RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted November 1, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 1, 2017 Remember the Hornby series on loco exchanges. Frankenstein locos with wrong tender to loco pairings (but correct for the exchanges) massively discounted took for ever to sell. I doubt you’ll be seeing anything from loco exchanges any time soon Wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Four times, as far as I can discover, primarily by looking on eBay: R.2179 in 2000 & 2001 R.2689 in 2008 - this was the first "NRM Special Edition" version R.3101 in 2012 - again sold as an NRM Special Edition R.3339 in 2016 As far as I know all the above used the same body tooling. I believe that R.2179 had the pivoting pony truck; the fixed truck came in with R.2689. (I know that R.2689 has the fixed pony truck, because I currently have one. I'm guessing about R.2179, but it's an educated guess because I currently also have Duchess of Devonshire from the Royal Highlander train pack - it was a cheap way to get 3 x LMS coaches - which I believe shortly pre-dated the release of R.2689, and that loco's got the pivoting pony truck. FWIW I prefer the pivoting truck, even though it pretty much rules out having any detail under the cab. On tight curves I think it looks slightly less daft to have the pony truck wheels at least running on the rails, albeit hanging out away from the cab, compared to a cab that's floating in space anyway but with no visible means of support. But that's just me. Other people are of course entitled to their own tastes in the matter, especially if they have space to accommodate larger curves on their layouts.) Wasn't R2179 Duchess of Gloucester? I had forgotten the gold stripes version. I too prefer a pivoting truck, but the fixed version does not stop me buying them. The non streamlined version of the model shows a strange evolution. The last retool prior to the current model still carried over some characteristics from the previous tender drives. These had all disappeared by 2010, meaning it was by then all new china produced tooling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) Wasn't R2179 Duchess of Gloucester? Checking hornbyguide.com again, it states that R.2179 was Duchess of Hamilton in 2000, then Duchess of Gloucester in 2001. I've generally assumed that the catalogue number changed even if the only change to the model was name & number, so they may be wrong. The only instance I can find on eBay of R.2179 being Duchess of Hamilton, and that's a listing by a seller who's fairly notorious on another RMWeb thread (although in this case he/she does say that it has been "professionally renamed", which suggests that it was originally Duchess of Gloucester). So it looks like hornbyguide.com is wrong in this instance (which is not unknown, TBH). The picture of the model on hornbyguide.com doesn't actually show a legible name or number on the loco. I should have spotted and double-checked the name discrepancy before posting! So that makes three issues of the Hornby model of DoH in streamlined form, all of which would have had the fixed pony truck. Edited November 1, 2017 by ejstubbs 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 1, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) Hmm, So far the options offered by Locomotion and Rails have been pre and post nationalisation, have come off the back of a very similar run, and have usually shared a base livery. (Black). This one broke that pattern, being a different livery, different tooling finish and can’t really take a pre-nationalisation number. As it’s 250, my guess is Locomotion’s 250 will be very similar to this... maybe 46229 Black BRITISH RAILWAYS on the tender ? 29’s livery history only puts Black until 1950, when it went blue for 2 years before green. I hope they don’t elect for 1970’s Butlins red, complete with bird poo and kids heads popping down the chimney... I wait with baited breath..and this one in my cart awaiting the announcement... Edited November 1, 2017 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chamby Posted November 7, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2017 According to Wikipedia, Bradford was repainted into LMS Lined Black in February 1948, two months before the trials. So yes, it looks like this model would be suitable with BRITISH RAILWAYS applied to the tender. Alex Given their forthcoming model of the LNER dynamometer car, I wonder why Rails haven’t produced this model as City of Bradford with British Railways lettering on the tender? They would have made a fine pairing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted November 7, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 7, 2017 Given their forthcoming model of the LNER dynamometer car, I wonder why Rails haven’t produced this model as City of Bradford with British Railways lettering on the tender? They would have made a fine pairing. The reason for the choice of 46229 lies in Rails' partnership with the NRM. Nonetheless ,Rails are more than likely to spring a few surprises in conjunction with the release of the dynamometer car .Let's just wait and see...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 7, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) Given their forthcoming model of the LNER dynamometer car, I wonder why Rails haven’t produced this model as City of Bradford with British Railways lettering on the tender? They would have made a fine pairing.Wouldn’t it need a Bachmann WD tender though ?, which means compatibility between tender/loco connector and the plug, not to mention liability and warranty issues between competing vendors. Given how 34006 Bude sold, and how many seemed to be parted out or saw the tender sold off is probably an indicator it wasn’t a selling match made in heaven. Edited November 7, 2017 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Midland Mole Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Wouldn’t it need a Bachmann WD tender though ?, which means compatibility between tender/loco connector and the plug, not to mention liability and warranty issues between competing vendors. Given how 34006 Bude sold, and how many seemed to be parted out or saw the tender sold off is probably an indicator it wasn’t a selling match made in heaven. Bradford only had the WD tender when doing trials on the Southern Region. When it did trials on Western & Eastern metals it had it's normal tender. Alex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamysandy Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Will it have the sloping topped smokebox? If not it's wrong! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 7, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) Look at the pictures in the first post on this topic. Clear to see it has the sloping smokebox top. Edited November 7, 2017 by Hilux5972 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chamby Posted November 7, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2017 According to Wikipedia, Bradford was repainted into LMS Lined Black in February 1948, two months before the trials. So yes, it looks like this model would be suitable with BRITISH RAILWAYS applied to the tender. Alex Given their forthcoming model of the LNER dynamometer car, I wonder then why Rails haven’t produced this model as City of Bradford with British Railways lettering on the tender? They would have made a fine pairing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 7, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) Given their forthcoming model of the LNER dynamometer car, I wonder then why Rails haven’t produced this model as City of Bradford with British Railways lettering on the tender? They would have made a fine pairing. I don’t understand why you double posted this. Rails know that people will want 46229 as it’s preserved, has appeared in Black in preservation, and is somewhat of a celebrity at the NRM. Also I would wager a bet on Locomotion Models releasing an NRM version shortly too. Rails and Locomotion both have models of Black 5 5000/45000 and Q1 C1/33001 coming out soon. Seems to be that what one does, the other follows suit not long after. Edited November 7, 2017 by Hilux5972 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 I think we can safely say that we've got years of new releases to come from these models. In all different varieties and liveries. So far we've got four basic locomotive types and three tender types. LMS conventional LMS/BR ex streamliner sloped smokebox BR ex streamliner full smokebox BR Ivatt Conventional tender type B Ex streamline tender type A Ivatt roller bearing tender type C2 Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2017 I think we can safely say that we've got years of new releases to come from these models. In all different varieties and liveries. So far we've got four basic locomotive types and three tender types. LMS conventional LMS/BR ex streamliner sloped smokebox BR ex streamliner full smokebox BR Ivatt Conventional tender type B Ex streamline tender type A Ivatt roller bearing tender type C2 Jason Who knows they may put the bath tub body on the new chassis too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 8, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 8, 2017 And there it is! Who would have thought? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/127957-new-to-the-ncim-from-Hornby-princess-coronation-no46229-duchess-of-hamilton/&do=findComment&comment=2917810 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 And there it is! Who would have thought? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/127957-new-to-the-ncim-from-Hornby-princess-coronation-no46229-duchess-of-hamilton/&do=findComment&comment=2917810 Probably not the boldest prediction you will ever make. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 And there it is! Who would have thought? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/127957-new-to-the-ncim-from-Hornby-princess-coronation-no46229-duchess-of-hamilton/&do=findComment&comment=2917810 Well that changes the trend slightly, the NRM not doing a loco as they currently are. Each time one shop announces an item, we'll have to watch the other just in case they do the same engine in a more preferred livery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chamby Posted November 8, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 8, 2017 I don’t understand why you double posted this. Rails know that people will want 46229 as it’s preserved, has appeared in Black in preservation, and is somewhat of a celebrity at the NRM. Also I would wager a bet on Locomotion Models releasing an NRM version shortly too. Rails and Locomotion both have models of Black 5 5000/45000 and Q1 C1/33001 coming out soon. Seems to be that what one does, the other follows suit not long after. I have no idea why it double-posted either! About four hours apart, too. I only wrote it once... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Midland Mole Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Is there a rough idea of when these might be due? Alex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Rails Posted November 18, 2017 Author Share Posted November 18, 2017 Is there a rough idea of when these might be due? Alex Hi, We are hoping they will be with us next week. Just in time for Warley! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Midland Mole Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Hi, We are hoping they will be with us next week. Just in time for Warley! Fantastic, cant wait! Alex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted November 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2017 My war baby Duchess is arrived !! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 My war baby Duchess is arrived !! Post-war. It carried its casing until December 47. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted November 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2017 Post-war. It carried its casing until December 47. Pete...I am referring to me and not the Duchess .She is of course older than me...but not by much... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted November 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2017 46229 runs well after a couple of initial glitches.The first was a pair of steam sanders which effectively ensured no forward movement until proper relocation .The second was "that" pony truck which was so wayward that derailment was achieved at every baseboard join and set of points.Then ...Thanks Andy Y who pointed this out in a post several weeks ago...a simple fix is achieved without recourse to any extra weight or screwdriver .Gently pull downwards the bracket from which it is suspended .....and away you go.Now holds the road like an F1 and takes point work and variations in baseboard in her stride.I applied the treatment to 46256 with equal success. Nice model.Thanks Rails and Hornby.More commissions,please.Are you listening Mr.K. .? Don't kick a gift horse in the teeth...Especially when it's a winning steed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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