RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) Yet the latest issue of BRM (page 98) states "The injection-molded signals are faultless in their dimensions". An interesting choice of words if they are that oversized! They may be OK in their proportions. Dimensionally I still think that from their website they are at least 'O' gauge in size. Edited February 2, 2018 by TheSignalEngineer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Maybe BRM thought they were 7mm scale! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 55020 Posted February 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2, 2018 They may be OK in their proportions. Dimensionally I still think that from their website they are at least 'O' gauge in size. That occurred to me too, which is why I went on to say it was an "interesting choice of words" Perhaps it was simply an unfortunate choice of words in the hope the review wasn't too critical? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) The 3 light GPL in the current unipart catalogue is 410 mm high by 430 mm wide, I think other makes and vintages are very close to that. Hence in 4mm scale it would be 5.4 mm x 5.6 mm, in 7mm scale 9.4 mm x 9.9 mm. The best guess from the dimensions on DCC Concepts website for theirs is 7.7 mm x 8.1 mm. This makes the scale of the model 1:53.25, rather big for 4mm, a bit small for 7mm. Regards Edited February 3, 2018 by Grovenor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Wonder what size Train Techs will be as they about to release four kits; GK1 - Modern Red ground signal kit GK2 - Original Red ground signal kit GK3 - Modern Yellow ground signal kit GK4 - Original Yellow ground signal kit http://www.train-tech.com/index.php/signalling/regular-dc-signals and ready made DCC versions; GS1 Ground Position shunt Signal White & Red http://www.train-tech.com/index.php/signalling/dcc-signals/77-gs1-ground-position-shunt-signal-wr GS2 Ground Position shunt Signal White & Yellow http://www.train-tech.com/index.php/signalling/dcc-signals/78-gs2-ground-position-shunt-signal-wy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 3, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2018 Sad thing about the DCC concepts ones is they are fantastic value for money but such a shame for a scale model they are useless Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 3, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2018 Wonder what size Train Techs will be as they about to release four kits; GK1 - Modern Red ground signal kit GK2 - Original Red ground signal kit GK3 - Modern Yellow ground signal kit GK4 - Original Yellow ground signal kit http://www.train-tech.com/index.php/signalling/regular-dc-signals and ready made DCC versions; GS1 Ground Position shunt Signal White & Red http://www.train-tech.com/index.php/signalling/dcc-signals/77-gs1-ground-position-shunt-signal-wr GS2 Ground Position shunt Signal White & Yellow http://www.train-tech.com/index.php/signalling/dcc-signals/78-gs2-ground-position-shunt-signal-wy Can't find any dimensions but they do look like a position light ground signal from the picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroborus Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I've got some. I've installed a couple. I'll see if I can get a picture. They were a site easier to get up and running than the berko ones were 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroborus Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Here we go. Thats an Eckon signal with it and a Bachmann loco and figure for scale. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) The new LED shunt signals are somewhat bigger than their predecessors.. I'll try and take a side by side photo when i can get out next. Edited February 13, 2018 by LNERGE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 13, 2018 Wonder what size Train Techs will be as they about to release four kits; GK1 - Modern Red ground signal kit GK2 - Original Red ground signal kit GK3 - Modern Yellow ground signal kit GK4 - Original Yellow ground signal kit http://www.train-tech.com/index.php/signalling/regular-dc-signals and ready made DCC versions; GS1 Ground Position shunt Signal White & Red http://www.train-tech.com/index.php/signalling/dcc-signals/77-gs1-ground-position-shunt-signal-wr GS2 Ground Position shunt Signal White & Yellow http://www.train-tech.com/index.php/signalling/dcc-signals/78-gs2-ground-position-shunt-signal-wy Needing above a dozen of these, I shall be following the kits with interest if the price is reasonable. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 13, 2018 They do look too big, its higher than that blokes waist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynJPearson Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I couldn't get decent results from the Eckon "light tube" ground signals, suffering from poor light transmission and bleeding. It was a faff, but I pulled them apart and fitted SMD LEDs in instead and the results are far better. I got some of the Train Tech ground signals at Doncaster at the weekend, not played with them yet but one thing that might be of interest is that the GK1 / GK2 are actually the same thing now, it appears the signal can be used in either way (bottom right white always on, red / upper white for ON / OFF or two reds for ON, two whites for OFF). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 They do look too big, its higher than that blokes waist You can bury the base so that would drop it down quite a bit. They are too big but there are limits in 4mm scale especially if it is going to be commercially viable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted February 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 13, 2018 The new LED shunt signals are somewhat bigger than their predecessors.. I'll try and take a side by side photo when i can get out next. 20150614_142033.jpg Interesting "graffiti" there ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Interesting "graffiti" there ... The loc came from the ETN resignalling. It housed D2 TR so is probably ex Lakenheath IB section. The graffiti would have been applied at the Brandon recovered materials dump. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroborus Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I couldn't get decent results from the Eckon "light tube" ground signals, suffering from poor light transmission and bleeding. It was a faff, but I pulled them apart and fitted SMD LEDs in instead and the results are far better. I found this too - very dim. Prototypically, it was probably right, but just seemed disappointingly dim at 4mm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 13, 2018 I stood by a modern one at Bounds green this afternoon, came to about the top of my leg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 A general consensus amongst my colleagues.. If the new type signal was hollow the old type would fit in it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroborus Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) I connected and sunk some of these into the layout today. Certainly the light is lot more pleasing than the Eckon signal and a dam site easier to connect up. Each to their own, but i'm pretty happy with them. The men/loco are level with the front edge of the light. If you haven't got that massive point motor behind them they'd be even more impressive! Edited February 17, 2018 by Ouroborus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 They are a lot closer to scale size than those point motors anyway. Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 17, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17, 2018 Hmmm , they don't look too bad did it take much work to get them like that. They are still too big but that looks almost acceptable Mind a loco shouldn't be running in that direction to one that is in the off position Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroborus Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) Hmmm , they don't look too bad did it take much work to get them like that. They are still too big but that looks almost acceptable Mind a loco shouldn't be running in that direction to one that is in the off position No, they are very easy to connect up. You're supplied with a drill to cut through the baseboard. Take this drill and throw it away. If you use it, the hole remains that smidge too tight to force the connecting plug through. But force it you will and you'll mangle the plug so it doesn't connect to the board. I told dcc concepts what i'd done and they sent me some new plugs out foc. Obviously a longer 'run' between the signal and the board would need some new wire splicing in. The board takes a signal from the track and assigns each signal a cv number. You can reprogram them to suit. Thats about it, pretty much plug and play. Its laminate floor underlay on top of my baseboard - easy to chop out. Took about 30 minutes to solder the new plugs, recess the base and connect up for all 4 signals. I would also say that the long exposure on the camera (1.6s) makes the lights a little brighter than they are Edited February 17, 2018 by Ouroborus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted February 18, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18, 2018 I connected and sunk some of these into the layout today. Certainly the light is lot more pleasing than the Eckon signal and a dam site easier to connect up. Each to their own, but i'm pretty happy with them. The men/loco are level with the front edge of the light. If you haven't got that massive point motor behind them they'd be even more impressive! Are they red and white or red and yellow? They look very yellow in your photo, same as the markers on the Ped Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroborus Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Are they red and white or red and yellow? They look very yellow in your photo, same as the markers on the Ped Andi Very definitely yellow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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