Poggy1165 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 In another thread I light-heartedly suggested that I would like to see a magazine entitled Pre-Grouping Pedants, although I thought it would have a very limited circulation. Then it occurred to me that it could be a thread of here. For those little snippets that don't really belong on any of the existing threads. Open to anyone to share information or to ask questions about anything pre-grouping. Well, it's a suggestion. Whether it will fly or not, we shall see. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted September 8, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 8, 2017 Is it still 5 Guineas a quarter? Regards Ian 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Maybe it's being a bit too pedantic, but in the Pre-Grouping Era, no one knew that it was the Pre-Grouping Era. The Pre-Grouping Era only came into existence after Grouping, and only then as part of history, so it never actually existed . 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Can we twin this publication with rivet counter monthly? And that well known bi-annual publication "you have the wrong shade of grey on that!" Marc 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Will it incorporate 'Fettlers and Bodgers Weekly'? Essential for all pre-1923 modellers. Jim 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Can we twin this publication with rivet counter monthly? There was a lot more flush riveting in those days, so they were impossible to count under a coat of paint! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brack Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Maybe it's being a bit too pedantic, but in the Pre-Grouping Era, no one knew that it was the Pre-Grouping Era. The Pre-Grouping Era only came into existence after Grouping, and only then as part of history, so it never actually existed . Definitely pedantic enough to qualify! Not sure anyone referred to the Devonian period* as such during its time either. Really we should stop foisting our own names onto historic times and ask those organisms which were alive them what they would've liked it to be referred to as. Besides, whilst we might not currently say that we're living in the immediate pre-kim-trump nuclear death extravaganza period, we sort of know it. *Some theorise that the geological period is so named because of the slow penetration of current time into our fair southwestern counties 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Maybe it's being a bit too pedantic, but in the Pre-Grouping Era, no one knew that it was the Pre-Grouping Era. The Pre-Grouping Era only came into existence after Grouping, and only then as part of history, so it never actually existed . Modelling "pre-Grouping"? No different from the pre-Raphaelites, painting after, err, Raphael. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
£1.38 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Grouping began almost at the dawn of railways and carried on to a very limited extent even after 1923. Some railways were never grouped at all. Pregrouping is a bad name all round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 "The First 100 Years"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp1 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 "The First 100 Years"?Aagh...a 100 years war - not another gauge war? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
£1.38 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 "The First 100 Years"? Well, I certainly don't remember reading anything in Genesis about railway mergers, so probably a safe bet 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted September 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 8, 2017 Well, I certainly don't remember reading anything in Genesis about railway mergers, so probably a safe bet Which album are you thinking of ?........... I'll get my top hat and tailcoat Hansom cab.. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Love it already Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brack Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 "The First 100 Years"? Just to clarify, what are we measuring from? Coalbrookdale? Penydarren? Middleton? Stockton and Darlington? Oystermouth? Killingworth? Rainhill? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) "you have the wrong shade of grey on that!" Not surprising really as there's fifty to choose from Off and runnin' ps when I saw the thread title, why did I instantly think 'MRJ'? Not that I've anything against it, it's just what popped into the void that is my head. Edited September 9, 2017 by leopardml2341 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) Which album are you thinking of ?........... I'll get my top hat and tailcoat Hansom cab.. Were pre grouping shouldn't that be stove pipe hat and frock coat? Edited September 9, 2017 by Londontram Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Just to clarify, what are we measuring from? Coalbrookdale? Penydarren? Middleton? Stockton and Darlington? Oystermouth? Killingworth? Rainhill? "The First 100 Years" was just intended as an eye catching title, for marketing purposes, and not as something strictly accurate. "The First 98 years, 4 months, 5 days, 12 hours, 17 minutes and 27 seconds"* isn't quite so memorable. * This is just a random time used as an example. It is not a thoroughly researched actual period of time, from whatever event is accepted as the start of the railway age, to the exact time that the Grouping took place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 In another thread I light-heartedly suggested that I would like to see a magazine entitled Pre-Grouping Pedants, although I thought it would have a very limited circulation. Then it occurred to me that it could be a thread of here. For those little snippets that don't really belong on any of the existing threads. Open to anyone to share information or to ask questions about anything pre-grouping. Well, it's a suggestion. Whether it will fly or not, we shall see. Well it's certainly flying, but maybe not in the direction you expected? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Well it's certainly flying, but maybe not in the direction you expected? I'm not aware that flying was associated with railways until after the Grouping, so isn't this off topic? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runs as required Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) I'm not aware that flying was associated with railways until after the Grouping, so isn't this off topic? There was the US 'Seebord Airline' 'Seabord Air Line' - which puzzled me for a long time (marginally nearer the topic) dh Edit after checking spelling here Edited September 9, 2017 by runs as required Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Just to clarify, what are we measuring from? Coalbrookdale? Penydarren? Middleton? Stockton and Darlington? Oystermouth? Killingworth? Rainhill? We had railways in Nottingham in 1604 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wollaton_Wagonway Nobody knows the gauge, which would make arguments over wheel standards rather difficult to start. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 I'm not aware that flying was associated with railways until after the Grouping, so isn't this off topic? Oh I don't know! I think we all remember this and the Jones goods is most definitely pre grouping 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Oh I don't know! plane and train.jpg I think we all remember this and the Jones goods is most definitely pre grouping The Jones Goods may be 'of that era' but the film isn't so some of it could be put down to 'artistic licence'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Oh I don't know! plane and train.jpg I think we all remember this and the Jones goods is most definitely pre grouping Not so the power station you can just see top right 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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