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#1 Hatton's Dave

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 09:05

Hatton's OO Gauge SECR P Class 0-6-0T

 

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This class of 8 locomotives were built in 2 batches in 1909 and 1910 with the first two examples being built with higher tanks and cab. Originally they were intended to be used on light passenger duties, including push-pull services, but were fairly quickly transferred to shunting duties, especially in dockyards, due to their short wheelbase.

 

The first withdrawals were made in 1955, with the last two locomotives lasting until 1961. Four versions have been preserved, including 753 which is one of the original locomotives. It is currently undergoing overhaul at the Kent & East Sussex Railway.

 

In total we are producing 12 versions in a variety of liveries with a whole host of tooling variations to ensure prototypical accuracy.

 

Variations Include:

  • Tall and short cab/tanks

  • Smokebox lubricators (where appropriate)

  • BR numberplate separately fitted on smokebox (where appropriate)

  • Two types of buffers

  • Cab window guards

  • Two versions of smokebox riveting

  • Two different rear steam heat pipes

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Model Specifications:

  • RP25 wheel profile

  • 6-pin DCC socket in tanks

  • 5-pole motor

  • All wheel pickup

  • NEM coupling pockets

  • Chemically blackened wheels

  • Separately fitted handrails

  • Separately drain cock detailing and oil lubricators

  • Fully detailed and painted cab interior

 

These locomotives are being produced exclusively by Hatton’s and are available to pre-order now for £99 each at www.hattons.co.uk/pclass. To avoid potential disappointment make sure you get your pre-orders in early to secure your models.

 

Variations Available to Order:

 

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We are currently at the First EP stage which you can see below. Delivery is expected during December 2017 and January 2018.
 
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Edited by Hatton's Dave, 25 September 2017 - 07:49 .

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 09:07

What a cheat putting Salter safety valves on the silhouette....

 

Looks neat. Who is the manufacturer? 


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#3 Phil Parker

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 09:08

OO Gauge SECR P Class 0-6-0T 

 

Although a small class of eight locomotives built in 1909 and 1910, the P class has often attracted attention due to their diversity of liveries through their long lives into British Railways service up to final withdrawal in 1961 with four of the class lasting into preservation. 

 
We have had the opportunity to look at the engineering samples in detail and look at the variety of parts from the tools which will give a range of options to accurately portray variations between locomotives through their life; tall and short cab/tanks lubricators on smokebox where appropriate, BR numberplate on smokebox where appropriate, two types of buffers, cab window guards, smokebox rivets (2 versions) and two different rear steam heat pipes.
 
We were also able to operate the running sample, adequately coping with a load of four Mark 1 coaches through pointwork and over 1 in 30 gradients. The model is well-weighted and exhibited very smooth slow-speed control. Some minor amendments have been noted and decorated samples of the model are due shortly.
 
Twelve different models will be available at initial release around the end of this year and into the New Year and will be priced at £99.00 – customers can pre-order models now at hattons.co.uk/pclass
 
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Specifications:

 

● RP25 wheel profiles

● 6-pin DCC socket in tanks

● Chemically blackened wheels

● Separately fitted and blackened handrails

● NEM pockets with tension lock couplings

● 5 pole motor in 'locomotive' section with motor in boiler and gears in firebox 

● Fully detailed and painted cab interior

● Easily removable bodyshells for maintenance & DCC fitting

● Turned brass whistle

● Separately factory-fitted drain cock detailing and oil lubricators

● Separately factory fitted smokebox numberplate.

● All wheel pickup

● Weights within boiler for maximum adhesion

● Fluted connecting rods with oily cosmetic finish

● Etched headcode discs, headlamps and oil can provided for fitment by customer

 

Tooling Variations:

 

● Tall and short cab/tanks

● Lubricators on smokebox where appropriate

● BR numberplate on smokebox where appropriate

● 2 types of buffers

● Cab window guards

● Smokebox rivets (2 versions)

● 2 different rear steam heat pipes 4 Locomotives

 

Liveries:

 

H4-P-01 178 in SE&CR lined green 1910-1911 & as preserved

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H4-P-02 753 in SE&CR lined green 1909-1911 & as preserved

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H4-P-03 754 in SE&CR wartime grey 1910-1920s

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H4-P-04 A325 in Southern Railway green 1924-1937

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H4-P-05 1555 in Southern Railway black 1938-1948

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H4-P-06 1558 in Southern Railway black with Sunshine lettering 1941-1953

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H4-P-07 31027 in BR black with early emblem 1949-1961

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H4-P-08 31323 in BR black with late crest 1959-1961

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H4-P-09 “Pioneer II" in Bowaters Paper Mill lined green 1958-1968

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H4-P-10 "Pride of Sussex" in Robertsbridge flour mill green 1961-1971 H4-P-11 27 “Primrose” in Bluebell Railway lined black 1961-1963

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H4-P-12 323 in Bluebell Railway lined blue - as preserved

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Price: £99

Availability: December 2017/January 2018

www.hattons.co.uk/pclass 

 

Current Progress: First EP received. Minor amendments noted with factory. Second EP and colour samples in production and expected within a few weeks.


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#4 Garethp8873

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 09:11

All three Southern examples being ordered now...!! :)



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 09:11

 

 

So who is the manufacturer? 

 

The answer would appear to be Hattons, i.e. they're dealing directly with the Chinese(?) factory.  I believe this is what they've done for their recent Warwell wagons?


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#6 Phil Parker

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 09:12

While at the announcement day, we recorded an interview with Dave Mylett - Exclusive Commissions Manager which should answer many questions:

 


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Posted 11 September 2017 - 09:17

Been expecting an announcement at some point on P-Class been quite well known someone had looked at them, an seeing a certain company walk out with some drawings, but its a good call on the P-Class they will be very popular, only can afford one sadly. Looking at the model, certain parts do look like a Bachmann product... I could be completely wrong. 


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Posted 11 September 2017 - 09:20

*yawn* no modern stuff. Back to the IEP wait!


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Posted 11 September 2017 - 09:22

Been expecting an announcement at some point on P-Class been quite well known someone had looked at them, an seeing a certain company walk out with some drawings, but its a good call on the P-Class they will be very popular, only can afford one sadly. Looking at the model, certain parts do look like a Bachmann product... I could be completely wrong. 

 

You are. This is pure Hattons as Dave says in the video.


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Posted 11 September 2017 - 09:57

My "maybe a P" guess was right, fancy that! now, TAKE MY MONEY! Wartime black and maunsell black for sure! :D

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 10:06

... Looking at the model, certain parts do look like a Bachmann product...  

Exactly the same thought went through my mind. I'd say there is a simple explanation: when Kader wound up the former Sanda Kan facilities that must have released a lot of experienced people. We have had Jason Shron state that he has a former Bachmann employee in their shop, and the people to operate the several new contractors Hornby now use, had to gain their experience somewhere. As evidence, Hornby's mechanism constructions for their post Sanda Kan toolings typically incorporate features previously only seen in Bachmann's designs.


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Posted 11 September 2017 - 10:09

That's annoying, I was hoping for it to be something far away from the southern region so I didn't have to spend any more money this year... Not only that, but 3 SECR versions - which one to buy? Not quite sure this is what the government envisaged student loans being used for...

 

More info from SEMG here: http://www.semgonlin.../pclass_01.html


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#13 Big James

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 10:11

I'll order both the BR versions for my one day layout based on somewhere in the Romney marsh.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 10:16

That's annoying, I was hoping for it to be something far away from the southern region so I didn't have to spend any more money this year... Not only that, but 3 SECR versions - which one to buy? Not quite sure this is what the government envisaged student loans being used for...

 

More info from SEMG here: http://www.semgonlin.../pclass_01.html

I'd much rather you spent my taxes wisely on stuff like this ...................... :mosking:


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Posted 11 September 2017 - 10:17

The BRM October Digital Edition goes live at 1pm today! It includes TWO great interviews with Dave at Hatton's. Download it this afternoon.



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 10:19

The answer would appear to be Hattons, i.e. they're dealing directly with the Chinese(?) factory.  I believe this is what they've done for their recent Warwell wagons?

 

Taking their cue from Kernow,who have done just that with their Bulleid diesels.



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 10:38

Taking their cue from Kernow,who have done just that with their Bulleid diesels.

 

Quite so, makes you wonder if the dividing line between manufacturer and commissioner is now so blurred that the RMWeb structure could do with a re-think?


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Posted 11 September 2017 - 10:57

Fantastic news but a pity that the sound-fitted versions as advertised will still be using Olivia's Sound. Hopefully somebody else will provide a top quality sound decoder for these new models.

 

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 10:59

Is someone going through my kit stash? That's two I've already got announced in a day.  :o 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:04

Lovely. Late crest one instantly ordered! Hopefully a new small 0-6-0 chassis will lead to a new Terrier one day not to mention a whole host of other possibilities.


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Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:10

Is someone going through my kit stash? That's two I've already got announced in a day.  :o

 

Jason

 

Me too! http://philsworkbenc...-locos-ive.html

 

Which just makes the decision harder, I mean, I already have these, but Bluebell would be nice...



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:18

I decided NOT to look at the announcement during a work meeting and I'm glad I did or else I would have been leaping around shouting Eureka!

 

Of the 12, there are 8 which interest me however I have to be a good boy and keep expenses down. The 8 are:

All models corresponding to SECR numbers 323, 27, 178 and 753 (all preserved 4 members) plus anything in SECR colours (adds 754 on top).

 

I nominally want one each of each preserved member.

I'll drop the 2 industrialized versions. Which gives 6:

3 SECR

2 BR

1 Bluebell

 

That is an awful lot of expenditure in December/January but gives me:

323 in two disguises (BR/Bluebell)

27 in one (BR)

178 in one (SECR)

753 in one (SECR)

754 (SECR grey - non preserved).

 

Of course, we do not know what Hornby's "huge H" is going to be yet, which may throw a spanner in the works.

 

Hopefully delivery will stretch out to June. But all may Dapol/Hornby Terriers will have been replaced on the active loco roster (the remainder by USA tanks).



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:31

Fantastic news but a pity that the sound-fitted versions as advertised will still be using Olivia's Sound. Hopefully somebody else will provide a top quality sound decoder for these new models.

 

Keith

I am sure Olivia's will deliver a project that Hattons are happy with.



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:32

Me too! http://philsworkbenc...-locos-ive.html

 

Which just makes the decision harder, I mean, I already have these, but Bluebell would be nice...

 

Ha. The same kits as mine.  :lol: 

 

 

Jason



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:36

Is the SE&CR now the best supported pre grouping railway? Just a thought
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