line from Dunfermline, terminating at a station on a pier jutting out into the Forth. When the Forth Bridge was built the branch station lost its passenger service - but the replacement station on the Forth Bridge line (which joined the North Queensferry branch at Inverkeithing) was not given any goods facilities. The original station on the railway pier remained as North Queensferry's goods station until closure in the 1950s.

[Pacific231G]

Not in the right area, but when the GW at Reading needed to expand goods facilities they built a new yard to the south of the town on its own branch line.

That was Reading Central Goods Depot built in 1905 apparently to avoid goods having to move by road through Reading as Reading General was on its north side.

 

Witney comes immediately to mind where the original branch terminus became a goods depot when the line was extended to Fairford. Eventually the line was cut back to Witney as a goods only line and that became its terminus again. We used to watch the Witney blanket train hauled by a very asthmatic  pannier tank.

 ISTR that Fairford itself was a station where the platform was on one side of a road bridge on the single track and the goods yard and run round loop were beyond it. The line was going to be extended towards Cheltenham (AFAIR) but that never happened.

[melmerby]

The original Henley in Arden station was on a branch from the main GWR Birmingham to Warwick line

It was converted into a goods station when the North Warwickshire line was opened. The original Henley branch line was extended to a new junction and a station (nearer to the town centre) provided on the NW line instead.

The original line itself was closed beyond the goods facilities which were kept, now only being being served from the junction on the NW line, so some way from the new station and over a bridge on the other side of the A34 Stratford Road

 

http://maps.nls.uk/view/93505800

 

Keith

Edited August 19, 2017 by melmerby

[Hesperus]

Durham is another oddity.  The 1st station was a terminus miles out of town.  The 2nd station was also a terminus though somewhat closer.  This closed to passengers and became a goods station when the 3rd station was rebuilt from being a wayside halt on a branch when the ECML was diverted to run through it.  For completeness the 1st station was renamed Shincliffe when the line through it was extended to Durhams 4th station in Elvet.

 

All the stations were built with goods facilities but since the ECML was diverted there haven't been any goods facilities at the main station (as far as I can tell).

 

Elvet station spent it's last 20 years with a 1 day a year passenger service (miners gala).