Ruston Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Whilst looking for the build date of Black Hawthorn Wellington I googled this page - http://www.tanfield-railway.co.uk/index.php?mact=LISETRLocomotives,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01item=wellington&cntnt01category=overhaul&cntnt01id_hierarchy=2&cntnt01template_category=hierarchy&cntnt01returnid=50 Can someone please identify the loco on the right. And I bought this photo from ebay a while ago. There is no information on the back, so can anyone identify the loco or even the maker as it's a type I don't recognise at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Whilst looking for the build date of Black Hawthorn Wellington I googled this page - http://www.tanfield-railway.co.uk/index.php?mact=LISETRLocomotives,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01item=wellington&cntnt01category=overhaul&cntnt01id_hierarchy=2&cntnt01template_category=hierarchy&cntnt01returnid=50 Can someone please identify the loco on the right. As the caption notes, the loco on the right is Irwell, a Hudswell Clarke tank. Currently dismantled, full details are provided elsewhere on the website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Kirkham Posted November 17, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2017 And I bought this photo from ebay a while ago. There is no information on the back, so can anyone identify the loco or even the maker as it's a type I don't recognise at all. Untitled-2.jpg The way the smokebox barrel projects beyond the saddle seems quite unusual, and I've seen it in some products of the Yorkshire Engine Co. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 I reckon the loco in your posted picture is a Bagnall, perhaps one of those built for the Butterley Company - examples included 2607 of 1939 (Denby Colliery) or 2619 of 1940 (Ollerton Colliery) - the features check out and resemble the preserved Hawarden though that had cut down boiler fittings: note the shape of the buffer beams, coupling hook pocket and cab cut outs for example. The smokebox door is presumably a replacement? Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) Pretty sure it's a Kerr Stuart MOSS BAY class loco - some of this class were produced later under Bagnall jurisdiction. I'm thrown by the supports under the tank midway along, also the shape of the slide bar brackets - maybe this is a Bagnall variant? Edited November 17, 2017 by Osgood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Pretty sure it's a Kerr Stuart MOSS BAY class loco - some of this class were produced later under Bagnall jurisdiction. I'm thrown by the supports under the tank midway along, also the shape of the slide bar brackets - maybe this is a Bagnall variant? Going on the pictures in the Baker and Civil volume, I would agree that said supports and slide bars are features of the Bagnall development of the Moss Bay design of which Hawarden is the only survivor (I think?). Which it is, however, I've no idea. Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Definitely a Bagnall. I'd suggest this is WB2590/1938 at Wern Tarw Colliery. Paul A. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2mm Andy Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Whilst looking for the build date of Black Hawthorn Wellington I googled this page - http://www.tanfield-railway.co.uk/index.php?mact=LISETRLocomotives,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01item=wellington&cntnt01category=overhaul&cntnt01id_hierarchy=2&cntnt01template_category=hierarchy&cntnt01returnid=50 Can someone please identify the loco on the right. As someone else has mentioned, it's Irwell, a 'Coronation' class Hudswell Clarke; http://www.tanfield-railway.co.uk/index.php?mact=LISETRLocomotives,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01item=irwell&cntnt01category=overhaul&cntnt01id_hierarchy=2&cntnt01template_category=hierarchy&cntnt01returnid=50 Chris at High Level Kits does one in 4mm; http://173.254.28.51/~highlev3/chris/Pages/hudswellpage.html Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 The background buildings do appear to be NCB Wern Tarw, which was set in 'the wilds' behind Pencoed, . Brian R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 Thanks for the replies, everyone. 2mm Andy - I thought it may have been the Hudswell that is the subject of the High Level kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Respite Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Definitely Wern Tarw Colliery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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