RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2017 Hello have you seen model of class 47245 and 47 Intercity on display at NEC today ? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harris_John Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) Please enlighten us re:planned retool.Where do you source this information ? I was at the Bachmann returns stand yesterday at about 10:30. I stood near the front, and two of the guys in white Bachmann polo's were talking about a few things, including invites to the Bachmann Christmas dinner, and new releases. The one asked if anything exciting had been announced, to which he replied `not really', but he said that the main highlight was the GWR Mogul. It was a toss up between that and the Manor, but it was felt that there was more potential in the Mogul as it was a larger class size. I went to the Bachmann site once I got back in the evening, but could find no mention of it. I found this forum and followed this thread, but again couldn't find anything said, so I asked because perhaps I thought i'd missed an announcement that was made at the show early in the morning as I only arrived at about 10. Can anyone else confirm if anything was said, or any announcement was made of this kind early on? Edited November 26, 2017 by Harris_John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 If the crane has a massive price premium for DCC operation, I would hope there would be a cheaper option without for those of us who still only use DC... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 If the above post is anything to go by, it beggars belief that the company would choose production of a 43XX 2-6-0 over the 'Manor'. Class size seldom has anything to do with what modelers want. Half the class of Manors has been preserved, which speaks for their popularity and they are often what the public and enthusiasts see at heritage sites. Add to that their names and they all got lined green after 1956; two pluses that the 43XX's haven't got. However, I wonder if the choice is more about stumping someone elses wicket. I'll go have my dinner now while everyone tells me why the 43XX is the best choice.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) Re the crane and price forecasts, we don't yet know what the item's status will be ........ powered ( moves under its own power if the originals did that?) and powered lifting , slewing etc. or simply hand operated, It has to be considered it will not be a volume line when compared to locos, not everyone will have layouts that can sensibly accomodate one, so this will have to be a consideration built into the final price charged by Bachmann. Also worth noting other items which are not locos and have lower rates of sale tend to be expensive,, take for example the Fleischmann H0 Turntable at SRSP Euros 429 around £400. New and still fetching £300+ on S/H sites Edited November 26, 2017 by Stevelewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class37418stag Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Hello have you seen model of class 47245 and 47 Intercity on display at NEC today ? Thank you for photo of class 47 Mainline Intercity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebigshot Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I was at the Bachmann returns stand yesterday at about 10:30. I stood near the front, and two of the guys in white Bachmann polo's were talking about a few things, including invites to the Bachmann Christmas dinner, and new releases. The one asked if anything exciting had been announced, to which he replied `not really', but he said that the main highlight was the GWR Mogul. It was a toss up between that and the Manor, but it was felt that there was more potential in the Mogul as it was a larger class size. I went to the Bachmann site once I got back in the evening, but could find no mention of it. I found this forum and followed this thread, but again couldn't find anything said, so I asked because perhaps I thought i'd missed an announcement that was made at the show early in the morning as I only arrived at about 10. Can anyone else confirm if anything was said, or any announcement was made of this kind early on? Hi I must admit I would have both of them but I'd favour the 43xx purely as a good loco on my layout Thanks Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I was told thst the crane is manually powered. The hole in the rear of the cab is for the washout plug, that comes out as its got a magnet in it then a square shaped key with a knob goes in the hole and operates the jib. No mention of the slewing and it being motorised so I would assume its purely manual. But it was also mentioned that all the rigging is as per the prototype and no detail has been spared. Price wise "it wasnt going to be cheap" so I would guess around the £150 mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Is that the Warflat I noticed in the general photo of the display? No one has mentioned that I can see. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Er...Rails.My personal picks of the new release line up were the two Halls which rang the authentic bell,the H2....divine... and the teak Thompsons. All in all,although nothing immediately exciting was on hand,there was a touch of class about it..in short,quality. I am curious about how Bachmann will treat the Halls. I know nothing but it seems logical to assume that Bachmann Europe returned the Modified Hall with the missing fire-iron tunnel to China for correction, the cost then being bourne by China. If Bachmann Europe had started specifying more changes, then the cost would have been charged to Bachmann Europe. The result was that it appeared without features we have come to expect, such as a fall plate and provision for a speaker. I wonder if these models will be brought up to date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I was told thst the crane is manually powered. The hole in the rear of the cab is for the washout plug, that comes out as its got a magnet in it then a square shaped key with a knob goes in the hole and operates the jib. No mention of the slewing and it being motorised so I would assume its purely manual. But it was also mentioned that all the rigging is as per the prototype and no detail has been spared. Price wise "it wasnt going to be cheap" so I would guess around the £150 mark What a show-stopper it would be if it were motorised and controllable by DCC! How on earth, though, could the (evidently hypothetical) motor be set up to disengage from the hook raising and lowering gearing and engaged to jib raising and lowering and disengaged from that and engaged to slewing? All the same, I’m sure some enterprising modeller will buy a couple and set up a vignette of them lifting a derailed loco. A treat in store. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Is that the Warflat I noticed in the general photo of the display? No one has mentioned that I can see. Paul No pictures anywhere that I can see of the tank some of them are to carry. We can guess at the quality of a Bachmann wagon but the tank is very much of unknown quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froxfield2012 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Hi I must admit I would have both of them but I'd favour the 43xx purely as a good loco on my layout Thanks Alan I fear that nothing much will come of either Manor or 43XX. But I might suggest that the 43XX would be a better match with a steam crane based on the attached. I am sure I have the wrong kind of crane!! 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted November 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2017 Half the class of Manors has been preserved, which speaks for their popularity I beg to differ, it speaks for how long they lasted in Dai Woodhams yard. Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I beg to differ, it speaks for how long they lasted in Dai Woodhams yard. Mike. Dig in. There's always one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Class 90 looked nice Multi coloured swap shop TBH , there isn't much in the lounge except a better view of the display cases and a bottle of water . Could do with tea , coffee , nuts and maybe a roulette table More Ryanair than emirates at present 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted November 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2017 Where's this DCC operating crane idea come from? If it dose turn out to be DCC operational I would double the price to £400+! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
47164 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 The class 90 pantograph looks good, would be nice to see it extended,and assuming it is what will go into production,I would say Hornby take note! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted November 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2017 Dig in. There's always one. Nice U turn, you should be a politician! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted November 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2017 With the crane I would certainly have preferred it to be permanently in the down position without the operating gimmicks (which let’s face it are not going to be used for the majority) and in the process keep the price down. But it seems to be the way forward for Bachmann to go all out on the gimmicks in order to maintain as high a price point as possible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) Just had a proper shufty at Post #35 again and the Bachmann GWR 'Hall'. I see it is described as plain green livery. If lining is added on production models, then fine. If not, then plain green locos carried G W R at 3' 6" centres. Edited November 26, 2017 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
County of Yorkshire Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) Just had a proper shufty at Post #35 again and the Bachmann GWR 'Hall'. I see it is described as plain green livery. If lining is added on production models, then fine. If not, then plain green locos carried G W R at 3' 6" centres. Not the case i'm afraid Coach, see a thread discussing this very topic here and images on Steam Museum's images database here, here, here and here. A gratuitous image of my own handywork - a Hall in wartime black using Hornby's maroon monstrosity Olton Hall as a starting point - to illustrate: Cheers, CoY Edited November 26, 2017 by County of Yorkshire 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium it's-er Posted November 26, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 26, 2017 Is there a separate thread for the Bachmann crane? (If not, there probably should be.) There is - currently down at page 4 of the Bachmann thread on here! At http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/103522-45-ton-ransomes-crane/ John Storey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted November 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) By the look of the crane it's pretty much the same as the Hornby one. There seems to be a plug in knob to lift the jib/boom are what ever it's called Edited due this dam phones prodective text. I give up Edited November 26, 2017 by farren Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 What a show-stopper it would be if it were motorised and controllable by DCC! How on earth, though, could the (evidently hypothetical) motor be set up to disengage from the hook raising and lowering gearing and engaged to jib raising and lowering and disengaged from that and engaged to slewing? All the same, I’m sure some enterprising modeller will buy a couple and set up a vignette of them lifting a derailed loco. A treat in store. Didn't Roco produce an HO DCC controlled rail mounted crane? Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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