RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted August 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2017 Just seen this on the BBC website. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40991544 I presume that it's plain line in that area. It will be interesting to see what's caused it. ie whether it's track or train fault. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted August 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2017 Thankfully looks very minor, but as said it will be interesting to see what caused it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 The picture I have seen it looks like the track has 'spread' under the power car. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 I told them to replace that broad gauge baulk track... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald Henriksen Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 The picture I have seen it looks like the track has 'spread' under the power car. It looks like the flange of the left wheel is on top of the rail, while the right wheel has fallen inside of its rail. Also don't see any sign of either rail looking out of place, which doesn't rule out the rail falling back into place or it happening in an area not covered by the picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted August 20, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2017 Just a thought, someone must have alerted the driver very quickly as there doesn't look to be anything that would have broken the brake pipe unless the guard was at the rear of the train and near a brake valve. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Western Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Guard despatches from the rear, would have heard and seen the derailment gave the driver one bell to stop, driver dumped the lot train stops. Good old guard being switched on, wouldn't get that with DOO or monitors that switch off at 2.5mph. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewEWS Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Not my photos, copied from Twitter 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Heathrow Express unit derailed in the platform at Paddington a few years ago, partially due to a track defect. https://www.gov.uk/raib-reports/derailment-of-an-empty-passenger-train-at-paddington-station Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted August 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2017 (edited) That'll teach 'em for going P4, would never happen with Lima Pizza cutter wheels..... Andy G Edited August 20, 2017 by uax6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Endacott Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 So painting them a different colour doesn't improve their ability to stay on the track. Geoff Endacott 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted August 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2017 Not been a good week for NR with 3 derailments, does this worrying trend point to something..... Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 So painting them a different colour doesn't improve their ability to stay on the track. Geoff Endacott Maybe the new green is too light....? Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 (edited) There's a tie-bar visible under the front of the derailed power car in the BBC head-on photo ................. DEAD giveaway - failure to manage wheel-timbers properly yet again ............... gauge spread .............. no if no buts Yet more Railtrack era lessons being unlearnt ............ Bexley derailment ...................... My God NR is really going down the pan Edited August 20, 2017 by Southernman46 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted August 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 20, 2017 There's a tie-bar visible under the front of the derailed power car in the BBC head-on photo ................. DEAD giveaway - failure to manage wheel-timbers properly yet again ............... gauge spread .............. no if no buts Yet more Railtrack era lessons being unlearnt ............ Bexley derailment ...................... My God NR is really going down the pan in the top photo in post number 8 there appear to be no pandrol clips on the far rail.... Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Hmm. gauge spread often happens under the heavier vehicle - I bet that power car is the heaviest thing to use that platform with any regularity... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 There are a lot of tie bars on that bit of track Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Maybe the new green is too light....? Stewart Too heavy, surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted August 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2017 (edited) Hmm. gauge spread often happens under the heavier vehicle - I bet that power car is the heaviest thing to use that platform with any regularity... Still no excuse though I'm afraid that the near constant reorganisations in recent years as NR attempts to satisfy the politicians demand that it become 'more efficient' and introduce more in house 'competition' to bring down the costs of railway maintenance (as per the McNulty report) are having a negative effect on the quality of NRs output. This is not helped by recent attempts to bolster staff numbers (having let too many experienced people go a few years ago under the "Phase 2B/C" programme and hiring lots of contractors to fill the gaps when the top brass realised their mistakes). Railway engineering is not a skill that can be learnt overnight and while investment in apprentices is very welcome it will take many years before they will have enough 'real world' experience to replace the talent that has been lost. Equally there is far too much focus by the top brass in Technological solutions to problems rather than concentrating on the basics (though this again is heavily influenced by government policy that wants to achieve savings manly by cutting the wage bill - as per Mc-Nulty who was very critical about pay awards for railway staff). Fancy mobile maintenance trains may be all very good but when it comes to complex areas (e.g. pointwork or heavily used terminal platforms) such machines are not a great deal of help, particularly when you need to block several lines anyway. This is a shame because on the whole, NR has a lot of very good people in it, who try and do their best to keep things going but who are systematically let down by decisions from upstairs (which includes those sitting in Whitehall, not just Milon Keynes) or who simply lack the necessary wider railway knowledge that can only be built up over time. Edited August 20, 2017 by phil-b259 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Not been a good week for NR with 3 derailments, does this worrying trend point to something..... Andy G 4, you forgot the one in Eastleigh yard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Agreed Phil - too many square pegs being forced into in round holes (the reason I gave up as a TME and left) and way way too many useless holes - Mrs SM46 handed in her notice two weeks ago because she is just appalled at what is going on and is fed up trying to push the boulder uphill ................ I wholehearted agree with your last paragraph though ............ the current TME at Woking is a personal friend and he feels utterly beleaguered .................. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Hmm. gauge spread often happens under the heavier vehicle - I bet that power car is the heaviest thing to use that platform with any regularity... A steamer (cant remember which one) went into platform 2 last night, 3 (or was it 4) HSTs used platform 2 this morning before the derailed train did. There are lots of tie bars in the area of the derailment, I have been told by a normally reliable source that all 4 wheels on the platform side are off the rail and in the 4 foot (hence it leaning over so much) with the leading wheelset (under the former luggage van end) over the rail and in the 6 foot, the other 3 wheels are still on the (offside) rail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 (edited) 4, you forgot the one in Eastleigh yard. But apparently it's all OK because they were all low speed with low risk and no casualties (NR's own internal reporting) - no, ANY derailment is a complete system failure............... it's only a matter of time before it'll be high speed and with greater consequences .................. the sheer volume of PW component failures ........ cracked crossings, broken IBJ's on the SR alone is very, very concerning ............................ Edited August 20, 2017 by Southernman46 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Just a thought, someone must have alerted the driver very quickly as there doesn't look to be anything that would have broken the brake pipe unless the guard was at the rear of the train and near a brake valve. Jamie Guard should have been at the back with their finger on the Driver/Guard buzzer, one push on that and the driver drops the lot in immediately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted August 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2017 (edited) Agreed Phil - too many square pegs being forced into in round holes (the reason I gave up as a TME and left) and way way too many useless holes - Mrs SM46 handed in her notice two weeks ago because she is just appalled at what is going on and is fed up trying to push the boulder uphill ................ I wholehearted agree with your last paragraph though ............ the current TME at Woking is a personal friend and he feels utterly beleaguered .................. He has my sympathies - I get the impression the TME at Three Bridges feels the same way. Grief from us S&T because the state of the p-way through points, grief from the measurement train because of all the defects it picks up, too few staff to undertake the work, a need to rely on contractors, a lack of decent possessions as TOCs try and ram in as many trains as they can, loads of various short term 'fixes' or 'initiatives' to try and delay works or keep things going until the route an eventually sort out a big possession to fix the issue properly, plus his relatively young age makes it all a very punishing role. Edited August 20, 2017 by phil-b259 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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