tractor_37260 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 50030 > Has anyone got pics of the right and wrong tanks fitted to 47001 as that's next on my wish list. Thanks. The first photo shows 47 001 fitted with the correct early style (with water) tanks. Some 47 001 models were fitted in error, with Class 57 ? tanks, as per this photo http://www.hattons.co.uk/82880/Bachmann_Branchline_31_659_Class_47_0_47001_in_BR_Blue_weathered/StockDetail.aspx The photo of 47 164 (union Jack) shows that Class 57 tanks have been wrongly fitted, the tanks should be the same as 47 001 in the first photo. The third photo shows the long range tank version fitted to 47/7's 47/8's etc. an aux fuel tank being fitted around one end of the battery boxes. The last photo shows the Battery boxes only type, fitted to numerous members of the class. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Good job mate , A Useful resource ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 5, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 5, 2017 Its also worth noting that Bachmann's D1547 had the wrong Class 57 battery boxes/tanks https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=FnXEiu2p&id=4E28D2F46A865026580FC0FE9C891CBDB6B7FC84&thid=OIP.FnXEiu2pN-2aKhraMckrEgEyDM&q=Bachmann+d1547&simid=608047691583325660&selectedindex=18&mode=overlay&first=1 And that unless I am very mistaken all locos originally entered traffic with the original battery boxes/tanks as per the 47001 photo above whether they had boilers or not. Changes were an evolutionary process. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Just to complicate matters further the 47710 model has incorrect twin tanks, well slightly incorrect to be fair, these are the later design for 47821 onwards and 47721 onwards (discounting the original 47650-665 batch that became res 47/7s later in life). Heljan got the 47/7 tanks on their scotrail 47 spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Just to complicate matters further the 47710 model has incorrect twin tanks, well slightly incorrect to be fair, these are the later design for 47821 onwards and 47721 onwards (discounting the original 47650-665 batch that became res 47/7s later in life). Heljan got the 47/7 tanks on their scotrail 47 spot on. Wow!!! another detail to add to the list of minefields when modelling Class 47s! I've got several and never noticed!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 For anyone wishing to fit the CORRECT tank assembly to their models of 47 001 and 47 164, they are available from the Bachmann Spares Dept part No ASM5 @ £5 +P&P. It's perhaps debatable that one has to pay for the correct part, when the wrong part was fitted in the first place, but hey ho ................. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted November 10, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 10, 2017 (edited) For anyone wishing to fit the CORRECT tank assembly to their models of 47 001 and 47 164, they are available from the Bachmann Spares Dept part No ASM5 @ £5 +P&P. I presume pristine and weathered versions are available to cover both models of 47001, but what about 47164? Presumbly not white/silver ones. Maybe I should ask... Does anyone know if these correct tanks will fit on the first 47/0 releases? These had a different lighting switch arrangement on the undersides of the tanks. Would prefer to know before I open my 1764 up. Edited November 10, 2017 by brushman47544 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 Just to clarify, having raised the wrong tanks issue on 47001 with Bachmann when first available, my understanding is that all models were fitted with the wrong tanks from the factory. Bachmann ordered in replacements which they fitted to all the 47001s still in their warehouse. So unless a retailer is still selling their original stock, all 47001s supplied by Bachmann should now be fitted with the correct tanks. Thankfully, my own weathered 47 001 came fitted with the correct tank assembly. Unfortunately 47 164 (Union Jack) was also wrongly fitted with 57 style tanks.............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 I presume pristine and weathered versions are available to cover both models of 47001, but what about 47164? Presumbly not white/silver ones. Maybe I should ask... Does anyone know if these correct tanks will fit on the first 47/0 releases? These had a different lighting switch arrangement on the undersides of the tanks. Would prefer to know before I open my 1764 up. I think I stumbled across this when I was taking a body off, the tank moulding popped off fairly easily and the switch assembly just slotted into a space in the tank moulding. you'll probably find there is a little give in the wiring that it could be moved to a different position for an alternative tank moulding The one I was looking at had the later battery box only moulding so no water tanks and no extended range fuel tanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 (edited) I presume pristine and weathered versions are available to cover both models of 47001, but what about 47164? Presumbly not white/silver ones. Maybe I should ask... Does anyone know if these correct tanks will fit on the first 47/0 releases? These had a different lighting switch arrangement on the undersides of the tanks. Would prefer to know before I open my 1764 up. 47 164 - correct Silver tanks are not available, only Black un-weathered as spares - although easy enough to paint if necessary. D1764 - going by photos on Hatton's, should ? already have the correct early style tanks fitted. .http://www.hattons.co.uk/17973/Bachmann_Branchline_32_801_Class_47_0_1764_in_BR_Two_Tone_Green_with_Full_Yellow_Ends/StockDetail.aspx Edited November 10, 2017 by tractor_37260 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted November 10, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 10, 2017 47 164 - correct Silver tanks are not available, only Black un-weathered as spares - although easy enough to paint if necessary. D1764 - going by photos on Hatton's, should ? already have the correct early style tanks fitted. .http://www.hattons.co.uk/17973/Bachmann_Branchline_32_801_Class_47_0_1764_in_BR_Two_Tone_Green_with_Full_Yellow_Ends/StockDetail.aspx I can assure you that 1764, mine bought from Hattons, has the 57 tanks. Surprised Bachmann only has unweathered versions as spares. They must have had some weathered ones to fit to all those weathered 47001s delivered with the wrong tanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 I can assure you that 1764, mine bought from Hattons, has the 57 tanks. >> That's very odd - once again perhaps some of the models had the tanks changed at the warehouse ? the above Hatton's 1764 photo shows the correct tanks fitted.............................. Surprised Bachmann only has unweathered versions as spares. They must have had some weathered ones to fit to all those weathered 47001s delivered with the wrong tanks. >> Not when I requested spare ones - un-weathered only avail - perhaps all the weathered versions they had were used up replacing the wrong 47 001 ones ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted November 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 10, 2017 1547 came with wrong tanks too...it's off to Bacchus customer support now we have part number, many thanks Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Thankfully, my own weathered 47 001 came fitted with the correct tank assembly. Unfortunately 47 164 (Union Jack) was also wrongly fitted with 57 style tanks.............. Have any trouble taking the body off? I had one of these and the weathering had stuck the body to chassis. When I got it off it took the little yellow front step off as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 Have any trouble taking the body off? I had one of these and the weathering had stuck the body to chassis. When I got it off it took the little yellow front step off as well Not had the body off 47 001 yet......but had the sticking steps problem on L/L 47 436 - some of these steps were stuck to the body and chassis ! they stuck out too far anyway, and being yellow made it all the more obvious, as they were not properly fitted into the small recesses in the chassis front............... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted November 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) Have any trouble taking the body off? I had one of these and the weathering had stuck the body to chassis. When I got it off it took the little yellow front step off as wellI have had no end of problems getting bodies off a number of Bachmann 47s. The glazing clips seeming to be attached to the chassis as well being a common problem. Roy Edited November 11, 2017 by Roy Langridge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted November 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2017 First thing I do ad soon as I have body off on bacchy 47s is remove those verdammt glazing clips on the bottom of the door windows glazing. Doesn't need them and it's just a recipe for the glazing to come loose when you refit the body... Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Yes, I agree, those glazing clips are a pain in the butt. I had to return the 47001 I had....and he said they were all similar. Must get round to rebuilding 47078 after its fall, I’ve got all the bits from Bachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) I have had no end of problems getting bodies off a number of Bachmann 47s. The glazing clips seeming to be attached to the chassis as well being a common problem. Roy A wee tip that may help with removing Bach 47 bodies, once all the screws are out, use a small flat jewelers screwdriver directly under the cab doors at the chassis, carefully push the SD up between the body and chassis to release the clips that are part of the cab door glazing. Edited November 11, 2017 by tractor_37260 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted November 13, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) I can assure you that 1764, mine bought from Hattons, has the 57 tanks. >> That's very odd - once again perhaps some of the models had the tanks changed at the warehouse ? the above Hatton's 1764 photo shows the correct tanks fitted.............................. Surprised Bachmann only has unweathered versions as spares. They must have had some weathered ones to fit to all those weathered 47001s delivered with the wrong tanks. >> Not when I requested spare ones - un-weathered only avail - perhaps all the weathered versions they had were used up replacing the wrong 47 001 ones ? I've had another look. You're right, 1764 does not have the Class 57 tanks as fitted to D1547, 47001 and others. But equally it doesn't have the correct tanks either! No idea what version they are or just wrong, but if you look at the right extremity of the tanks on 1764, there is a piece angled at 45 degree. On the correct tanks it's squared. There are other errors too. Of the first batch, D1500, 1764 and 47035 were all the same. Edited November 13, 2017 by brushman47544 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 I've had another look. You're right, 1764 does not have the Class 57 tanks as fitted to D1547, 47001 and others. But equally it doesn't have the correct tanks either! No idea what version they are or just wrong, but if you look at the right extremity of the tanks on 1764, there is a piece angled at 45 degree. On the correct tanks it's squared. There are other errors too. Of the first batch, D1500, 1764 and 47035 were all the same. If I remember rightly the first batch of 47s had a lot of class 57 parts including tanks and bogies and they wobbled whilst running. When 47474, 535 and 612 were released the errors had been corrected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 I've had another look. You're right, 1764 does not have the Class 57 tanks as fitted to D1547, 47001 and others. But equally it doesn't have the correct tanks either! No idea what version they are or just wrong, but if you look at the right extremity of the tanks on 1764, there is a piece angled at 45 degree. On the correct tanks it's squared. There are other errors too. Of the first batch, D1500, 1764 and 47035 were all the same. I can see what your meaning, are the tanks on your 1764 not the same as the silver ones on 47 164 Union Jack photo at top of this thread ? they are 57 tanks Perhaps a photo of the tanks fitted to your 1764 may help to clarify what type they are..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) If I remember rightly the first batch of 47s had a lot of class 57 parts including tanks and bogies and they wobbled whilst running. When 47474, 535 and 612 were released the errors had been corrected. As above most of the issues were resolved when the 47/4's were released but sadly the front cab window rivets are still present on 47/0's..... Edited November 14, 2017 by tractor_37260 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 I still think it’s a nice model though. If I could an find some suitable donors I’ll do 47004 in green and 47016 atlas in RF grey. Both celeb locos at didcot in mid 90s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted November 14, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2017 I can see what your meaning, are the tanks on your 1764 not the same as the silver ones on 47 164 Union Jack photo at top of this thread ? they are 57 tanks Perhaps a photo of the tanks fitted to your 1764 may help to clarify what type they are..... No, the tanks on 1764 are not the same as on 47164. They are exactly as in the Hatton's photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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