RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted September 17, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2017 I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere so a heads up for anyone who enjoys this sort of programme In general (based on episode 1) it looks pretty much the same as the Kings Cross one last year and is produced for a non railway audience so don't expect it to get too technical Its on every Monday at 21:00 with previous episodes available online (Episode 1 included the the day of the terrorist attack at London Bridge and a visit to Oxford to see the Kirov crane in action in the 9 day possession). http://www.channel5.com/show/paddington-station-247/ https://www.my5.tv/paddington-station-247/season-1/episode-1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgeconna Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Watched this last night, An hour of Chaos from one minute to the next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Chaos in the station and on the line and yet at each interval we were invited to enter a competition to win a trip on the same network that was in chaos. Chose not to enter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J50 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Also watched this program the other night absolute chaos within our rail network, also chose not to enter the competition but really enjoyed the program. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted September 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2017 Yes I think it's a good programme. Tells you like it is . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgeconna Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 LOL, You would want a few nights in a Hotel to come back to normal, I would hope the Hotel is not Railway owned!!. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted September 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2017 Even NR are pushing it! https://www.networkrail.co.uk/new-documentary-series-begins-tonight-paddington-station-247/ Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) An hour of Chaos from one minute to the next. Spoken like a true Irishman! Mike. Edited September 20, 2017 by Enterprisingwestern Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted October 20, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 20, 2017 Just a heads up - you remember that incident where a HST power car derailed upon departure a couple of moths ago - well Channel 5 are going to feature its recovery in Mondays programme. People should also note that the trailer added to the end of episode 6 even had CCTV footage of the derailment actually happening! It could thus make for interesting viewing for those versed in track maintenance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) Just a heads up - you remember that incident where a HST power car derailed upon departure a couple of moths ago - well Channel 5 are going to feature its recovery in Mondays programme. People should also note that the trailer added to the end of episode 6 even had CCTV footage of the derailment actually happening! It could thus make for interesting viewing for those versed in track maintenance In one of the railway mags they say the derailment was blamed on rotten sleepers! Sounds like Collett and his umbrella spike again. Keith Edited October 20, 2017 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 It could thus make for interesting viewing for those versed in track maintenance If that includes management "flapping" over reopening times, whilst seemingly being unable to coordinate the various activities (including the second RIO who lacked the ability to communicate under pressure) then I suppose it was very realistic.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Pardon me for being thick, but the engineering group insisted that both platforms 1 and 2 could not be open while they were repairing the timbers towards the buffer stops where the track had spread under the power car in platform 2; but as an emergency measure, could they have not stopped all trains into 1 and 2 short by say 2 or 3 carriage lengths? Ok it would have meant passengers having to walk a bit further, but that is preferable to most than having to get out at Reading. I have not noticed a 2+9 HST filling the entire platform length at Paddington, so surely they wouldn't be fouling the throat when coming to a stand further away from the buffers. Or his the signalling now positioned differently to make this impossible, and if so - why? The video footage of the power car derailing and lurching to the right as it bumped along the track was very disconcerting even though it was at a slow speed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 GWR memory sleepers - they were trying to get back to having the rails 7ft apart :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Pardon me for being thick, but the engineering group insisted that both platforms 1 and 2 could not be open while they were repairing the timbers towards the buffer stops where the track had spread under the power car in platform 2; but as an emergency measure, could they have not stopped all trains into 1 and 2 short by say 2 or 3 carriage lengths? Ok it would have meant passengers having to walk a bit further, but that is preferable to most than having to get out at Reading. I have not noticed a 2+9 HST filling the entire platform length at Paddington, so surely they wouldn't be fouling the throat when coming to a stand further away from the buffers. Or his the signalling now positioned differently to make this impossible, and if so - why? The video footage of the power car derailing and lurching to the right as it bumped along the track was very disconcerting even though it was at a slow speed. Hi, Whilst sensible on the face of it, there would be several issues with what you propose: 1) Whilst repairing sleepers, particularly the ones at Paddington, you have the possibility of making the track further along the platform more likely to spread (think of how easy it is to pull some rail from Peco sleepers when you take start taking sleepers off one end) 2) They would be little to no staff protection of a train coming into the platform other than derailing it again. 3) If they stopped 3 to 4 coach lengths back in Platform 2, the rear end would be sat over the track circuit that deadlocks 8003 crossover, which if you have come across it reverse would mean you would lock it up and effectively close platform 3 as well 4) Again, if they stopped 3 to 4 coach lengths back, the front of the train when departing would be in front of the signal, resulting in the fact that would never get the signal off (the platform starters are not fitted with standing forward controls), therefore you'd have to dispatch by passing the signal at danger with authority, which could cause even greater consequences Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted October 24, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2017 I think this is one of the best fly on the wall documentaries there's been. Thoroughly enjoying it. I knew about the power car derailment and the spread of sleepers but its not until you see it actually happen that you realise it was actually quite dramatic with the power car tilting alarmingly as it came off track. One thing I wondered though, how did they alert driver to stop the train ? The power car was still coupled, did he sense there was something wrong, losing traction as it came off rails? How do you stop a train that's departing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I think this is one of the best fly on the wall documentaries there's been. Thoroughly enjoying it. I knew about the power car derailment and the spread of sleepers but its not until you see it actually happen that you realise it was actually quite dramatic with the power car tilting alarmingly as it came off track. One thing I wondered though, how did they alert driver to stop the train ? The power car was still coupled, did he sense there was something wrong, losing traction as it came off rails? How do you stop a train that's departing? The Train Manager would have given one buzz on the driver to Guard bell buzzer, on hearing that the driver shoves the brake handle straight to emergency. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted October 24, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2017 The Train Manager would have given one buzz on the driver to Guard bell buzzer, on hearing that the driver shoves the brake handle straight to emergency. But isn't the train manager on the train? How would he have known the rear power car was off the rails , unless he was in the adjoining TGS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 But isn't the train manager on the train? How would he have known the rear power car was off the rails , unless he was in the adjoining TGS One of the platform staff could be seen raising both hands above his head. Either the train manager saw that or another member of platform staff who was able to alert the guard did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Midland Mole Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I watched the part of the episode with the derailment in last night, and could not help feeling that once again they were trying to create disaster out of a minor incident. I found it fascinating to see the power car suddenly move out of alignment and then gently, yes gently, start bouncing down the track.....at about 2mph. I doubt the passengers even felt anything. At that speed it posed no danger to anyone on that platform, even if the platform had been busy and it certainly posed no risk to anyone on the train And the narrator and staff kept saying things like "luckily no one was hurt", well you don't say. No one was hurt because nothing happened! It's so normal now in TV for a minor and interesting incident to be blown up to almost disaster level in the script. Still, I enjoyed watching and think it was a pretty good programme. Might have to watch the others now on catch up. Alex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I watched this programme on Monday night, and found most of it quite interesting. However, having just had my dinner perhaps they could choose more carefully as to when to show (if it must be shown at all) the part where the track gang were clearing the 'rubbish' from the track . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 25, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) I watched this programme on Monday night, and found most of it quite interesting. However, having just had my dinner perhaps they could choose more carefully as to when to show (if it must be shown at all) the part where the track gang were clearing the 'rubbish' from the track . . . You weren't having "Sausage & Mash" were you? It was well after the "watershed" wasn't it? (Or was that a well in the track where the water was shed) Keith Edited October 25, 2017 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I blame the stations for charging to use the loo. if they were free, passengers wouldn't feel the need to hold it in till they board the train. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 25, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2017 I blame the stations for charging to use the loo. if they were free, passengers wouldn't feel the need to hold it in till they board the train. Maybe the toilets could be locked out of use until the train leaves. IMHO These days there shouldn't really be any trains that discharge waste onto the track. Also it would be better at Paddington if there was a ditch running down the middle of the track to catch the effluent rather than mats where there was ballast (changed every three months) or nothing with the baulk track. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I watched the part of the episode with the derailment in last night, and could not help feeling that once again they were trying to create disaster out of a minor incident. A derailment is a derailment, whether it be at 5mph or 125mph, it is still a major incident on the railway whatever happens as trains are not meant to come off the tracks! Whether, it was made a bit OTT by the program is another matter, but it was not a minor incident. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted October 25, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2017 A derailment is a derailment, whether it be at 5mph or 125mph, it is still a major incident on the railway whatever happens as trains are not meant to come off the tracks! Whether, it was made a bit OTT by the program is another matter, but it was not a minor incident. Simon I thought the footage was much more dramatic than id imagined from hearing it on news. Great nobody was hurt , but I wouldn't describe it as a minor incident. If it had tilted the other way it might have hit another train. I was interested in the Mats , having seen the platforms at Glasgow Central, some time ago . I thought it was ballast compacted with oil, grease etc. Didn't realise it was an actual mat. Fortunately I think all Scotrail stock have tanks now and there is no effluent getting onto track. Really in this day and age we should be beyond that now . I note Scotrail HSTs will have effluent tanks fitted before entering service Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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