q1s in the west Pleye Wood

[Tim Dubya]

Welcome to Pleye Wood

 

Well I've finally got my act together and stuck some stuff together with some other stuff on top of that.  (In truth I did this years ago with foam stuff stuck on top but ripped it up and gave up, cried out loud then put it out of sight upstairs).

 

 

The plan is for it to be more of a working diorama than a layout or even shelfie as I don't have room for anything else (and even then only if I get dibs on the kitchen table to play with it).  On two boards, one 4' long scenic and the other 2'6" for a cassette type fiddly diddly yard (although I may come up with another plan?).

 

 

Set in the late 1950's / early 1960's and based on the ex LSWR lines of Cornwall and Devon, it's probably going to be a vehicle for playing with all the rolling stock (and yet to be built kits) I have but that's all (but enough until the lottery win).  

 

Very much inspired by the scribblings of Barry Norman (courtesy of Titfield Simon) and most recently Mr Rice's Cameo Layouts (courtesy of Gas Cupboard Dave), I hope to squeeze in a short passenger platform, small LSWR goods shed, cattle dock and the essential end loading dock.

 

The stock will be P4 running on HO Peco or OO SMP track, with the junctions to be built from a mixture of ply and copperclad timbering, designed using the fantastic Templot programme by the ever helpful Martin Wynne, these will be powered via Tortiose switch machines, which I have in stock.

 

I've yet to decide on couplings, I have starter packs of almost everything going except AJ's (no chance I have the patience for setting those up) but will be using the DG electro-magnets available from Andrew at Wizard Models for hands free (he says!) uncoupling.  

Please be gentle with me (and above all patient) as I plan the 'layout', it's taken me 15 years on and off to get this far.

Time to start scribbling plans on the back of an envelope, which I also have in stock

 

Cheers

 

Dubya

[hayfield]

Look forward to seeing how the ideas and plan develop, how do you plan to widen the track gauge of 00 tracks to P4?

[Tim Dubya]

Look forward to seeing how the ideas and plan develop, how do you plan to widen the track gauge of 00 tracks to P4?

 

The loco's and stock are 4mm:foot (P4) and the track gauge will be 16.5mm (HO / OO) & turnouts 4-SF

Edited October 4, 2017 by Tim Dubya

[tom shaw]

Tim,

 

"The stock will be P4 running on HO Peco or OO SMP track" - that should raise a few comments ! I assume you mean rail not track.

 

I use DG couplings and tortoise point motors and can recommend both. I saw a good idea somewhere about using the steel wire to form the loop and dropper in one and I use this method with success. There can be problems with two loops meeting and both rising but building in a slight angle to each loop cures this. As I don't turn my stock I only fit a loop to one end of each wagon although engines and brake vans need them at both ends.

 

Good luck and I will follow with interest.

 

Regards,

 

Tom

[Tim Dubya]

"The stock will be P4 running on HO Peco or OO SMP track" - that should raise a few comments ! I assume you mean rail not track.

 

Just havin' a laugh much inspired by the fighting over on this thread 

 

So yeah, OO SMP flexi and handbuilt turnouts to 4-SF (aka OO-SF).

[hayfield]

Sort of get where you are coming from, and agree that well built and detailed track can be made to 00 gauge, finescale models on finescale track (all be it a little narrower), sounds good 

 

Have you bought a tin helmet ? as some on both sides of the argument seem to be a bit entrenched  with their views and lacking understanding/tolerance to alternative ideas 

[Tim Dubya]

Thanks Hayfield, yeah tin hat on and sense of humour set to full throttle.

I've been very much inspired by your work. I have made several attempts at track building before using ply & rivet, plastic also ply and plastic, all of which worked to some degree. I think this time I'll go for plastic chairs on ply but strengthen with copper clad at strategic points (no punn intended). I have the EMGS filing jigs for crossing vee's and switch blades, so just need the patience... oh and a track plan.

I will need an engine release crossover but have limited space so we could be taking as tight as A4's. I'd like to be able to run-round a T9, so will have to check minimum radi. I'll fire up Templot and see what I can get away with.

Cheers

Edited October 4, 2017 by Tim Dubya

[Mallard60022]

Got some bits of track building stuff (chairs, wooden sleeprs etc) if they are of any use. No use to me at all these days. Postage or small gift to your local charity.

Phil

[Tim Dubya]

Got some bits of track building stuff (chairs, wooden sleeprs etc) if they are of any use. No use to me at all these days. Postage or small gift to your local charity.

Phil

Sent you a PM

[Tim Dubya]

Finkin' Out loud

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Forgive the dust on the wagons they've been on top of the kitchen cupboards for 10 odd years.  The Bulleids were originally B&C, I got them cheap from Hattons years ago and gave them a quick respray and renumber (don't look too closely as no doubt they're wrong).

 

I shall have to dig out some books to look up prototypical LSWR/BR(S) track layouts.

 

Cheers

 

Dubya

[Mallard60022]

Looks like a proper job layout already; better than some completed ones I've seen at exhibitions.

Phartybreath

[Tim Dubya]

Cheers,

I've had those tunnel mouths since I was 5 7, they're P4 don't you know

 

 

Edit:

 

I was 7 not 5. 

 

It came with a R429 GWR 57' Composite, a R457 GWR Brake Turd and a R041 GWR 57xx Pannier (yikes ##R, no wonder I'm 'special')

 

I totally murdered the pannier with my desire to leap into the unknown to try and figure out how it worked 'under the bonnet' by dismantling it (I've kept this a secret from my Dad ever since, I got a mint second hand one from Modelfair when I got back into the hobby to cover my tracks).

Edited October 5, 2017 by Tim Dubya

[Gordon A]

IMO an A4 to 00 standards is 8.5" long. This will not look right the scene you are developing.

When you draw it up on Templot you will see that it will look cramped.

You will need 10 -12" beyond the point in your platform road, plus the width of the end platform.

 

Also check what your fiddle yard will hold. I would say the passenger train shown in your pictures is probably 30" long?

 

Have fun with Templot.

 

Gordon A

[hayfield]

Looks a bit like a cut down version of Bodmin General where to run around the coaches the loco has to push the coaches clear of the crossover, then push them back once at the other end

 

Have a play with Templot and try and use A5's if possible, perhaps changing the switch to a shorter GWR one (ask advice on the Templot Forum

 

Word of warning with the Timbers, use a stain which is not waxy, I still have spirit based Colron tin. I think the issue may be with Dyes, have been reports of issues with some products. Do a test then if all OK stain in a batch

 

I tend to mix up a batch in a jam jar 50/50 (in my case white spirit), much better doing it too thin, I just brush on and let dry on cardboard. If water based a stronger dilution with a less generous application may be preferable

 

Also use the recommended solvents, I use Butanone as you need a stronger bond with plastic on to ply

[Tim Dubya]

IMO an A4 to 00 standards is 8.5" long. This will not look right the scene you are developing.

When you draw it up on Templot you will see that it will look cramped.

You will need 10 -12" beyond the point in your platform road, plus the width of the end platform.

 

Also check what your fiddle yard will hold. I would say the passenger train shown in your pictures is probably 30" long?

 

Have fun with Templot.

 

Gordon A

 

Thanks, I'll see what I can get away with. 

 

I'd like two coaches on scene and still be able to runaround the train with a loco (I'd like to be able to do this with a T9 but suspect I won't have the room), hence my thoughts for as short a crossover as possible.

 

The fiddle yard will most likely be cassettes so they can be longer than the actual board.

 

Cheers

 

 

Looks a bit like a cut down version of Bodmin General where to run around the coaches the loco has to push the coaches clear of the crossover, then push them back once at the other end

 

Have a play with Templot and try and use A5's if possible, perhaps changing the switch to a shorter GWR one (ask advice on the Templot Forum

 

Word of warning with the Timbers, use a stain which is not waxy, I still have spirit based Colron tin. I think the issue may be with Dyes, have been reports of issues with some products. Do a test then if all OK stain in a batch

 

I tend to mix up a batch in a jam jar 50/50 (in my case white spirit), much better doing it too thin, I just brush on and let dry on cardboard. If water based a stronger dilution with a less generous application may be preferable

 

Also use the recommended solvents, I use Butanone as you need a stronger bond with plastic on to ply

 

Thanks, the idea is for the second crossover on the loop to be off scene but I'd still like to be able to runaround without shunting the coaches back if possible.

 

I've built with ply and plastic before (and rivets) and have a sleeper stain made of India Ink & IPA (Iain Rice's recipe) with added Tamiya German grey and acrylic thinners, sounds terrible but it works. 

 

I suspect that I won't bother with a stain this time as I will be using SMP between turnouts, so will probably just spray the lot with sleeper grime or similar.

 

Thanks very much for the input guys, I shall have a play with Templot over the weekend and see what I get.

 

Cheers

 

Dubya

Edited October 5, 2017 by Tim Dubya

[dhjgreen]

Finkin' Out loud

 

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Plan 1.jpg

 

Plan 2.jpg

 

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Have you used the front of the envelope for that first sketch?  Is that allowed!

[hayfield]

Have you used the front of the envelope for that first sketch?  Is that allowed!

 

Only when its in P4 gauge  

[Tim Dubya]

Have you used the front of the envelope for that first sketch?  Is that allowed!

 

 

Only when its in P4 gauge  

 

 

No not the front, that had a birthday message on it but the back and one of the insides, so I have one last attempt to get it right or go EM

[Mallard60022]

Oh no! I suddenly feel really ill. Some of the items in 'the box' wot I have sented are not Exactoscale. The world will come to a shuddering end if you open the box and use those bits dear boy. Crikes, wot's to be done?

Platform Soul

[Tim Dubya]

Oh no! I suddenly feel really ill. Some of the items in 'the box' wot I have sented are not Exactoscale. The world will come to a shuddering end if you open the box and use those bits dear boy. Crikes, wot's to be done?

Platform Soul

 

Don't panic, I've given up on this scale thing, I'm just going to build them in some sort of gauge or something

 

Thank you 

[Mallard60022]

Ah, that's a relief. I though you might be creating a 'monster' thread where people discussed gauges and scale in a civilised way. That would have been terrible. Good for you.

Phingerknees Andtoes

[Tim Dubya]

No but I may discuss what I had for my tea... who knows?

[Stubby47]

Do you have to keep to the same gauge on all the track?

[Tim Dubya]

Do you have to keep to the same gauge on all the track?

Well no as it happens

 

The plan is for all point work to be 4-SF (aka OO-SF / 16.2mm) and plain track to be OO SMP @16.5mm. This should fit nicely with my P4 loco & rolling stock bodies from Whornby and Backman

Edited October 5, 2017 by Tim Dubya

[Mallard60022]

Well no as it happens

 

The plan is for all point work to be 4-SF (aka OO-SF / 16.2mm) and plain track to be OO SMP @16.5mm. This should fit nicely with my P4 loco & rolling stock bodies from Whornby and Backman

Almost all my junctions are set like that but I also use rail joiners instead of scale fine fishplates with correct bolt detail. 

Phishplater