rope runner Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) Livery samples look good, and the bulge under the boiler doesn't look too bad. I do wonder if the tank handrails are fitted a tad too high on the tank top, what do others think? Comparing with prototype photos it looks like they're lower to the radius. Paul A. Edited October 20, 2017 by 1whitemoor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2017 These look brilliant, considering the images are 3x the size of the real model you still can’t see the motor gear block, to me it’s a non issue. I went through my images of Burnley no1, but non were in blue, they are either filthy or preserved NWGB green. That said i’m sure in the archives of the “Bury Transport museum journal” from the late 70’s there is an image as such in Blue. I’ve got a few of these on order, definitely a good choice. Maybe after the first batch, a crane tank body could be added to the chassis ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted October 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2017 My thoughts are that someone should do some good footplate figures to go along with these! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9402 Fredrick Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) Okay, those deco samples look superb, I can't wait to get the ones I've got on order. Edited October 20, 2017 by 9402 Fredrick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1722 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Cor... these look rather good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 "As always, we'd love to hear your thoughts and feedback." My only thought is you're a very bad man! I'd only ordered one and now I want four of the little b****** There, there, Paul! Take two Valiums and go to bed. It will all be better in the morning. p.s. I know what you mean. I've ordered one but the rest all look so tempting. It is nice to see the cab variations as well as the liveries, in the flesh now. They do look good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 The colour of 'Katie' looks to me to be a vermilion rather than maroon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeps Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Why have they all got holes for the fitting of vacuum pipes when I can't remember any of them being so fitted? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted October 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2017 Why have they all got holes for the fitting of vacuum pipes when I can't remember any of them being so fitted? I'm guessing these are livery samples, so it is not the details that are correct - the factory has simply taken a dozen copies of one type and give it the 10 different liveries. (And the ones in preservation, eg the GWR, BR and CR liveries most certainly ARE fitted with vac pipes) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Why have they all got holes for the fitting of vacuum pipes when I can't remember any of them being so fitted?Because that is the way of the world these days. The Hornby J15 and the DJM J94 also have this feature. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rising Standards Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 The colour of 'Katie' looks to me to be a vermilion rather than maroon. Maroon seems like an odd choice of word by Hattons to describe the colour being represented, as in the photos I've seen of the real thing in this livery it's just red. Really red! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonetown Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 What happened to the "two different cab front windows"? As far as I can see, all twelve have the same front windows, even so the low tank versions definitely need their windows to be quite a bit lower. And also, will the wheel middles be painted on the finished models (that also applies to the P-Class)? Otherwise quite tempting looking models! Manuel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Very tempting, I've altered my order to go with the Burnley Corporation Gas Works as the sample shows a better fit for an Aberdeen Gasworks conversion. Fitting side-skirts shouldn't be a problem but altering the rear of the cab is going to be interesting. The Aberdeen one had a rectangular opening in the middle - presumably to improve access to the firebox. The brake standard obviously got in the way of this but at least one photie shows it detached and slung on the side of the cab until deeded. Do I have the courage...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted October 22, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2017 What happened to the "two different cab front windows"? As far as I can see, all twelve have the same front windows, even so the low tank versions definitely need their windows to be quite a bit lower. And also, will the wheel middles be painted on the finished models (that also applies to the P-Class)? Otherwise quite tempting looking models! Manuel Please read my post earlier. These are LIVERY SAMPLES. The factory has taken one variant and applied the different liveries so that the customer (Hattons) can approve the liveries. The actual detail differences are not being approved by these. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted October 22, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2017 Plus if you actually read Daves post with the samples it mentions the wrong tanks fitted etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Please read my post earlier. These are LIVERY SAMPLES. The factory has taken one variant and applied the different liveries so that the customer (Hattons) can approve the liveries. The actual detail differences are not being approved by these. To be fair to Manuel there are a few variants shown, all with round front windows, ie; open backed, oval windows, round windows and square windows, so it can be a bit confusing at first glance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted October 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 23, 2017 They all look absolutely gorgeous. The motor block issue has faded into relative insignificance, now that the actual liveries are applied, as the eye is drawn to the livery itself. One thing I have noticed, in the spirit of constructive criticism, is that on the versions with the solid cab back, there seems to be a large 'lump' of glazing material inside the cab. By the relatively open nature of these cabs, this is rather visible. If this is how the glazing on the production versions has to be achieved, then fine, but I would hope that this would lead to an opening for one of the flush glazing providers to do something that just slots nicely into the rear cab sheet itself. It would probably have to be just a push fit, but that would be fine. Dave of Hattons has already said that the insignia should be easy enough to remove, for those of us who want to use the lovely base liveries for our own, fictitious industrial concern. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad McCann Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I appreciate that specifically designing Gauge conversion into these models would be economically problematic but I do hope it's something that will be possible without too much heartache. Other than that, these are a model I am very much looking forward to. D. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 And also, will the wheel middles be painted on the finished models (that also applies to the P-Class)? Otherwise quite tempting looking models! Manuel I hope so. That was the one thing which let Hornby’s Pecketts down a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Because that is the way of the world these days. The Hornby J15 and the DJM J94 also have this feature. Bernard On the other hand, the Model Rail USA Tanks only had holes when they were needed for vac pipes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 What happened to the "two different cab front windows"? As far as I can see, all twelve have the same front windows, even so the low tank versions definitely need their windows to be quite a bit lower. Manuel Dave does seem to suggest that there will at least be no 16” with square front windows in this batch.... Hi all, That's correct, there won't be a 16" version with square cab windows in this batch. We do still have the option within the tooling suite for versions with square windows in future though, if you have any suggestions then we'd love to hear them. You can email them over directly to ideas@hattons.co.uk I've amended the detail matrix and product list in the first post of this thread for clarity. Cheers, Dave Guess we need to find some suitable prototypes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Dave of Hattons has already said that the insignia should be easy enough to remove, for those of us who want to use the lovely base liveries for our own, fictitious industrial concern. Thank you for that, I'm going to need to remove the lettering from my intended so that's very comforting to know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted October 24, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) These look brilliant, considering the images are 3x the size of the real model you still can’t see the motor gear block, to me it’s a non issue. I went through my images of Burnley no1, but non were in blue, they are either filthy or preserved NWGB green. That said i’m sure in the archives of the “Bury Transport museum journal” from the late 70’s there is an image as such in Blue. I’ve got a few of these on order, definitely a good choice. Maybe after the first batch, a crane tank body could be added to the chassis ? Unfortunately it wouldn't be viable to modify our current tooling to be able to represent a crane tank. The chassis shape inside the body is made to fit the current tank configuration and would require significant modification to create the crane tank version. Why have they all got holes for the fitting of vacuum pipes when I can't remember any of them being so fitted? Having versions with and without holes for the vac pipes would mean another chassis tooling including running boards as this is all one piece. We've stayed as true to each prototype as possible whilst trying to keep the price reasonable. Maroon seems like an odd choice of word by Hattons to describe the colour being represented, as in the photos I've seen of the real thing in this livery it's just red. Really red! We've described the colour in the same way that the owner has. We do agree that it is more red than maroon. What happened to the "two different cab front windows"? As far as I can see, all twelve have the same front windows, even so the low tank versions definitely need their windows to be quite a bit lower. And also, will the wheel middles be painted on the finished models (that also applies to the P-Class)? Otherwise quite tempting looking models! Manuel The middle wheels have been noted and will be painted on the production models, this also applies to the P Class as well. As has been mentioned, following the change of NCB No.23 to No. 6, there's not currently a model featuring the square front windows. If you know of any suitable prototypes then you're more than welcome to send them over to us via email using ideas@hattons.co.uk Thanks to everyone for all the thoughts and feedback so far, already looking forward to sharing more progress once we receive more samples. Cheers, Dave Edited October 24, 2017 by Hatton's Dave 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 24, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) Just a note BGCD No1 as preserved has a 26D shed plate attached. AFAIK The then Bury Transport Museum acquired a number of these from Bury Depot, and I remember MSC 32,70, NWGB1, MEA no1 , 945, Planet and Simplex all wore them in the 70’s/80’s at some stage before largely disappearing again. Edited October 24, 2017 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimbus Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) Is this a variant not covered? The joint in the cab side sheets seems to differ: The Nim. Edited October 24, 2017 by Nimbus 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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