Isle of Man 2-4-0 NG Tank Engine Research

[844fan]

Hey all,

I'm working on something for a friend and I need some details to help me make accurate representations. Now given the subject I'm not 100% sure this belongs in the UK Prototypes section since I'm not sure what the proper stance on The Isle of Man on whether or not it falls under UK Prototype so if I've posted this in the wrong section please forgive my mistake and have it moved to the proper place please.

 

Anyway I'm working on some scale drawings for a friend. Now with me the drawings are done in Pixel art and colored up but they are in scale. My friend is quite interested in the Beyer, Peacock and Company 2-4-0 Tank engines of the Isle of Man in particular Loch and Sutherland. 

 

Now I know what their wheel size is well the drivers anyway but I need a better reference point like how long they are from headstock to headstock, How tall are their funnels and what ever else I can get my hands on to make them as accurate as possible. Does anyone perhaps know of a set of drawings of this loco class? I just want to get this done right as it is a gift and I don't want to make something subpar.

 

Any help would be much appreciated and again I do hope I posted this in the correct place since again the Isle of Man is in a kind of grey area that I'm not sure of the only parts of the UK I know beyond a shadow of a doubt is Scotland, England and Wales. Not for a lack of research mind I just couldn't find a straight answer. I mean no offense I promise I just am absolutely unsure.

 

Thank you,

844fan

[Mike Bellamy]

The 7mm Narrow Gauge Association seem to have what you want in one of their (several) books of drawings. I don't know if they have the level of detail you need but must be better than nothing !!

 

See here

 

http://7mmnga.org.uk/sales/publication_details.php?ref=NLE10

 

 

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[brack]

Which class? There are several size variations in the beyer, peacock locos.

If you go to

 

http://www.beyerpeacock.co.uk/Drawings/Beyer%20Peacock%20Locomotive%20Drawings.html

 

Peter Manning has some very nice side elevations of the first and last types.

[asmay2002]

Hey all,

I'm working on something for a friend and I need some details to help me make accurate representations. Now given the subject I'm not 100% sure this belongs in the UK Prototypes section since I'm not sure what the proper stance on The Isle of Man on whether or not it falls under UK Prototype so if I've posted this in the wrong section please forgive my mistake and have it moved to the proper place please.

 

Anyway I'm working on some scale drawings for a friend. Now with me the drawings are done in Pixel art and colored up but they are in scale. My friend is quite interested in the Beyer, Peacock and Company 2-4-0 Tank engines of the Isle of Man in particular Loch and Sutherland. 

 

Now I know what their wheel size is well the drivers anyway but I need a better reference point like how long they are from headstock to headstock, How tall are their funnels and what ever else I can get my hands on to make them as accurate as possible. Does anyone perhaps know of a set of drawings of this loco class? I just want to get this done right as it is a gift and I don't want to make something subpar.

 

Any help would be much appreciated and again I do hope I posted this in the correct place since again the Isle of Man is in a kind of grey area that I'm not sure of the only parts of the UK I know beyond a shadow of a doubt is Scotland, England and Wales. Not for a lack of research mind I just couldn't find a straight answer. I mean no offense I promise I just am absolutely unsure.

 

Thank you,

844fan

If you'd asked a year or so ago I would have said just go to the MOSI website and download the Beyer Peacock GA drawing.  Since the NRM took over these are no longer available.  There are GA drawings in Volume 3 of Boyd's "the Isle of man railway" volume 3 of the first 3 and Mannin as built with a smaller drawing of Maitland.  The best source is probably "The Manx Peacocks" by David Lloyd-Jones which has many photos and drawings of all of the locos.

[Marshall5]

I can also recommend the volumes listed above but, IIRC, you are in the U.S. so may not have access to them.  Briefly there are 4 basic types/sizes of IMR 2-4-0's.  The original nos 1-3 with 2' 10' boiler, short wheelbase and small tanks.  4-9 were similar when first built apart from larger tanks. 1-3 later acquired the same tanks. 10-13 had 3 '3"  boilers from new, longer wheelbase, 480? gallon tanks and crescent shaped balance weights on the driving wheels. No16 was larger still with 3' 6" boiler square cab etc.  To complicate matters further 4-6 were rebuilt with 3' 3" boilers and larger tanks so now resemble 10-13 but still with the short wheelbase and original type wheels (square ended balance weights). No14 (ex Manx Northern) is similar to 7.

There is a drawing of No1 Sutherland in May 1993's Railway Modeller - if you can't find one P.M. me your e-mail address and I'll send a scan as I have it here on my laptop. Unfortunately I can't access my other books as I'm also in the U.S. at the moment. I'm sure a Google search will throw up a lot more info.

FWIW the Isle of Man is not part of the U.K (or EU) but, whilst self-governing, QE2 is also the Lord of Man. It's a bit like the U.S.'s relationship to Puerto Rico.  I can thoroughly recommend a 'field trip' to check us out for yourself, the 2018 running season is early March to early November with 2 main railfan events over Easter and the end of July.  Heck, you might even be unfortunate enough to get me as your workshop tour guide!

Cheers,

Ray.

Edited September 17, 2017 by Marshall5