BlackRat Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 The mind boggles. Just how long an article is needed to tell you how to connect two wires between the controller and the track? Bernard If only it were that simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I removed some of the webbing and curved a bullhead turnout around a 150" radius former. While holding it there with fingers like an octopus, I carefully applied Loctite to the outside of the chairs. When set, I did the same to the other side to make sure the point stayed put at 150" radius. It isn't perfect, as there is a small straight-ish tail at the from end.... 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 There's a 3-page article starting a series on using the new Peco bullhead track to build a small layout, on page 383 of the May 2018 edition of the Railway Modeller. Part 1 is about laying it. Part 2 next month will be about the electrics. Digital edition just arrived. I had better not post any screenshots for copyright reasons. Martin. Martin Have you read it, some good advice there which for me is spoilt by trimming the length of the sleepers so they butt join the sleeper opposite rather than interlace them as in prototype practice. From a company that specialises in track quite surprising !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted April 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 16, 2018 What's the recommended back to back dimension for these? 14.5 or 14.8mm? thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Has to depend on flange thickness I would imagine, and indirectly upon tread width too. I bet 14.5 will go through with ease, but I've no idea whether 14.8 might be better still in specific cases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted April 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 16, 2018 What's the recommended back to back dimension for these? 14.5 or 14.8mm? For modern RTR wheels, 14.4mm. All the information you need is at: http://4-sf.uk#setting_wheels The new Peco turnouts use the 00-BF standard. Martin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted April 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 16, 2018 (edited) Thanks both - interesting link. Predominantly I'll be using Gibson and Markits wheels (preference is for Markits but they don't make it easy to get them!) - so according to that link, 14.6mm and 14.5mm respectively. Thanks again edit : missed the 0.5 off Markits... Edited April 17, 2018 by Bucoops Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buhar Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 OK, who does a 14.4mm B2B gauge? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted April 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 16, 2018 OK, who does a 14.4mm B2B gauge? DOGA: http://www.doubleogauge.com/shop.htm Specify: "Intermediate" size. Also available from NMRA: https://www.walthers.com/standards-gauge Martin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pint of Adnams Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 May's Railway Modeller starts a new series penned by Craig Tiley about using this track system, this first instalment is titled 'Cutting, joining and laying' and next month's will address wiring options including equipping the points with twin solenoid motors and auxiliary frog switching. Peco really do want to ensure the success and wide adoption of this product... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Looking at the section where he adds the flexi track to the turnout made me smile, he shortened each sleeper which was too close to its adjoining track instead of interlacing them, still I have seen this done at the club on one of the layouts !! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 (edited) May's Railway Modeller starts a new series penned by Craig Tiley about using this track system, this first instalment is titled 'Cutting, joining and laying' and next month's will address wiring options including equipping the points with twin solenoid motors and auxiliary frog switching. Peco really do want to ensure the success and wide adoption of this product... What could you possibly be suggesting????? Actually, in fact, on the evidence provided so far, and within the constraints of the information publicly available, to my knowledge, and without prejudice to the facts that will inevitably appear from others, it seems to be extraordinarily well received on this side of the English Channel (other names are available). In each of the French mags which I am forced to purchase, due to the pleading look of my local purveyor of same, there have been a bizarre number of articles exploring how best to use the new range to represent secondary French lines (and one, even more bizarrely, for an Italian line based on the route along the Ligurian coast). Unifrog does not phase them whatsoever, but then they do eat some strange stuff. Methinks Peco knew what the hell they were doing. Edited May 5, 2018 by Mike Storey 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Never having experienced Unifrog before, I fitted the usual insulated fishplates at the frog end when relaying 'Carrog Road'. Then I ran a couple of feeds to the toe of the lead turnout and quickly discovered the Unifrog sends current to both sides of the frog no matter which way the point is switched........Great for me as a DCC user. So I removed all the insulated rail joiners. Metal rail joiners are much better at aligning rail heads, which is especially important with the laterally flimsy bullhead rail section. Apart from one code 83 large radius point, the remainder are Peco bullhead bend to suit the flow, so two are curved and one is a 'Y'. A great track system in my view.... The running lines are cambered as is the sharply curved siding around the concrete shed. The remainder are flat. Peco points bent to suit the flow.... 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 (edited) What could you possibly be suggesting????? Actually, in fact, on the evidence provided so far, and within the constraints of the information publicly available, to my knowledge, and without prejudice to the facts that will inevitably appear from others, it seems to be extraordinarily well received on this side of the English Channel (other names are available). In each of the French mags which I am forced to purchase, due to the pleading look of my local purveyor of same, there have been a bizarre number of articles exploring how best to use the new range to represent secondary French lines (and one, even more bizarrely, for an Italian line based on the route along the Ligurian coast). Unifrog does not phase them whatsoever, but then they do eat some strange stuff. Methinks Peco knew what the hell they were doing. Hi Mike Methinks Peco generally know what they're doing, shame about much of the rest of the industry- on both sides of the channel. Although the track was designed to scale for 00, Peco lost no time in advertising it as Voie Double Champignon in France. The sleepers are wide to scale in H0 for most French railways, (though not apparently those used on parts of the Midi, something to do with maritime pine sleepers) but French modellers of DC track have long used SMP and similar British 00 bullhead track and just accepted the slightly overwide sleepers and possibly that the chairs are a bit heavy. . I saw these two examples on modules exhibited at Trainsmania in Lille last year; I'm not sure whether they are SMP or C&L. Peco were there with a stand displaying the new track and the, at that time yet to be released, points but I don't think anyone had used it yet. Edited May 6, 2018 by Pacific231G 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted May 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 7, 2018 This morning I received an email from the publishers of Loco Revue, promoting various products. It included this with pics of flextrack and points : "Ces nouveautés Peco vont vous permettre de reproduire les voies à double champignon très répandue en Angleterre et en France en particulier sur les anciennes Régions Ouest et Sud-Ouest SNCF." As others have said, it has hit the mark here. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 "Ces nouveautés Peco vont vous permettre de reproduire les voies à double champignon très répandue en Angleterre et en France en particulier sur les anciennes Régions Ouest et Sud-Ouest SNCF." "Double mushroom track" I like that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted May 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 7, 2018 What could you possibly be suggesting????? Actually, in fact, on the evidence provided so far, and within the constraints of the information publicly available, to my knowledge, and without prejudice to the facts that will inevitably appear from others, it seems to be extraordinarily well received on this side of the English Channel (other names are available). In each of the French mags which I am forced to purchase, due to the pleading look of my local purveyor of same, there have been a bizarre number of articles exploring how best to use the new range to represent secondary French lines (and one, even more bizarrely, for an Italian line based on the route along the Ligurian coast). Unifrog does not phase them whatsoever, but then they do eat some strange stuff. Methinks Peco knew what the hell they were doing. Indeed they did. And regrettably having received an 'SNCF in the 1960s' album for Christmas there are some terribly attractive views in it of secondary lines with double champignon rail and mightily impressive steam engines on short freight trains. I really must stop reading books! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted May 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 7, 2018 "Double mushroom track" I like that... Moi aussi... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackRat Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Casser! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWsTrains Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 "Double mushroom track" I like that... Always ready to rise to a challenge I searched my usually reliable (and at 2300+ pages, comprehensive) Collins Robert French Dictionary but found no reference to a rail meaning / usage for champignon. TBH first time it's failed me. Prof W came up with this Colin 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 "Double mushroom track" I like that... Where was this rail section devised I wonder? Tete de Bouef would work as a descriptor. What do the Germans call it, Ochsenkopf, Doppelpilz, or yet something else? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted May 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 7, 2018 Where was this rail section devised I wonder? Tete de Bouef would work as a descriptor. What do the Germans call it, Ochsenkopf, Doppelpilz, or yet something else? The UIC Lexicon is your guide. - Item 8559 'rail à double champignon' German - doppelkopfschiene; English - bull-headed rail; Italian - rotaia a doppio fungo; Spanish - carril (or 'riel') de doble cabeza (or 'de doble hongo'); Dutch - dubbelkopspoorstaaf So apart from the Spanish also having another word all the southern European languages, viz French, Italian, and Spanish seem fixated on a comparison with mushrooms while the more northerly languages use a word pertaining to head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chamby Posted May 7, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 7, 2018 ...all the southern European languages, viz French, Italian, and Spanish seem fixated on a comparison with mushrooms while the more northerly languages use a word pertaining to head.[/i]. And the modern image advocates focus on the bottom... ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 The UIC Lexicon is your guide. - Item 8559 'rail à double champignon' German - doppelkopfschiene; English - bull-headed rail; Italian - rotaia a doppio fungo; Spanish - carril (or 'riel') de doble cabeza (or 'de doble hongo'); Dutch - dubbelkopspoorstaaf So apart from the Spanish also having another word all the southern European languages, viz French, Italian, and Spanish seem fixated on a comparison with mushrooms while the more northerly languages use a word pertaining to head. Guess whose food is better...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Guess whose food is better...... Sausage and pickled cabbage? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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