5050 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 At Shipley exhibition on Saturday on the club sales stand there were a couple of boxes of 'oddments' selling for 'offers'. Within one of them I found these loco bodies, all in a bit of a parlous state with bits missing but I recognised them for what they are. There were also a Budgie red Jinty and N2 bodies (actually Trackmaster with the raised 'British railways' lettering?) but I left them. perhaps I shouldn't have! First a Graham Farish Prairie Tank body, a bit rough but still sound. Someone has fitted new steam pipes etc. And a Graham Farish Black 5 body with some boiler fittings missing but generally sound. And what I believe to be a Stewart Reidpath tank loco body. I could get my money back if I weighed it in! Not sure what I'll do with them but if anyone would like to give them a good home then please PM me. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Fleece 30 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 At Shipley exhibition on Saturday on the club sales stand there were a couple of boxes of 'oddments' selling for 'offers'. Within one of them I found these loco bodies, all in a bit of a parlous state with bits missing but I recognised them for what they are. There were also a Budgie red Jinty and N2 bodies (actually Trackmaster with the raised 'British railways' lettering?) but I left them. perhaps I shouldn't have! Loco Bodies.2.A.jpg First a Graham Farish Prairie Tank body, a bit rough but still sound. Someone has fitted new steam pipes etc. Farish 61XX tank.A.jpg And a Graham Farish Black 5 body with some boiler fittings missing but generally sound. Farish Black 5 Body.A.jpg And what I believe to be a Stewart Reidpath tank loco body. I could get my money back if I weighed it in! Essar tank.A.jpg Not sure what I'll do with them but if anyone would like to give them a good home then please PM me. The Reidpath ones are nice and heavy, I think I read they were made from Typesetters lead what ever that is. I guess maybe a harder lead than normal? Garry 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagaguy Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 It`s where the term"hot metal" came from,it was used in Linotype machines in the newspaper industry.The operator used a keyboard like a typewriter & the metal bar dropped vertically in to a cupola,melted & produced a type letter which was the put into a printing frame which produced your newspaper.Yesterdays technology now. Ray. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagaguy Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 It was a very sophisticated machine,have a look here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linotype_machine Ray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 When I was very young, my uncle (a graphics artist), took me to where he worked. While there, I had a go on a Linotype. My main impression was that it was both hot and noisy! I've still got a Linotype output bar, but I don't think it was the one I made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Fleece 30 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Interestingly I have just received a 1951 magazine and it has a 2 page spread on the Farish Prairie as a kit, unpainted with BR transfers, Black with BR transfers and green with GWR transfers. I did not know Farish were making these that long ago as Dublo was 6 or 7 years away from 2-rail and Tri-ang had only just entered the market. What is interesting is that the motor is described as "Detachable with its own pick-ups and does NOT rely on wheels and axles. Has anyone got one of these to show? Garry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) I think the motors on these early Farish locos were only 2 pole armatures and the clutch arrangement gave them a chance to 'get going' before the resistance of the mechanism was felt. I've never knowingly seen one to be able to objectively comment though. I like the 'gearbox' whatever. Food for thought for future chassis builds! Lots more 'Farishisms' here - http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/15565-collectors-corner-graham-farish/ Edited September 20, 2017 by 5050 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Metropolitan H Posted September 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2017 At Shipley exhibition on Saturday on the club sales stand there were a couple of boxes of 'oddments' selling for 'offers'. Within one of them I found these loco bodies, all in a bit of a parlous state with bits missing but I recognised them for what they are. There were also a Budgie red Jinty and N2 bodies (actually Trackmaster with the raised 'British railways' lettering?) but I left them. perhaps I shouldn't have! Loco Bodies.2.A.jpg First a Graham Farish Prairie Tank body, a bit rough but still sound. Someone has fitted new steam pipes etc. Farish 61XX tank.A.jpg And a Graham Farish Black 5 body with some boiler fittings missing but generally sound. Farish Black 5 Body.A.jpg And what I believe to be a Stewart Reidpath tank loco body. I could get my money back if I weighed it in! Essar tank.A.jpg Not sure what I'll do with them but if anyone would like to give them a good home then please PM me. Regarding the Graham Farish "Prairie" tank, I had one new circa 1960 - did have wheel pick-up (no sliders), with the pick-up mounted of a motor brush tag. More importantly, the steam pipes / chimney top and other brigt parts were as shown in your picture from new. Consequently I suggest the GF "Prairie" tank body is in as supplied (by GF) condition apart from a loss of paint. Regards Chris H P.S. - The GF Prairie tank was the worst performer of all my early OO locos and often derailed. My old Gaiety bodied Pannier - on a Tri-ang / Rovex mechanism with non-see-through wheels - was much better and much loved, but now long departed. CH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Fleece 30 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 P.S. - The GF Prairie tank was the worst performer of all my early OO locos and often derailed. My old Gaiety bodied Pannier - on a Tri-ang / Rovex mechanism with non-see-through wheels - was much better and much loved, but now long departed. CH Like this Chris? one on a Tri-ang chassis and one on a Hornby Dublo chassis both 3-railed. Garry 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 I think the motors on these early Farish locos were only 2 pole armatures and the clutch arrangement gave them a chance to 'get going' before the resistance of the mechanism was felt. I've never knowingly seen one to be able to objectively comment though. I like the 'gearbox' whatever. Food for thought for future chassis builds! Lots more 'Farishisms' here - http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/15565-collectors-corner-graham-farish/ Post 38 shows a naked tender with the motor and clutch in all their glory (?!). So I had seen one before - but the little grey cells said 'NO'! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 (edited) I have the remains of a Farish prairie chassis - zinc pest! I'll post a picture of the bits if anyone is interested (and I can find where they're stashed....) The two pole motor is an ingenious device, but reluctant to start. The clutch is intended to allow the armature to stop in in a position from which it will start - the magnetic circuit is designed with a 'bias' to ensure this. Off load it will usually manage to start, but any resistance will discourage starting and often cause the armature to bounce and stop stop at 'dead centre'. Obviously at this point a prod is required! The crosshead assembly leads something to be desired, having no piston rod and the same awful slide bars and crosshead favoured by Rovex/Tri-ang. Edited September 21, 2017 by Il Grifone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barclay Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Since you like your industrials I reckon that Reidpath body could be persuaded to look like an RSH 0-6-0T with outside cylinders... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) The two pole motor was entirely designed to get around Board of Trade restrictions on Toy and Model production. Mr Farish Snr wanted Pittman motors from the States as supplied in the Formo 060, but were stopped by the Ministry rules. But Farish had the right to make the motors from scratch, using parts and materials from the Farish and Preens pre war stocks of electrical and radio parts they made. The design was unique, moving magnets, stationary coils, switched by a form of commutator that biased the motor to stop where it could start again, The performance was remarkable, very efficient, and a natural flywheel action, but it relied on a centrifugal clutch, which jerked it into action, and easily went out of adjustment The design was heavily patented. In the end the dropping of the rules was the end of the two poll motor, and Farish returned to conventional designs. Stephen Edited November 9, 2017 by bertiedog 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 Since you like your industrials I reckon that Reidpath body could be persuaded to look like an RSH 0-6-0T with outside cylinders... The thought had crossed my mind............................. It would certainly pull plenty! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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