RMweb Gold Andy W Posted April 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 10, 2018 Interesting that you say Tyseley was a blackspot as it was one of the few locations for wheel-turning in middle-England and was always attracting 'foreign' locos - I remember my older brother coming home from school (conveniently opposite the running shed) and dragging me back over there to see a Clan which had arrived for just that reason. Another time a Great Central Brit was returned by way of the local New Street-Rugby local! Puzzled as to why Tyseley would try to get a loco back onto the GC section via New Street-Rugby, when there was never any physical connection at Rugby onto the GC. The logical way would be to send it to Banbury, from where it could go either to Woodford Halse or via the GW/GC joint to Neasden, both GC sheds. It is possible that the loco was sent across Birmingham to Saltley expecting it to be returned to the GC section somewhere in the Nottingham/Sheffield area, where several connections existed, but was then "borrowed". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
County of Yorkshire Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Dare I say... Bump? Been a long while since we've heard a peep about these. CoY Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted April 27, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 27, 2018 Dare I say... Bump? Been a long while since we've heard a peep about these. CoY One of the guys on Dapol Digest said an updated CAD was nearly complete five weeks ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7007GreatWestern Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 One thing the Large Prairie and Mogul have in common is the use of struts from the smokebox saddle to the front buffer beam. Both Heljan (47xx) and Hornby (42xx/5205/72xx) elected to model them as metal components attached to a plastic running plate. Both have experienced difficulties as a result keeping the forward running plate straight and level. I sincerely hope Dapol will use their 'nouse' and learn from their competitors' mistakes. Two approaches seem to have worked. The Bachmann 45xx/4575 also use metal struts.....but then they also use a diecast running plate and as a result there are no problems. Hornby elected to use plastic struts on the 28xx/2884 on a plastic running plate. That combination seems to have worked reasonably well too, the additional benefit of plastic struts being that they can be made much finer. I have high hopes of the forthcoming Dapol models. Their intelligent, receptive response to the criticisms of the initial CADs is in stark contrast to the attitudes of some of their competitors. Time and the second batch of CADs will show if my hopes are justified! Andy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted April 28, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 28, 2018 One thing the Large Prairie and Mogul have in common is the use of struts from the smokebox saddle to the front buffer beam. Both Heljan (47xx) and Hornby (42xx/5205/72xx) elected to model them as metal components attached to a plastic running plate. Both have experienced difficulties as a result keeping the forward running plate straight and level. I sincerely hope Dapol will use their 'nouse' and learn from their competitors' mistakes. Two approaches seem to have worked. The Bachmann 45xx/4575 also use metal struts.....but then they also use a diecast running plate and as a result there are no problems. Hornby elected to use plastic struts on the 28xx/2884 on a plastic running plate. That combination seems to have worked reasonably well too, the additional benefit of plastic struts being that they can be made much finer. I have high hopes of the forthcoming Dapol models. Their intelligent, receptive response to the criticisms of the initial CADs is in stark contrast to the attitudes of some of their competitors. Time and the second batch of CADs will show if my hopes are justified! Andy. It's how we word our concerns. If you charge in with critism, then then it's a short path to indifference between client & producer. If however, we make 'observations', with recommendations & solutions, we stand a good chance of 'right first time'. It's probably costs far less to make a good model, than a bad model, if you follow my drift. However, you're quite right when you point out that some producers would have an easier ride when they listen. Cheers, Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 One thing the Large Prairie and Mogul have in common is the use of struts from the smokebox saddle to the front buffer beam. Both Heljan (47xx) and Hornby (42xx/5205/72xx) elected to model them as metal components attached to a plastic running plate. Both have experienced difficulties as a result keeping the forward running plate straight and level. I sincerely hope Dapol will use their 'nouse' and learn from their competitors' mistakes. Two approaches seem to have worked. The Bachmann 45xx/4575 also use metal struts.....but then they also use a diecast running plate and as a result there are no problems. Hornby elected to use plastic struts on the 28xx/2884 on a plastic running plate. That combination seems to have worked reasonably well too, the additional benefit of plastic struts being that they can be made much finer. My suspicion is what the struts are made of is irrelevant, on the model they will be decorative and both metal and plastic can easily be done in the scale dimensions necessary although metal can go much thinner than practical for plastic. Far more important will be the hidden portion of the design of the running plate and whether it properly keeps the entire running plate rigid or not. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted April 29, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 29, 2018 it is possible that frame distortion on Hornby 42xx/5205/72xx is a result of the metal struts (in reality intended to strengthen the front buffer beam which was likely to take a few minor impacts occasionally and had proved not up to the tase on 43xx) is caused by expansion and contraction of the strut. I have had no trouble with 4287, which lives permanently in the living area of the flat on a bedroom layout and does not suffer extremes of temperature like it would on an attic, cellar, or garden shed layout. Perhaps Swindon should have beefed up the construction of their front ends, but on some loco would have had an eye on overall weight; in any case they never did. A weak prototypical front assembly correctly modelled will lead to a weak model version; mdvie's comment is highly relevant. My opinion is that plastic struts are best on plastic models, but the frame needs to support the plastic footplate, rather flimsy on a GW loco, adequately and firmly. This probably cannot be done with a plastic frame of scale appearance. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium NCB Posted May 7, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 7, 2018 My suspicion is what the struts are made of is irrelevant, on the model they will be decorative and both metal and plastic can easily be done in the scale dimensions necessary although metal can go much thinner than practical for plastic. Far more important will be the hidden portion of the design of the running plate and whether it properly keeps the entire running plate rigid or not. Think you're right. Thinking back to past models, from Mainline onwards, a sloping footplate wasn't unusual, even with plastic struts, and I suspect resulted from a weakness in the design of the footplate. Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Any news on these yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted May 12, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 12, 2018 Think you're right. Thinking back to past models, from Mainline onwards, a sloping footplate wasn't unusual, even with plastic struts, and I suspect resulted from a weakness in the design of the footplate. Nigel It is of course a problem that many real-life locos experienced as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Nearly 7 months now since these were announced wonder how they are progressing? Regards Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 I would expect to see a liveried sample at Warley if they are to meet their target release date Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Looking forward to seeing these two models and the re-released Western. If they are as good as the LSWR B4 we have a lot to look forward too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7007GreatWestern Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 New CADs of the Churchward Mogul have appeared on Dapol Digest in the last week:- 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 New CADs of the Churchward Mogul have appeared on Dapol Digest in the last week:- Useful and thanks for posting update. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted July 18, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) That’s a lot of individual pieces to make the firebox fittings/drivers controls, including the plate above the firebox door... anyone make a drivers Tea can in OO ? Edited July 18, 2018 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted July 18, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 18, 2018 That’s a lot of individual pieces to make the firebox fittings/drivers controls, including the plate above the firebox door... anyone make a drivers Tea can in OO ? For that matter, I'd like to see tea sloshing about on the fireman's tea bottle. No sugar:-I'm on a diet.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbb Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 For that matter, I'd like to see tea sloshing about on the fireman's tea bottle. No sugar:-I'm on a diet.... HEY! Lets go the whole hog... crew with cigarettes actually smoking! Whilst holding a shovel with scale bagon and eggs on it of course... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Welchester Posted July 19, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 19, 2018 HEY! Lets go the whole hog... crew with cigarettes actually smoking! Whilst holding a shovel with scale bagon and eggs on it of course... Or using the shovel for its alternative purpose, rather after the manner of a caganer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caganer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Or using the shovel for its alternative purpose, rather after the manner of a caganer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caganer Sounds like an item for Noch to attempt... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 If all people want is a smoking driver and a crapping fireman, it is good to know we don't have to worry about rivets in the wrong place... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted July 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 19, 2018 If all people want is a smoking driver and a crapping fireman, it is good to know we don't have to worry about rivets in the wrong place... For gawd's sake Larry, don't mention the rivets....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted July 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 19, 2018 Dapol have told that TTS will be going on the new mogul & Prairie. TTS... Tea, Toast & Sandwiches.... Sound... The clanking of false teeth, and the slurping of weak tea.... Yeuch! Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Dapol have told that TTS will be going on the new mogul & Prairie. TTS... Tea, Toast & Sandwiches.... Sound... The clanking of false teeth, and the slurping of weak tea.... Yeuch! Ian. I thought it was the Mk1 O gauge coaches TTS Turgid Turd Sluice for an authentic 4 foot experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 If we are still at gawdy CAD stage that means no EP shortly, which means no livery sample at Warley which probably puts 1Q19 out of the window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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